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How does your Samus kill???

COM7

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Alright, I'm getting fed up, I decided to pick up Samus to po' my friends who abused her in Melee and try to in brawl then whine when Zelda obliderates them... But I can't count the number of times I'll combo them up to 200% in less than a minute then when it comes to killing them off I can't do jack, I'm used to Zelda where every god****ed move is a kill or Sheik killing with the smashes or NAir and BAir... I mean, I can pull kills off sometimes with Samus' BAir cause its just like Sheiks but I haven't gotten down the timing to aim it cause I CAN use Sheik's version, I just don't...Then the FSmash it too slow and the charge shot is...a projectile...The Dtilt is nice but I end up fumbling the controls usually and get the DSmash, Missles don't do crap, Screw attack's for damage racking, DSmash aint potient enough...

I should at least be able to kill around 100%, but how?

You Samus vets mind sharing your secrets with me, or some nice training methods would be cool...
 

ll Mafia ll

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Samus doesn't kill at 100...

The only way that I know to get an actual kill is a uptilt at the edge.
Hits them pretty far.

I like the charge shot.
Giant ball of death.

Oh, and around 200 percent, Zair tippers kill off edge lol.

The kill moves for Samus are...
Bair
Charge shot.
D tilt
Forward smash.
And uptilt...
 

VirisKnite

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For kills around 100% or less ur gonna need to spike with Dair. Try using the charge shot instead of fsmash for kill. Good to use after you hit with zair or homing missles. Try pressing down then down on c-stick if you trouble with the dtilt. Hope this helps. I'm sure better players will post more and better ideas soon. and try looking around through our threads, your not the first to have this problem.

Edit: Oh yeah, just keep working on the bair timing and see how try to see how it differs from shieks. If you can see the differences it shouldn't be too long before you can make little adjustments so you can use both effectively. I know I dont use bair anywhere near enough. Also I think it's safe to assume that using shiek has your gameplay to avoid using dair. Try usiing Samus's dair alot, especially over the edge. I think you'll like using dair and not having to worry about plunging yourself to death. I know cause its the opposite for me when I use ZSS, and Sonic. I can't help but use dair eventhough I shouldn't.
 

0RLY

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If you want to kill at 100%, Samus is not your character. 130% is a better time to try to kill. I generally kill at 150% with dtilt and bair. Edgeguarding with bair kills at around 120%. Then again, I usually fight wario...
 

Crystanium

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Your problem, my friend, is that you've not learned how to properly defeat your opponent. 0RLy is right about the 130% KO, but some characters like Ness can be defeated at a lesser amount of damage. Ness can be defeated at 118% with a fully charged Charge Shot. Keep in mind that the person playing may use DI, which will affect this. Mario can be defeated at 111%, or at least from what I've tested on Jungle Japes. What you need to keep in mind is not only your opponent, but also his or her damage percent. When you think your opponent's damage is high enough, defeat him.
 

rmporter35

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I love spikes, so Dair for my input... I have taken out a certain pesky Zamus at as early as 50% with Dair... Also try angling your Fsmash upwards...
 

Tri4ceofPower

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I think samus works best from mid to long range; she has just enough ground moves to kill someone at high % (usually D-Tilt, U-tilt, forward smash and down smash). The higher the percentage of the opponent the easier it is to push the opponent into that mid/long range where she excels. At that point you can just keep spamming missile combinations and the occasional z-air to push them away and then power up a charge shot for the finish. I imagine characters with reflectors would give this strategy problems. In essence once they're that high just keep pumelling them with long range and if you get them into an ackward spot do a quick approach down-tilt, or a charge shot.
 

w0re

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I attack my opponent until 150%. Then I get my Giant Ball of death ready, wait for the time & then shoot. Sometimes I try to kill at 100% but it won't work.
 

SinkingHigher

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Dair is your most reliable move. Use f-airs or z-airs, possibly f-smashes too, to pressure them off the edge of the stage and fix up a nice cold *****slap for them. B-air if they're at high distances, and bomb yourself back to the stage if you go too far. N-airs aren't all that special, but whatever works...

Apart from that, a surprise Chargeshot at close range is always good to have.

D-tilts work great against lighter characters.

It seems to me pretty much all her moves force the opponent sideways. Keep on one side, and just missle cancel, z-air or f-smash them into where you want them to be, then go in for the d-air or b-air. If all else fails, you can probably catch them with the missle-cancel>Chargeshot routine.
 

Sudsy86_

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Charge shot and dtilt primarily.

My most effective combo is fair, jab,jab,jab, dtilt.

They'll die if you start that when they're around 95-98 or so.
 

doom dragon 105

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the weird thing is i usually gimp with her. dair works nicely also dtilt and bair works nice too im not a fan of the charge shot but i guess it works
 

Gangsta_inc

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Dair, B, U-tilts, and Spikes

Yep.


Though I have only recently begun, to use Samus. (as of last week)
 

Coldfront

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I mainly use Dtilt when the opponent gets to 150%, Dair anytime they are trying to return to the stage no matter the percent, and Charge shots off the stage for horizontal KO's.

I rarely use Bair or Fsmash. Utilt sometimes gets the job done though.
 

25%Cotton

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and the charge shot is...a projectile...
QFT....

anyway, i usually kill with dtilt... mostly i get hit out of charge shots, my bairs are dodge, my fsmashes... whiff.... and i am not proficient with dair yet.

though actually, i got this really cool with anyone team battle kill with dair: so it was jungle japes (not that this matters), and i'm trying to do a dsmash when i'm surrounded by enemies (all four of us are on the left platform). i get hit to the left and my dsmash instead becomes a dair... with nobody anywhere near me. anyway, my teammate (falco... or was it lucario ? :p) dsmashes and opponent straight out very quickly directly into my dair and is washed away.

it was really unexpected. first i thought i was going to dsmash, then i thought my dair was just going to be a waste in the middle of nowhere. then BOOM it actually hits someone recoiling from my teammate's smash.
 

Gum

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I mostly kill with charge shots for a raw KO, or spikes for early KO's. All this talk about her not being ABLE to kill at 100% or less, but I know we have all killed at way less than 100% using spikes. I get kills at around 70% with dair all the time.
 

MetaRidleyX

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As Samus, my main killing moves are charged shot and dtilt. I also like to throw off stage and dair should the opportunity arise and if its possible, throw them out to KO on bridge of eldin and stages of the like, where the platform goes right to the egde.
 

Mars-

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Up tilt in my opinion is your best kill move. It's got more range/area of attack then fsmash, about equal knockback, if not more. Ohh and when you hit them with up tilt when they are jumping at you it completely ***** them.
 
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