I Don't Know What to Do

[Crystanium]

So, it's been some time since I brawled with a friend of mine online. What's sad is that since yesterday, I've been losing against him. I only won one match. I was Samus, and I lost against his Captain Falcon twice, and his Diddy Kong once. I ended up playing as Donkey Kong and KO'ing his Bowser four times, while I still had three stocks left. Tonight, I decided I'd brawl with him again. I get his Falco down to one stock left, even though it should have been my match. Then, he played as Toon Link and was just messing me up badly. So, I just quit that match and told him that I was angry. So, we start again, and he's Zelda. I lose. He then plays as Wolf, and I win once. We go another round, and I lose. Then, he plays as Diddy Kong and I beat his Diddy Kong. So, the next round, I choose Donkey Kong and beat his Diddy Kong.

So, here's how it is. With the two days total between him and I, he has beaten me six times, and I have only beaten him four times. The thing is, I am not happy with how I am playing. I never minded the Samus versus Toon Link match, since I ended that one with No Contest. It's like every time I play as Samus, he knows what I am going to do, and he power shields it, only to punish me. I'm thinking, What the heck is going on? Why do I suck all of a sudden? I know, I've complained about my losses in the past, but seriously, I am tired of losing, and I am tired of winning matches against people who aren't as skilled as I am. I don't care about that. All I care about is winning, and if I don't win, I am not happy. I don't care what anyone thinks or says about that.

I could say, "Oh, well, it's online anyway, so who cares?" Ugh! I just don't know how to play skillfully. If I go in with confidence, and if I lose, then that confidence goes away. I could try to be fine about losing, saying, "Oh, well I lost, but that's fine! I learn from my losses." Yeah, right. That's an unrealistic look of things. I'm just not doing good enough. I don't know how my friend could all of a sudden know what on earth I am going to do, especially since it was yesterday that I started fighting against him. And yes, I will blame online for it's stupid unreal-time. Gosh! Did I just end up in a cave and everyone else got better than me? This is killing me!

 

[MRS1]

My roommate and training partner plays toon link sometimes, though mostly he plays ganondorf. either way he loves to powersheild my projectiles. I was just getting very mad at not being able to beat him the other day. Then I watched some Samus videos on this site, like the samus/rob match in the "Best of" section, and got a little energized.

Then I just calmed down and thought about my play style, and was able to break some bad habits he was predicting and even out the matches a little.


A good strategy agaisnt power shielding I do is to missle cancel power missles a lot but then mix it up with some homings so he doesnt expect the timing. Also throw in some zairs and dash grabs. If you're careful, youll eventually catch him, or deplete his shield when he just shields instead of power shielding.

A good strategy agaisnt power shielding/ spot dodging is to fair with good spacing, so if he spot dodges, youll still catch him, but if he shields, youll be DI'ing out of grab range.


The best thing to do is just calm down, assess the situation, and be ok with making a little headwork each match until your winning again.

 

[Z1GMA]

Use Samus's attacks that can't be easily countered even though your opponent knows about them!

Samus opponent says:
- Zair + Homers is hard to deal with even if you know they're coming!

 

[Zaker_ZM]

- You know, your friend probably had the same problem against you.
- He too got advice on how to beat your mains with his mains.
- And he worked on using his new strategy against you, while you were in the cave.
- Once he was ready he pwn'd you, no offence of course.
- But now your seeking advice on how to counter-strike his strategy with a strategy of your own.
- And if you can lure him to a cave for 2-3 days you'll have time to practice.
- Hopefully you'll pwn him again, no offence again

I can guess you lost as samus because, in brawl samus has become majorly slow eg. tilt up A takes ages to pull off now.
And you can pretty much guess what moves samus would do depending on where she is on the ground or air etc.

 

[Throwback]

well for a start 6-4 is pretty even.

You are probably ready to take the next step with your game - figure out what you do that is predictable, then figure out how to mix that up, eg missile mix-up, switching from defensive to agressive, throw in some aerial approaches etc. Also watch your opponent - what are his usual chains and what can you do to punish it? When is he vulnerable?

I know these things sound pretty obvious, but actually applying them is very difficult.

edit: it seems obvious that your friend has improved since you last played him. Accept it and improve yourself.

 

[Julz]

I Don't Know What to Do

Main Donkey Kong?

 

[VirisKnite]

Yeah, man I kinda know how you feel, I lose against everyone. I mean I have 20 vids up and I only win 2 of them. And I have another 20, in which i get three stocked by an IKE! probably more than once. I mean seriously who gets three stocked by an ike, samus rips ike apart, there's no excuse for me. So yeah I suck.

But I really like your outlook on things. Just saying your gonna learn from your losses (kinda what I do) doesn't give any actual motivation to improve. The fact that your getting angered and frustrated, I think is great motivation to reach higher levels of gameplay.

Speaking of which we still gotta play some matches, hopefully we can help each other improve. At least I'll help boost your confidence a little by being a punching bag X). But I guess that won't do much either.

 

[Crystanium]

Main Donkey Kong?

Bleh. Then he'll learn how to fight against my Donkey Kong. Sorry, but Samus has been my main character ever since the N64 days. I can't just drop her like that. I wish I could record our matches so I could see what he's doing and then learn from there. I also hate the fact that he'll have like one stock left and then he'll make a comeback and defeat me.

 

[Orichalcum]

Dont lose your head mate. I often got bad days too and often feel the same, take a break off it and cool down. When im angry i just give it a rest and chill and do something else, if i force myself to win i usually get crappier and wont win. Take a break and do something you like watch a movie hang out with friends play someone else or whatever. Play him again another day when your more calm and concentrated and you might perform better.

And if he is too good then just accept it, find a way, improve (i dont wanna say your bad or wanna flame you in any way honestly).
Also i think theres you are an eager person and theres some competition, maybe rivalism between you and your friend and you play him differently and get angrier, im not sure but it is like that for me sometimes. keep your calm and concentrate

 

[Julz]

It's like every time I play as Samus, he knows what I am going to do, and he power shields it, only to punish me.

Rock>Scissors>Paper>Rock...

Shield>Attack>Grab>Shield...

Dash grabs and pivot grabs for when you know he's gonna powershield. Fastfall Zair into Dash grab works at low percents.

Bleh. Then he'll learn how to fight against my Donkey Kong. Sorry, but Samus has been my main character ever since the N64 days. I can't just drop her like that. I wish I could record our matches so I could see what he's doing and then learn from there. I also hate the fact that he'll have like one stock left and then he'll make a comeback and defeat me.

You could main both.

When he learns how to fight against your DK then you can learn how to fight back. DK's learning curve isn't as steep meaning it should take less time for you to find and master counter measures than you would with Samus.

It's easy to make come backs against Samus since she has a hard time killing.

Lastly, your friend seems to have a lot of mains meaning it'll take longer for you to get used to fighting him.

 

[Koji123]

Strength is in the mind. And the mind is a battle against oneself. Unless you win against yourself you'll never defeat your enemy.

 

[Crystanium]

Lastly, your friend seems to have a lot of mains meaning it'll take longer for you to get used to fighting him.

Ain't that the truth! He seems to play the entire roster, except for Lucario. When I was brawling with some other guy who played as only Bowser and King DeDeDe, it was easier to pick up on what he was doing. I think my friend does that on purpose. I'll play as Samus most of the time, and he'll play one character maybe two or three times. Then he'll choose another character. It's not easy keeping track. I swear, I need GameBridge or something to record with so I can see what I am doing wrong.

 

[Crystanium]

Strength is in the mind. And the mind is a battle against oneself. Unless you win against yourself you'll never defeat your enemy.

Very deep.

 

[Koji123]

Heh, thanks. What I mean is if you believe that you can't beat him then you wont. Chin up and get in there!

 

[n00b]

Watch this tutorial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k1UgOxBytc&fmt=18

 

[VirisKnite]

^ greatest tutorial evar. Insert pic of win below.

 

[neon..?]

go mk.. but really its only online.

 

[Crystanium]

Watch this tutorial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k1UgOxBytc&fmt=18

Thanks, n00b. I needed that. When I first clicked the link, I thought you were joking, because it was Bruce Lee, not some person who was going to talk about how to do better at Brawl. So yeah. I liked what Bruce Lee said.

 

[Crystanium]

go mk.. but really its only online.

I know it's online. Online is terrible compared to real-time offline gameplay, which I have been telling a lot of people lately. It's not that I never won before against his Captain Falcon. It's just that when I come at my friend, I have a fear of losing, because there was that one time where I lost a lot against him, only winning two matches out of like, maybe ten to twelve matches.

 

[Rohins]

If you want to win wifi matches: spam, camp, and roll. Wifi's dumb and dumb things work. Abuse that he can't shield/airdodge, abuse that he can't punish your roll. That's the extent of Samus on wifi. Lag prevents intricate movement or reacting to your opponents movements.

If you want to improve for tournaments, play with people in-person and study what is working vs you and try to overcome it. Work on studying your opponent and reading their patterns. Punish what they do.


Final note, if your friend is beating you he's doing you a favor. He's showing you your weaknesses. If you can record those matches (even if they are garbage wifi) take notes on what is beating you.

 

[Hive]

drink a lot before the game so your mind is laggy like the wifi, then its like its not even slow!
Oh, and make sure to kill him more times than he kills you. thats KEY lol

 

[n00b]

YOU PUT WATAH IN A CUP, IT BECOMES THE CUp

 

[Z1GMA]

PRESSURE!! PRESSURE!! PRESSURE!!

Playing Samus is like playing "Star craft" to me.
Samus is your base and the opposing character is the other base!

Keep the pressure on your opponent! send units after units.
(Always try to have a homer in the air whenever you get the slightest nick of time..)

And while assaulting you should not forget to build units.
(charge shots)

Put in your special forces at the right time to eleminate your opponent!
(Utilt, Charge shot, bair, dair.)

I laugh at my self, cause I really DO think similar as when playing star craft..

 

[Orichalcum]

Put samus into the power suit, she becomes the power suit
Shoot a missile become the missile!
Be samus my friend

 

[Crystanium]

So, we went a few rounds today. Online is broken. I spot-dodged his Falcon Punch three times, once in a different match, and the other two in another match. I get hit anyway. Well, I got in my wins today. I started using my Screw Attack a lot more, since I noticed that he likes to use his first jump, and then jumps another one so that I'll fire my Charge Shot, thinking that he'll land after his first jump. I used my Screw Attack whenever he came down. It's a nice anti-aerial attack. Well, after getting Falcon Punch'd in the face twice on Final Destination, and him having two stocks while I lost, I said, "I am tired of losing!" So, what we did was headed back to Final Destination. I got him down to one stock left, and he KO'd me. So I had two stocks left, and he taunted, "Time for a comeback." I said, "No, that's not happening." I two-stocked his Falcon.

 

[n00b]

gj you 2stocked bottom tier lahhh~~

 

[0RLY]

Wifi is meant for friendlies, not "play2win". Don't worry too much if you lose. If I ever lose too much, I'll start to use Falcon. There's no shame for losing with Falcon since he's bottom tier. However, winning with Falcon puts much shame on your foe.

 

[ADHD]

Don't forget to pivot grab it's a great mindgame

 

[Z1GMA]

There's no shame for losing with Falcon since he's bottom tier. However, winning with Falcon puts much shame on your foe.

can't agree more!

Falcon losses FTW

 

[n00b]

Don't forget to pivot grab it's a great mindgame

are you mocking me

 

[Crystanium]

Well, 0RLy, my friend was aware that Captain Falcon wasn't that great, even though he thinks that TR4Q. So, he said he'd try to make Captain Falcon better and started to play as him. So, it's not like he's saying, "Hey, I'll just choose Falcon and not care if I win or lose," nor is it like he doesn't play as Falcon.