How to train

[hedgehog9597]

I spend tons of time training and reading boards, but I only train against cpus, and when I play my friends I don't completely own them in the face like I should. What to do? Wifi sucks... how should I effectively train?

-edit: this isn't in the q&a thread because I think there could be some SERIOUS discussion here.

 

[Chaospeedy]

you could try going to some local tournaments. I just started getting into competitive matches and I'm trying to get a lot better as well. it seems to work (for me) but i don;t know if you could afford gas entry and what not. just try to do a lot of friendlies and see how you stack up to your area.

 

[Sky Pirate]

Are these just your friends or are they part of the competitive brawl scene?

 

[Tin Man]

Here are some points on how to get better:

• Watch videos of yourself. Critique yourself and get others to critique you.
• Watch videos of top players. Compare yourself to them. And any top player will do, not just the ones that main your character. Olimar's will not figure out everything!
• Do research. Read up on things. Again, read up anywhere. Not just your main.
• Practice. Vs computers, on wifi, playing good players also helps obviously
• Get advice. knowing how to get better is really important. And you can't figure out everything (or you'll do it slower than you could).

 

[DtJ SquidBurrMoneyBurr]

Play WiFi and get over it.

honestly

 

[Sky Pirate]

Yeeeeah, Squid's right.
As much as I hate to say it, Wifi's a good place to start.

You can develop certain "habits", though.

 

[DtJ SquidBurrMoneyBurr]

Break the habits

 

[RichBrown]

Wifi is a last resort if you have no one else to play. You should really just try to play offline a lot, and go to tournaments if you can.

If you can really ONLY play wifi, try to play against the best possible players, and only players with good connections. You're gonna have to be disciplined on this.

Also, PRACTICE AGAINST LEVEL 3 CPUS. I know it sounds weird, but you'll develop a fluidity with your character because you're just hitting a moving target that occasionally fights back. Don't fight lvl 9 CPUs, they just do the same exact thing every time and they ingrain habits into your muscle memory that you don't want.

I'm super lucky to have access to Tyrant, Mikehaze, and DEHF whenever I want, not gonna lie that helps me a lot XD

And what tinman said about videos is absolutely true too. Ask yourself why you got hit, and what you can do to prevent getting hit in that situation again, and figure out what your opponent is doing that is preventing you from winning.

The Oli boards are here to help you with video critique as well, so feel free to post your vids!

 

[fatalmztake]

Not saying you're wrong Rich, but you should play lvl9 CPU's for one reason only and that's to practice SDI and DI. That's all they're really good for. Just let them hit you and practice the DI. Fighting them will develop bad habits though.

P.S. I personally know what it feels like to have know no one to play offline. I have no real brawlers in my city who play a lot so I'm forced to wifi. I do train with the CPU's lvl3 and 9, but it's just not the same so I feel the pain.

 

[RichBrown]

^Yeah I agree completely, that actually is a good use of lvl 9s.

 

[fatalmztake]

^Yeah I agree completely, that actually is a good use of lvl 9s.

:D Thanks.

 

[D Who?]

Whenever I train, I don't really look to win, I practice my timing with OOSing. Practice jab cancels nd the such.

I don't look at practicing to win. Infact, it's prolly better when you lose.

Something that I have been practing is not buffering shield when I land.

 

[hedgehog9597]

See, I can't really go to tournaments cuz I live in the colorado rockies and I'm just in 8th grade, so...
they're just my friends, one's a tl main, one mains link, samus, and ganon, and the last one sucks and mains ike. They aren't too good, but just good to practice against. For example, tl never uses zair, same with samus&link.

edit: Also thanks for the video idea, that's great.
edit 2: also, any ideas on how to get wifi to work? the with anyone doesn't work... plus I don't do wifi because I have slow internet, and it is so laggy it takes several seconds to respond after pressing shield.

 

[Blissard]

I'm just in 8th grade, so...

That's when I started too

the last one sucks and mains ike.

Lol stereotypes.

with anyone

NNNOOOOOOO never fo that lol. Whenever someone says wifi, everyone always assumes that they mean basic brawls, which are just full of taunt parties. Sign up for an Allisbrawl account, then go here: http://allisbrawl.com/chat.aspx?r=2

 

[Sky Pirate]

San Antonio has a 12-year-old player. No age johns. =P

 

[Greward]

play training mode with lvl 3 cpu

 

[Conviction]

What would you recommend for learning your character's zoning and stage control?

 

[Llumys]

Play on the AiB ladder. It's much better than playing CPUs or your friends.

 

[Asa]

San Antonio has a 12-year-old player. No age johns. =P

our youngest is 10

 

[thebokkie]

San Antonio has a 12-year-old player. No age johns. =P

iv seen the kid beat some high level players :|

 

[Denti]

The entire base of my skill derives from wifi. Even though I attend tournaments weekly

 

[Kyukenny]

x1 with a LV 9 CPU =D

or against your friends and wi-fi battle

 

[hedgehog9597]

thanks guys. The allisbrawl thing will help, already have an acount

 

[wwwilliam0024]

Heres a thing i do to train: Battle lvl9 cpus.

Lvl9 CPUs get used to your attacks so if you perform the same move over and over, it will be less effective against them, this helps you be more fluid withyou attacks, taking you away from being monotone, and learning to use all your attacks!

Also lvl9 cpus get to see your moves at frame speed, thats why they normally shield everything you have, this is were mindgaming occurs, you cant possibly mindgame a CPU but if youre good at guessing what he might do next, this will help you develop Yomi thinking. (ability to read opponents mind).

 

[Life]

^No. Level 9s don't learn. It's been proven. Anything else is confirmation bias.

 

[wwwilliam0024]

Doesnt matter. :3

 

[Llumys]

They react to your movements the same way every time; it's not good to used to that.

 

[Sky Pirate]

It does matter, actually. CPUs do the same things and fall into the same patterns. There's no stimulation and no actual way to learn to read your opponent's minds.

EDIT: NINJA LLUMYS!

That said, some people were working on tinkering with the A.I. a while back. I think either Phantom Wings or Dantarion was involved. IIRC, they were exploring certain curious habits changing certain values created, but I think the topic's inactive now.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Repeating what Rich said, practicing against level 3 computers is good from time to time. If you're stuck with wifi, what I suggest is using it through Thursday, but not on the day before the tournament. On that day, put yourself against level 3 CPUs and practice whatever is difficult, obsolete, or not used very often in general on wifi. Timing for some combos, ATs, things like that. You don't want the CPU to be an opponent. You want it to be a moving punching bag to help you make everything important muscle memory. This way you'll be less likely to put yourself into bad habits, as you're not thinking of them as the same way you're thinking of a live opponent, and you're still able to get whatever you are able to get out of wifi without screwing yourself over at tournaments.