I am really not excited for this game any more - possible spoilers

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I personally enjoyed World of Light. I enjoyed all the battles against the spirits, and some battles felt like I was actually fighting the spirit instead of the puppet fighter. My one issue with the game is that there wasn't a lot of cut scenes this time around. They would have been so good.

SubSpace was amazing. The cinematic cutscenes looked awesome for the time, and it told a story, but a good chunk of the game play felt a lot like those Race to the Finish modes, and I hated them, but the battles and cutscenes made up for it.

Smash Melee's Adventure Mode was boring at best in my opinion. Yeah, I know, I trashed Smash Melee. Burn me at the stake already. Seriously, that mode combined both of my least favorite parts about SubSpace and World of Light. Lack of cinematic cutscenes, and Race to the Finish type maps.

However, none of these compare to how horrible the adventure mode was in Smash 4. It was so bad that I lack words to describe it.
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For me everything besides Smash-Mode and Online Mode is an extra. I would have bought the game even with just this two modes because that’s what you will play in the long run. I had fun with WoL and collecting all spirits. But again: the only thing that matters to me and the whole scene are probably Local Smash and online smash.
 
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But SSE was just an improved version of Melee's Adventure mode... :confused:
I think that Melee's adventure mode was more fun, because it was short and arcade-ish... I really played it multiple times with different characters for fun, it was a great mode... on the other hand, I never replayed SSE after I finished it.

Adventure Mode (Melee), the character specific target/platform challenges and Smash Run (3DS) are IMO the best modes so far, and in order to expand the adventure mode they should do many short adventure modes basd on a specific theme, instead of making just one but many hours long.
Cutscenes with character interaction are welcome (as long as you can skip them), but what counts the most is the replay value (something that I think SSE doens't have).

Also, I didn't like that most of the environments in SSE were generic, and the Halberd was the only not generic environment only because it was a big veichle.
Melee's adventure mode had the Mushroom Kingdom, Planet Zebes, a generic Zelda Dungeon (that was still Zelda themed, with iconic enemies and triforces), etc. I'd like more of that, I don't like this new direction (started with Brawl) of making everything "reminiscent of" but still generic, this should be a crossover game.
EDIT: I'd be ok if they cut more than half of the roster in order to add content like that (that obviously requires effort).
 
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Not being able to see your character is attrocious. It's offensive. How can someone enjoy a game when they can't effing see their chatacyer. Gimi a break. When the mods come along they'll show these so called game devs how to actually make a a game work properly.


You disagree that character visibility is important?
I don’t disagree that character visibility is important but compared to other Smash games I don’t have any more problem finding my character in free for alls. Plus there are plenty of stages with literally nothing going on in the background that you can pick. Idk I honestly think the brightness and contrast settings on my TV take care of any of that just fine (which I haven’t touched) and I haven’t even had the problem nor do I know anyone who has. The game is faster and there’s more going on on the screen than in Brawl or Smash 4 but I’ve literally never had or heard about this issue until this thread

The game isn’t perfect but it’s damn near close and now that it’s two months in I can say that without “new game” bias. You literally didn’t wanna like the game before it came out, of course you’ll find every little insignificant flaw with it (and I don’t think character visibility is insignificant but outside of this thread I haven’t even heard anyone talk about it). The online could use improvement but it’s a fighting game made by Nintendo and I’ll take what I can get from it. Honestly for the most part the online has filled every need I have, sure I’d like more features but as long as I can play the game online and it doesn’t lag horrendously (I only get noticeable lag 1 out of every 30 or 40 matches) I’m cool

You can response to this but I really have nothing else to say. If you don’t see a ton more good than bad in this game you’re not viewing it objectively and you wouldn’t have been happy with whatever game came out

Listen, I don't blame anyone if they wren't excited about WoL. After playing it through, I found it to be.....bland, at best.
It’s a fighting game!! Nobody plays for the single player. Nobody buys the game for the single player. WoL was above and beyond what they needed to do for a single player experience in a fighting game. I’d much rather them spend development time on balancing the characters and multiplayer. They don’t have an unlimited amount of time and obviously their focus went into multiplayer which we should all be very thankful for

**** I would’ve been happy with just classic mode tbh
 
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I think that Melee's adventure mode was more fun, because it was short and arcade-ish... I really played it multiple times with different characters for fun, it was a great mode... on the other hand, I never replayed SSE after I finished it.
Yeah, but that's null because SSE is like playing Adventure mode like what: 25 times?

I do agree with the rest of your post though; they were scared to make actual Nintendo-themed areas in WoL & SS, whereas Melee's Adventure nailed that.
 

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I don’t disagree that character visibility is important but compared to other Smash games I don’t have any more problem finding my character in free for alls. Plus there are plenty of stages with literally nothing going on in the background that you can pick. Idk I honestly think the brightness and contrast settings on my TV take care of any of that just fine (which I haven’t touched) and I haven’t even had the problem nor do I know anyone who has. The game is faster and there’s more going on on the screen than in Brawl or Smash 4 but I’ve literally never had or heard about this issue until this thread

The game isn’t perfect but it’s damn near close and now that it’s two months in I can say that without “new game” bias. You literally didn’t wanna like the game before it came out, of course you’ll find every little insignificant flaw with it (and I don’t think character visibility is insignificant but outside of this thread I haven’t even heard anyone talk about it). The online could use improvement but it’s a fighting game made by Nintendo and I’ll take what I can get from it. Honestly for the most part the online has filled every need I have, sure I’d like more features but as long as I can play the game online and it doesn’t lag horrendously (I only get noticeable lag 1 out of every 30 or 40 matches) I’m cool

You can response to this but I really have nothing else to say. If you don’t see a ton more good than bad in this game you’re not viewing it objectively and you wouldn’t have been happy with whatever game came out


It’s a fighting game!! Nobody plays for the single player. Nobody buys the game for the single player. WoL was above and beyond what they needed to do for a single player experience in a fighting game. I’d much rather them spend development time on balancing the characters and multiplayer. They don’t have an unlimited amount of time and obviously their focus went into multiplayer which we should all be very thankful for

**** I would’ve been happy with just classic mode tbh
I love to see all the complants if sakurai cut a few of ultimates characters so he could make a ss2
 
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I don’t disagree that character visibility is important but compared to other Smash games I don’t have any more problem finding my character in free for alls. Plus there are plenty of stages with literally nothing going on in the background that you can pick. Idk I honestly think the brightness and contrast settings on my TV take care of any of that just fine (which I haven’t touched) and I haven’t even had the problem nor do I know anyone who has. The game is faster and there’s more going on on the screen than in Brawl or Smash 4 but I’ve literally never had or heard about this issue until this thread

The game isn’t perfect but it’s damn near close and now that it’s two months in I can say that without “new game” bias. You literally didn’t wanna like the game before it came out, of course you’ll find every little insignificant flaw with it (and I don’t think character visibility is insignificant but outside of this thread I haven’t even heard anyone talk about it). The online could use improvement but it’s a fighting game made by Nintendo and I’ll take what I can get from it. Honestly for the most part the online has filled every need I have, sure I’d like more features but as long as I can play the game online and it doesn’t lag horrendously (I only get noticeable lag 1 out of every 30 or 40 matches) I’m cool

You can response to this but I really have nothing else to say. If you don’t see a ton more good than bad in this game you’re not viewing it objectively and you wouldn’t have been happy with whatever game came out


It’s a fighting game!! Nobody plays for the single player. Nobody buys the game for the single player. WoL was above and beyond what they needed to do for a single player experience in a fighting game. I’d much rather them spend development time on balancing the characters and multiplayer. They don’t have an unlimited amount of time and obviously their focus went into multiplayer which we should all be very thankful for

**** I would’ve been happy with just classic mode tbh
I'd literally never seen anyone bringing up complaints about the visuals while playing the game until now, and all of what was just written seems like petty nitpicks. I've played this game every weekend with my brothers and cousin up to 4 or 5 players, and aside from huge stages like Great Cave Offensive, no one has had any complaints about having difficulty keeping track of their characters. I've played in portable mode and in tabletop mode with friends where its harder to see, yet most people are fine with it. No one has had any problem with the smoke effects, and I actually forget that's a thing until someone mentions it. The issue with the detailed backgrounds are... silly. Smash has had beautiful backgrounds since Melee and that has never affected gameplay whatsoever. To be fair, my last medical exam shows that I have very good eyesight which is why I haven't problems keeping track of the action.

I think he is still spiteful at the devs about the roster and holds a grudge against the community for his previous attempt at discussing game design where he fell flat on his face. Funny how he also adds a "case closed" comment as if what he said was unarguable.
 
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I won't complain about visuals when as much as I like Melee, there are some stages and moments when the characters are just behind the percentages and you can't see anything.
This problem was addressed in the subsequent games and it happens a lot less than in Melee did (and if I remember well, the percentage and character icon now becomes transparent if there's a character behind, right? I'm not sure).

I'm also not excited for this game, but for different reasons... I'll probably get it anyway when I'll have a Switch, because I like Smash in general (and after all I still think that this game is an improvement over Smash 4 in any possible way except trophies being PNGs).
 
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