I firmly believe Game and Watch is the best.

[Doval]

Doval, you're both stupid, and you selectively read when trying to prove your point.

When you say: a char needs good matchups to be good, and someone says, he has good matchups, and even in the ones that don't advantage him, he still can win easily, they are proving you wrong. But intead of bowing out, you take the last part of his statement out of context.

PHAIL

No u. I'm not going to dignify you with a better response than that.

Just so I'm actually contributing to the thread with this reply...

If you hold the shield too long against the B-air, he can then hit you with other attacks because the B-air destroys your shield.

It's possible to prevent your shield from being ***** by b-air simply by doing a standing dodge in between the hits. It's not hard. Multi-hit attacks got nerfed in Brawl in that sense - in Melee, you wouldn't get a chance to do anything until the attack ended. Most people just haven't realized it yet. The only multi-hit move I've found which you can't sidestep while shielding is Yoshi's d-air.

 

[Needle of Juntah]

sry but GW isnt that good

 

[Sw0rd]

G&W is ok, I'd say low high tier, or the tier below that. I think G&W rules, but he has a lack of advance techs. I mean he has some, but not as many as other characters.

 

[Wayland]

Advance techs are not the same as good. In Melee, shiek was not an advance tech charachter. She was white bread when it comes to advance techs. She had a trick or two with up-b stalling IIRC, but other than that, nothing. However, she was mighty.

Ness, on the other hand, had intense techniques coming out of every orifice. He was buttery corn bread with jalapeños when it came to advance techs. All the stuff with PKthunder, and yoyoglitch, and DJC, it was prepostrous. However, low tier.

Advance techs do not a good charachter make.

 

[Conda]

Link is low/mid tier in Brawl, and even he has tonnes of advanced stuff.

GW has techchasing, which is always great (it's what makes Ganon half useful).

 

[rabbt]

sry but GW isnt that good

Dude, look how many posts you have. Don't try to come here and tell us stuff. You need to be around for a while before we'll consider listening to you!

 

[Conda]

Dude, look how many posts you have. Don't try to come here and tell us stuff. You need to be around for a while before we'll consider listening to you!

diaf

Juntah was just kidding anyways.

 

[St. Viers]

lol NoJ could wipe the floor with you, as seeing as he's one of the best G&Ws currently, if not the best.

@Doval: if you standing dodge, you'll get hit as the dodge ends, before you can dodge again. It *is* possible to power shield the first hit, then dodge, but in the few times I've seen that happen, I've been able to land &punish the dodge.

 

[Doval]

@Doval: if you standing dodge, you'll get hit as the dodge ends, before you can dodge again. It *is* possible to power shield the first hit, then dodge, but in the few times I've seen that happen, I've been able to land &punish the dodge.

I'm not sure if you're understanding me...I don't mean dodge before it even hits. I mean shield it, and dodge between the multiple hits.

 

[St. Viers]

yeah, I get that, I'm saying it lasts long enough that one of the last hits (maybe the strong one) will connect...I'm pretty sure.

But meh, it's still a great pressure attack, as it has almost no landing lag if you hit their shield w/o fast falling ^_^

 

[Doval]

Ok, just checking that we're clear. But in any case, if you don't dodge immediately and shield a couple of hits first, you can avoid about half of them, which is still good enough for conserving shield. Still a great pressure attack like you said, though.

 

[Zero_Gamer]

Game and Watch is a great character and his greatest attack is, by far, Bair. He has high priority, long ranged and disjointed hitboxes, and excellent recovery. I'm so glad that he is a feather-weight, otherwise I'd be in for some trouble...

 

[Rawrness]

Game and Watch = Top-high tier

 

[Conda]

Game and Watch = High-top tier

Quoted for truth.

 

[rabbt]

diaf

Juntah was just kidding anyways.

you diaf

I was too (obviously)

 

[Sw0rd]

I'm Sorry. I didn't mean advance techs make a good character, I was just saying that advance techs help.
(I guess I didn't say it right)

I just don't see G&W being on the top. But he deserves to be high tier.

And just to point out, Fox's shine techs made him really good in melee.
D3's chain grab, snake's mortar slide, they help.