How I would improve Jigglypuff. #BUFFTHEPUFF

[Macchiato]

can dair just shac again?

 

[RDR7]

BUT ARE DEE ARE SEVEN WHY DOES GET A LONG, SUPER POWERFUL, NEAR INSTANTANEOUS B-AIR? I DEMAND DISJOINT!

Well I think about giving her a disjoint on her back air. Then I remember how silly this is. :v

 

[Stickmanlolz]

Well I think about giving her a disjoint on her back air. Then I remember how silly this is. :v

Well It's only active for a few frames so it's not that bad. Cut that extra range in half or so then you would have a very good move rather than just a solid move.

 

[Eddie The Pacifist]

Isn't Bair active for 1 Frame? That's ridiculous.

 

[Jiggly]

Isn't Bair active for 1 Frame? That's ridiculous.

its active for 2 frames, but still not great...

 

[FunAtParties]

What I'd really like to see is some kind of combo into Sing. Mewtwo's seen a revival due to the optimization of Disable, but we have nothing like that going for us. If there's was some type of move that could reliably combo into Sing at high percents, or near the ledge, it could be an amazing kill confirm that doesn't necessarily have to rely on Rest for once.

Maybe nerfing Dair's knockback on the final hit (but still have some), increasing Dair's damage output, and reducing the FAF by a few frames could make it a solid set-up move to Sing on a grounded opponent. An increase in Sing's range may also be necessary to get it to work. Obviously this would be situational, but this could make catching someone with dair near a ledge a death sentence. I think these tweaks may also make the Dair to Rest combo more reliable. Either way, I just really want to see Sing be useful for once.

 

[Jiggly]

What I'd really like to see is some kind of combo into Sing. Mewtwo's seen a revival due to the optimization of Disable, but we have nothing like that going for us. If there's was some type of move that could reliably combo into Sing at high percents, or near the ledge, it could be an amazing kill confirm that doesn't necessarily have to rely on Rest for once.

Maybe nerfing Dair's knockback on the final hit (but still have some), increasing Dair's damage output, and reducing the FAF by a few frames could make it a solid set-up move to Sing on a grounded opponent. An increase in Sing's range may also be necessary to get it to work. Obviously this would be situational, but this could make catching someone with dair near a ledge a death sentence. I think these tweaks may also make the Dair to Rest combo more reliable. Either way, I just really want to see Sing be useful for once.

I have been doing a lot of dair to sing testing, as well as jab jab sh sing. I like to do jab jab fair, and conditioning to that can get people to airdodge, so I use sing so I can catch their landing. Dair to sing only works at lower percent so if your opponent knows how to mash, it wont work. Jab jab sh sing is decent, you guys should test it out a bit.

 

[FunAtParties]

I have been doing a lot of dair to sing testing, as well as jab jab sh sing. I like to do jab jab fair, and conditioning to that can get people to airdodge, so I use sing so I can catch their landing. Dair to sing only works at lower percent so if your opponent knows how to mash, it wont work. Jab jab sh sing is decent, you guys should test it out a bit.

I was messing with dair to sing last night and couldn't find anything worth it. I tried to hit all but the last hit, drag the opponent towards the edge, and ledge cancel sing, but unless you hit the last hit of dair the opponent doesn't stay in hitstun long enough for it to work.
Obviously dair to footstool to sourspot fair to sing would work, but really it's pointless as you can already hit rest.
During some matches I like to rushdown with some fairs at mid percentages and if the opponent misses a tech I'll get them with Sing, but just with anything else it's risky because it doesn't work at high enough percents for them to not be able to mash out of it before Sing ends.
I've pp'd a first hit jab near the ledge and and sh sing, but that's another one that I just don't think the hitstun lasts long enough to actually combo. There just doesn't seem to be any solid combo into sing let alone a ledge cancelled sing, which sucks because I think it could be huge for us.

 

[Jiggly]

I was messing with dair to sing last night and couldn't find anything worth it. I tried to hit all but the last hit, drag the opponent towards the edge, and ledge cancel sing, but unless you hit the last hit of dair the opponent doesn't stay in hitstun long enough for it to work.
Obviously dair to footstool to sourspot fair to sing would work, but really it's pointless as you can already hit rest.
During some matches I like to rushdown with some fairs at mid percentages and if the opponent misses a tech I'll get them with Sing, but just with anything else it's risky because it doesn't work at high enough percents for them to not be able to mash out of it before Sing ends.
I've pp'd a first hit jab near the ledge and and sh sing, but that's another one that I just don't think the hitstun lasts long enough to actually combo. There just doesn't seem to be any solid combo into sing let alone a ledge cancelled sing, which sucks because I think it could be huge for us.

It's a frame 29 move that relies on the opponent to be grounded and not shielding/dodging. It would be crazy if we could effectively combo into it.

 

[FunAtParties]

It's a frame 29 move that relies on the opponent to be grounded and not shielding/dodging. It would be crazy if we could effectively combo into it.

True, true.

 

[KniteBlargh]

You have no idea how many times I've wished jab would jab reset... LOL
Anyway, good work, keep it up!

 

[RDR7]

You have no idea how many times I've wished jab would jab reset... LOL
Anyway, good work, keep it up!

It jab reset in melee and brawl. :v It confuses me why they make it different this time around.

 

[Stickmanlolz]

It jab reset in melee and brawl. :v It confuses me why they make it different this time around.

Because if it was good in Melee it must be taken out/ruined.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Hey, huge thanks for this breakdown, RDR7 . I'm actually working on a balance patch and trying to source as much information as I can from different character communities, and this did a lot of the work for me.

These changes are live in my test build, and for what it's worth, they make the character feel a lot more interesting and viable.

What's missing is basically just what I haven't figure out yet.