Leviathan741
Smash Ace
How do you not be bad with Captain Falcon? Everyone can shuffle so that doesnt matter.
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How to get better?
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ryankam10
Smash Journeyman
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the only way to improve is to get your *** kicked by people better than you. in all honesty talking strats on a board is good but it only gets you so far, and its not very far at all :|
you just gotta get your *** handed to you enough times until you figure out how to win
you just gotta get your *** handed to you enough times until you figure out how to win
Well you can start by researching.
Researching problems, issues, thoughts, match ups, character strengths, advice [which you're clearly doing here]
A good place to start is here
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307911
Are you having problem with a particular match up, or movement idea? Almost all of the good ideas that Falcon players have had has been cataloged and indexed in that thread, it just takes a little bit of searching to find what you're looking for.
If you know what in particular you want to improve on it makes things substantially easier
Uploading a video to here can get you pointers
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=297643
And generally just asking questions will get you answers
I've seen your combo video, and seen you around since...a few years ago now, so I know that you have some basic knowledge
It's just specifics that we really need to know before we can help you
Researching problems, issues, thoughts, match ups, character strengths, advice [which you're clearly doing here]
A good place to start is here
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307911
Are you having problem with a particular match up, or movement idea? Almost all of the good ideas that Falcon players have had has been cataloged and indexed in that thread, it just takes a little bit of searching to find what you're looking for.
If you know what in particular you want to improve on it makes things substantially easier
Uploading a video to here can get you pointers
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=297643
And generally just asking questions will get you answers
I've seen your combo video, and seen you around since...a few years ago now, so I know that you have some basic knowledge
It's just specifics that we really need to know before we can help you
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Alright thanks then. I will do that. I will post some vids, but I really suck right now.
I asked the same question to shiz once.
His exact words were "You have to play to learn"
Pretty much all I do when playing friendlies is to try and learn something about either my opponent or the situation i've been dealt with. Same goes for tournament, if you lose in tournament you better have damn learned something.
I kill myself a lot, I go for over the top combos a lot, I test the whackiest **** and implement the dumbest crap into my game A LOT. Once you start sorting out what works and doesn't, and how the game can be played specifically to your style and taste. That's when you really start to improve (I feel lol)
I would post videos for critiquing as 0room said, him and windrose are pretty good about giving solid feedback.
Next time you're playing friendlies and you're tech-chasing someone and totally botch your knee. Think to yourselves these three questions
1) Was the Knee the best choice in the situation?
2) Why did I miss the Knee? Was it because of Techskill? (I sometimes mess up the timing on a shffl'd knee in some cases and hit with a weak instead of strong, things like this; CONSISTENCY AND FLOW IS KEY TO FALCON)| Overshot/Undershot Positioning? | etc..
3) How can I correct the mistake? Don't get into that situation/scenario? | Use a different move? | Do something off timing to bait or force a different situation? | etc...
I use that same thought process and it works for me so why not give it a try
His exact words were "You have to play to learn"
Pretty much all I do when playing friendlies is to try and learn something about either my opponent or the situation i've been dealt with. Same goes for tournament, if you lose in tournament you better have damn learned something.
I kill myself a lot, I go for over the top combos a lot, I test the whackiest **** and implement the dumbest crap into my game A LOT. Once you start sorting out what works and doesn't, and how the game can be played specifically to your style and taste. That's when you really start to improve (I feel lol)
I would post videos for critiquing as 0room said, him and windrose are pretty good about giving solid feedback.
Next time you're playing friendlies and you're tech-chasing someone and totally botch your knee. Think to yourselves these three questions
1) Was the Knee the best choice in the situation?
2) Why did I miss the Knee? Was it because of Techskill? (I sometimes mess up the timing on a shffl'd knee in some cases and hit with a weak instead of strong, things like this; CONSISTENCY AND FLOW IS KEY TO FALCON)| Overshot/Undershot Positioning? | etc..
3) How can I correct the mistake? Don't get into that situation/scenario? | Use a different move? | Do something off timing to bait or force a different situation? | etc...
I use that same thought process and it works for me so why not give it a try
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
thanks for the constant input guys. I never thought of it like that windrose... but in the midwest... smash is dead.
Well kinda
Just had a huge tournament in the midwest
Just means you gotta restart your scene [look here], [here], [and here]
Take a few people as your pupil and train them
Take it slow and explain to them what they're doing, what they wanna do
[see this]
Just take it slow and be consistent and viola
Life begins anew
Just had a huge tournament in the midwest
Just means you gotta restart your scene [look here], [here], [and here]
Take a few people as your pupil and train them
Take it slow and explain to them what they're doing, what they wanna do
[see this]
Just take it slow and be consistent and viola
Life begins anew
Lol I didn't say that everyone in the midwest was close to each other
I was just pointing out that there was a tournament in the MW so that the entire MW isn't dead
It's like saying that the EC is dead because the area I live in doesn't play as much
So I was saying that's not necessarily true
I was just pointing out that there was a tournament in the MW so that the entire MW isn't dead
It's like saying that the EC is dead because the area I live in doesn't play as much
So I was saying that's not necessarily true
Smokey Huntz
Smash Apprentice
Iz all about the character matchups knowing a small flaw in your opponents character that you can exploit gives a major *** advanage
Mr Postman
Smash Journeyman
I dont know if anyone said this already but learning to recover is a pretty big thing.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12590801&postcount=16947
edit;
Jesus that was only 9 months ago
but it seems like an entirely different person
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Eh actually I find myself messing up too much and not being able to do stuff I usually was able to do so its cool. I'm gonna try to gradually let go of the game.
Da Shuffla
Smash Lord
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It might just be nerves. I find myself messing up basic tech skill when I'm too focused on winning. I start pressing buttons harder which my subconscious tells me will help the situation.
It doesn't.
I've done the best in matches where I was most relaxed. I even sit back when I play.
Helps keep me from getting too frustrated.
It doesn't.
I've done the best in matches where I was most relaxed. I even sit back when I play.
Helps keep me from getting too frustrated.
Well honestly you don't shouldn't even think about winning or losing
It doesn't exist
The only that exists is you and your opponent in this moment
Sets don't matter
Matches don't matter
Only outmanuvering and outsmarting them matters
If you think about "winning" or "losing" you're putting your mind outside of where it needs to be
Which is here and now
It doesn't exist
The only that exists is you and your opponent in this moment
Sets don't matter
Matches don't matter
Only outmanuvering and outsmarting them matters
If you think about "winning" or "losing" you're putting your mind outside of where it needs to be
Which is here and now
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
I understand that. I just mess so much up that it becomes not fun.
ryankam10
Smash Journeyman
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you could just quit the game and focus on other things
or just play less so it becomes more fun every time you play
Windrose
Smash Lord
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0room is right, just focus on playing well. Winning or losing is not important.
I like how Silent Spectre said it in his youtube interview. You shouldn't try to be better than someone or be the best in the world. You should try to be the best that you can be.
It would suck if you go through a tournament and lose because you weren't playing well. It'd also be meaningless when you beat someone while playing half-***** and terrible.
I like how Silent Spectre said it in his youtube interview. You shouldn't try to be better than someone or be the best in the world. You should try to be the best that you can be.
It would suck if you go through a tournament and lose because you weren't playing well. It'd also be meaningless when you beat someone while playing half-***** and terrible.
Life
Smash Hero
1. "What am I doing wrong?"
2. "How can I fix it?"
3. Lather, rinse, repeat.
2. "How can I fix it?"
3. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Will put those vids up sometime
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Well here are some videos of me sucking it up..... this was my first tournament (i've only been to one) and these are most recent (i know they are not actually recent) vids of me playing that are recorded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4uE-HIj8rY (Only first match of set is CF)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYY9Jlsghko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4uE-HIj8rY (Only first match of set is CF)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYY9Jlsghko
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Bump in the name of the great knee
OneWing_Angel
Smash Apprentice
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I'm no pro or anything, but I see a couple of things that are fairly major here.
The Important Stuff:
- Do you JC Grab? I'm seeing lots of missed grab opportunities from that alone.
- Double jumping to an aerial can be a good mixup after a tech, but you miss chances to combo because of it in a few cases, and alot of the times it did work, it wouldn't work against a player you don't already know how to play against.
- Following up with the last comment, it looks like you play the Fox player alot. You know how he techs before the match even starts. I know the scene is tiny, but try your best to play different people. You're making bad habits by playing the same person, because you'll try the same things against better players and wonder why it doesn't work.
- Work on edgeguarding, I'm not great at it either lol.
- You recover pretty blandly. Watch SilentSpecter recover. I've never seen anyone recover so well with Captain Falcon. But you only get good at recovering by playing people that **** the **** out of you. : D
- Space your aerials better, ESPECIALLY nairs. You missed lots of combos because you hit him in a weird way, which sucks because you did alot of the RIGHT moves with not the best choice of spacing.
The Good Stuff:
- Both of you guys are actually pretty technical, so good ****.
- You know WHICH moves to use and WHEN, but not how to PLACE them.
- You are NOT bad, we all have stuff to work on. Except Mang0.
- Not really good stuff, but tell the Fox to nair-shine. SO MANY MISSED COMBOS.
The Important Stuff:
- Do you JC Grab? I'm seeing lots of missed grab opportunities from that alone.
- Double jumping to an aerial can be a good mixup after a tech, but you miss chances to combo because of it in a few cases, and alot of the times it did work, it wouldn't work against a player you don't already know how to play against.
- Following up with the last comment, it looks like you play the Fox player alot. You know how he techs before the match even starts. I know the scene is tiny, but try your best to play different people. You're making bad habits by playing the same person, because you'll try the same things against better players and wonder why it doesn't work.
- Work on edgeguarding, I'm not great at it either lol.
- You recover pretty blandly. Watch SilentSpecter recover. I've never seen anyone recover so well with Captain Falcon. But you only get good at recovering by playing people that **** the **** out of you. : D
- Space your aerials better, ESPECIALLY nairs. You missed lots of combos because you hit him in a weird way, which sucks because you did alot of the RIGHT moves with not the best choice of spacing.
The Good Stuff:
- Both of you guys are actually pretty technical, so good ****.
- You know WHICH moves to use and WHEN, but not how to PLACE them.
- You are NOT bad, we all have stuff to work on. Except Mang0.
- Not really good stuff, but tell the Fox to nair-shine. SO MANY MISSED COMBOS.
CrossfadingRage
Smash Apprentice
When I watched that first video, I thought you were doing pretty good from what I can tell, just work on Jump Cancelling your grabs and spacing your aerials (like everyone else was saying).
I also have the problem of the multitude of people I have to play against as well. Live in Eau Claire with two other people who play Melee so I learn to play those two pretty well...recently went to a tourney in Madison and got destroyed pretty badly...but in friendlies I won 2/3 of matches...so I've got to work on my nerves, not sure if that is a problem for you.
And yes, Silent Spectre's recoveries are amazing. I don't see how he ledge cancels it all the time...too good.
I also have the problem of the multitude of people I have to play against as well. Live in Eau Claire with two other people who play Melee so I learn to play those two pretty well...recently went to a tourney in Madison and got destroyed pretty badly...but in friendlies I won 2/3 of matches...so I've got to work on my nerves, not sure if that is a problem for you.
And yes, Silent Spectre's recoveries are amazing. I don't see how he ledge cancels it all the time...too good.
Practice is key to winning, practice your reflexes and try to have quick hand coordination. You should play level 1 cpu to improve your combos, I certainly don't recommend playing level 9 always since no human is ever going to react as fast as a lvl 9 can unless you ofc plan to play cpu forever
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Thanks for the feedback guys... and I'll work on that. Hax how exactly do I move faster..... I mean I'm shuffling... so do I shffle faster?
Da Shuffla
Smash Lord
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Just make sure you are hitting all of your fast-falls, and fast-falling as soon as possible, right at the peak of your jump.
In fact, always fast-fall, unless it will kill you, or something.
In fact, always fast-fall, unless it will kill you, or something.