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Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread
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Swagic
Smash Journeyman
GUYS STOP POSTING. I've had 9100 messages left in this thread for about three days now, and I've been through like 15 pages.
JK, it's more useful than the ****talk that happened a year and a half ago.
JK, it's more useful than the ****talk that happened a year and a half ago.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Lol gotta love **** talk
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YvngFlameHoe
Smash Ace
**** talk is my specialty
Duel
Smash Apprentice
- Joined
- Nov 3, 2013
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Thank you, holy ****.
YvngFlameHoe
Smash Ace
You guys sounding angry, we can play the game and settle it Bo1000
Swagic
Smash Journeyman
If nair is such ****, can someone explain the knockback stuff to me? Because apparently it has a base knockback of 50 with 100 scaling and has a sweetspot.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Nair has uses. Those numbers are like Greek to me
Swagic
Smash Journeyman
I'd guess that they're second hit and the sweetspot is probably the body hitbox. I killed a CPU Fox on Dreamland under 150% with that. Other hits were over 180% for any kill on Battlefield
spider_sense
Smash Champion
Down throw to nair works on marth at 5%; you'd have to follow the Marth's DI to get the second hit, but it is doable.
Swagic
Smash Journeyman
I think we've been sleeping on it. It has the same scaling factor as bair and base as fair. I think it's just a sweetspot move.
Coastward
Smash Lord
question: when should i be using autocancelled bair and instant uair over ff? or is there no advantage whatsoever?
i was looking back on some videos and i realized everytime i hit shield with bair, it was always near the top of the shield and i always got punished because it was autocancelled. also, is low bair > jab on shield positive if they try to do anything after the bair?
i was looking back on some videos and i realized everytime i hit shield with bair, it was always near the top of the shield and i always got punished because it was autocancelled. also, is low bair > jab on shield positive if they try to do anything after the bair?
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
The AC works when you fastfall...
How were you getting punished? If you fp bair and ff fp, you should AC on shield and be safe to dash away.
I'd really like to know the window to punish window on AC bair to pivot jab myself. I don't think they should be able to grab.
How were you getting punished? If you fp bair and ff fp, you should AC on shield and be safe to dash away.
I'd really like to know the window to punish window on AC bair to pivot jab myself. I don't think they should be able to grab.
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Swagic
Smash Journeyman
The sweetspot is just one specific hitbox that does more knockback/damage. For example, the Knee (Falcon fair) has a sweetspot and a sourspot. Marth famously has his tippers. It's not evident from looking at the frame data where the sweetspot is, it takes actually testing to figure out which hitbox it is. I know what I'm doing tomorrow...
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Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
got my laptop back up again. i work 70+ hours a week now and so i need something to fill the void during what free time i have. really hoping to be more active on here again.
what have i missed? who are the new faces here?
what have i missed? who are the new faces here?
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Gotem City Vigilante
Ian you missed everything bro.
Start reading.
Start reading.
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Swagic
Smash Journeyman
Hi. I'm new. we're just having the annual "guys maybe nair is good" conversation.
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Coastward
Smash Lord
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Something I've been experimenting with loosely but not enough to reach a conclusion.
A lot of times when I have someone cornered near ledge, if I jab their shield, I've been trying to go directly into pivot bair (spaced). This is pretty damn safe, I just don't know exactly how safe.
The bair is near-fp on his shield, then near-fp fastfalled for the AC. Then, I'll immediately pivot retreating uair scoop them.
So, jab, bair, uair.
If anything hits them they are offstage, and although there are punishable holes in this (how big??) I think it's good. Imagine the aerials spaced well. They seem to hit right when ppl tend to drop their shield (bair catches their punish attempt after shielding your jab). If they shield it all, remember the uair is retreating and you can dj after.
^^ ANYONE BORED 20XX TEST THIS PLEEEZ
*** and if they get used to instant uair after the AC bair, AC bair to grab them.
A lot of times when I have someone cornered near ledge, if I jab their shield, I've been trying to go directly into pivot bair (spaced). This is pretty damn safe, I just don't know exactly how safe.
The bair is near-fp on his shield, then near-fp fastfalled for the AC. Then, I'll immediately pivot retreating uair scoop them.
So, jab, bair, uair.
If anything hits them they are offstage, and although there are punishable holes in this (how big??) I think it's good. Imagine the aerials spaced well. They seem to hit right when ppl tend to drop their shield (bair catches their punish attempt after shielding your jab). If they shield it all, remember the uair is retreating and you can dj after.
^^ ANYONE BORED 20XX TEST THIS PLEEEZ
*** and if they get used to instant uair after the AC bair, AC bair to grab them.
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Swagic
Smash Journeyman
I started playing with nair some more, and I found another use for it while edgeguarding. It's DEFINITELY not free though.
Waveland off to nair. It'll block a spacie side-b recovery onto the stage or sweetspot attempt if you can time it right.
Waveland off to nair. It'll block a spacie side-b recovery onto the stage or sweetspot attempt if you can time it right.
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Gotem City Vigilante
LOL wouldn't he need like 120% to die off survival DI? Also just the window to get back to ledge is tight.
I've been using nair some just as a mixup. There were a few times playing spider_sense where he expected uair when I nair'd and I clipped him with the second hit after the first whiffed, leading to an edgeguard. It can definitely surprise people.
I've been using nair some just as a mixup. There were a few times playing spider_sense where he expected uair when I nair'd and I clipped him with the second hit after the first whiffed, leading to an edgeguard. It can definitely surprise people.
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Hi! I'm a new face, from Georgia. Probably the most significant thing you missed was BizzaroFlame's recent retirement. : (
Why not just do WL uair dj uair? Or stay on stage and Tipman spike? WL nair seems pretty dubious to me, but nevertheless I like how you're looking for uses for the move. : ) Here's a nair application I was trying yesterday: full hop nair ff. When timed correctly, the second hit of nair will come out and hit a grounded opponent right as you land. (Even Pichu, it comes out so low.) In that way full hop nair ff is kind of like full hop ff uair, except you get an extra hitbox with the first hit of nair. I like it so far.
Edit: Also, Coastward, didn't realize till I read your sig that you're part of EMG. Pretty cool. : )
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Gotem City Vigilante
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Swagic
Smash Journeyman
Diosama
Stand User
Hey Ian, I think you know me from tweeter
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Swagic
Smash Journeyman
Where in the midwest? I'm from Indy, but in college in SWFL. Which means someday I'll get a chance to meet one of the real Ganons... Right?
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Gotem City Vigilante
Where at? Like fort Meyers?
Swagic
Smash Journeyman
I'm at Ave Maria. Ft. Myers is about an hour off campus, but I go to their monthlies sometimes.
Swagic
Smash Journeyman
Dude, Wyoming isn't midwest.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Word, you're about 1h45m from versus gaming center. I know people come from Naples fairly often.
Swagic
Smash Journeyman
My goal is to make it to at least one weekly this semester. Only problem is that I have an 8:15 on Monday morning...
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Nice. Lol, 8:15 sucks
Guess I'm the one PAL representative here, going to a tournament on Saturday. Been practicing fox which I plan to use against high pressure spacies. Hopefully I get one or two matches on stream.
Probably going to duo main ganon/fox.
Btw I'm pretty sure nair kills earlier than fair here, not sure where uair is in comparison.
Probably going to duo main ganon/fox.
Btw I'm pretty sure nair kills earlier than fair here, not sure where uair is in comparison.
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-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
PAL nair is still weaker than PAL fair.
The reduced kb of PAL dair would take the most adjusting in play style imo.
Edit: crucial typo
The reduced kb of PAL dair would take the most adjusting in play style imo.
Edit: crucial typo
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