I have a theory: we should always do running shield grab instead of running grab

[Charoo]

I was discussing about other stuff but this just kinda came into my head.

Running shield grab SHOULD be fast than running grab

base on ankoku's frame date, if it's correct 100% (no offense but this is the only way for this theory to be correct).

Sheik's running shield grab takes 1 frame less than running grab and have 9 frame less lag at the end too.

my reasoning is:

running shield grab
1.Shield
ACTION: 2
2.Standing Grab
ACTION: 6
END: 30

TOTAL ACTION: 6

running grab
Running Grab
ACTION: 9
END: 46 <39>

so base on that, running shield grab is faster in every situation. Now, I don't fully know if adding up frame like this is correct (might be some outside force or something). This also rely on you shielding before getting to the grab range or else it will take longer since you barely activated ur shield.

Running grab is easier to get that 9 frame grab because you push grab and eventually sheik will slide to grab them. So with the running shield grab, you need to run then shield (which causes u to slide) then grab.

Just something interesting I guess. Can any1 give me the actual information of this? Thanks.

 

[Zankoku]

You're correct, it's essentially the "replacement" to Melee's JC grab. However running grab this time has significantly more range due to Sheik's sliding forward.

 

[Blistering Speed]

I did this often out of a DDD CG habit, but now I'll make sure to always do it. Thanks

 

[popsofctown]

so, short distances = shield grab, long distances = running grab?

 

[Zankoku]

More like mid distances running grab... at short distances just do a walking grab, it's 6 frames lol.
At long distances run up and shieldgrab if you absolutely must do a grab from that far away, because at least then if you whiff the grab you can get your shield back up 10 frames sooner.

 

[KRDsonic]

I always do running shield grabs out of habbit because I'm used to using Ice Climbers, and you can't exactly get off a grab against someone good with a dash grab.

 

[Exia 00]

Its pretty good. Since i was practicing perfect sheilding and dashing sheild grab at the same time, I got into the habit. Its obvioulsy a lot safer.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

nahhh pivot grab is much sexier - silly kids.

 

[Charoo]

nahhh pivot grab is much sexier - silly kids.

pivot grab is sexier if you know they gonna air dodge their landing haha. Fox's pivot grab is in another level of it's own though. So freaking good.

 

[Exia 00]

nahhh pivot grab is much sexier - silly kids.

Sexiness > safety D=

 

[Gimpyfish62]

DUHHHHHH

that's sheik 101 right there.

 

[KevinM]

That's smash 101.

 

[-Mars-]

I love doing a dthrow, waiting for their airdodge and then pivot grabbing them.

 

[choknater]

i like doing ftilts to usmash on fox duh

 

[Blistering Speed]

Hey Gimpy, why in that set against Fox did you not F Tilt lock to U Smash at all? There was one time where it was guarenteed and after about four, you jab to grabbed him.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

it was a friendly lol

 

[Blistering Speed]

Ah I see, very nice of you, my friends get no sympathy from me.

...Lulz

 

[The Great Leon]

champ too good

 

[the_judge]

I do this with almost all chars.
I really miss JC grab though.