Houston Smash Ultimate Thread

[RT]

Forgot to mention, Four Swords Anniversary DSIware is on the eShop again. Free download, 4 days only.

 

[Xyro77]

sorry for double post

 

[Xyro77]

According to their own stats, the average Nintendo user on a console plays through 3 games. Those will certainly not be my 3. Smash and DK look good, tabletless controllers (DKTC will literally have a blank wii pad screen).

Lol c'mon man. You know this is going to be focused around stuff like Wii Fit. That was a huge thing for them. This will be casual based.

I never said they couldn't make decent games. They can make AMAZING games as seen with Smash and stuff. But, they need to start having 3rd party exclusives or even at least 1 new hit IP. Having 3rd party games literally can make or break you and they're hurting from the lack of them/watered down versions of them.

What stats?

Wii Stats? So you then mean the casual base. That's expected.
WiiU stats? I highly doubt its that high for a console that has sold only 5 mil.

You nor i know exactly what this new QOL device will be but i can GUARANTEE it wont be anything like WiiFit. WiiFitU has already been released on WiiU and it sold only 2% of what it did on Wii. I promise you they will never try anything like that in the future.

They days of "exclusives" is all but gone. It is a business model that is causing companies to lose money. Think about it, why release CoD on just ps4 and sell 2mil copies when you can release it on x-bone/ps4/pc (all of whom have similar capabilities/architecture so that the game doesn't really have to be changed) and sell 6mil with little to no extra cost. You can find hundreds of articles on this fact. Nintendo would like 3rd party games to be on its systems for sure but it does not need them. Want proof? Look at the n64/gcn/wii/wiiu (all of whom were known for not having mass amounts of 3rd party support) and you will notice Nintendo is STILL around making consoles/games. 3rd party is nice but def not needed in terms of nintendo. It does not break them (it would however break sony/Microsoft). Nintendo has so many IPs that they are able to withstand any storm......as proven by gaming history.

This time though, they are losing the fight. Not cause of 3rd parties (they have beat it 4 gens in a row) but because of the other things.




Things like:


1. Biased media. If its not what the media wants, its deemed not good. If its not what the media wants, nintendo is deemed "out of touch." Its catch phrases and and attitudes like this that give Nintendo a negative light. Its like when the 3ds sells a billion consoles, you hear nothing. Oh but when the 3ds sales start to fall you hear 86 websites yelling glooom and doom about Nintendo. Tell me, where are the articles and sites bashing the Vita? The vita is literally in the same situation that the WiiU is in but its a handheld yet you hear NOTHING about how terrible its doing. You hear "omg Nintendo is posting a loss for its 3rd straight year Nintendo is doomed" but you never hear that it took Sony and Microsoft 4 years each to be come profitable with ps3/360. The bias is ridiculous.


2. Little to no advertising. This is both on Nintendo and the Media. Nintendo should WANT to advertise its new product. They should WANT to show people its not a Wii but instead its a WiiU. It is a proven fact that the more you see something the more likely you will purchase/use/remember it. The other half of it is on the media. They dislike what the WiiU is so they refuse to cover it. They refuse to show nearly any of the good features/games the wiiu has. Here is one example: WiiU was auto deemed a failure once "smart glass" and the ps4+vita combo were announced. What they FAILED to mention is that in order for your x-bone or ps4 to do what wiiu does you need to have a device that can use smart glass with an x-bone and you need a vita for your ps4. You need 2 items to accomplish a goal. Spoilers: WiiU comes with the tablet AND the console for a CHEAPER price. The WiiU games are designed for the tablet and not an afterthought (aka smart glass+x-bone and vita+ps4). This is a HUGE advantage but yet none of the gaming media will tell you this because they are soooo against nintendo.

3. Nintendo was caught in an interview (back in august i think) saying they were "unprepared for the HD era" and because of this games are taking longer than expected to make. That is why they do not have many games ready to be launched. Seriously, this is quite possibly the stupidest thing i have ever heard from Nintendo. They had from 2006 to 2012 to figure out how long it takes to make HD games. You mean to tell me 6 years isnt enough to have a Mario/zelda/metroid game completed? Didn't the original xbox do 720p aka HD? If so that means Nintendo had 11 years to figure it out. This is an unacceptable major mistake.

4. Over saturation of IPs. Im just gonna pick Mario because its super easy to see. WiiU has been out 1 year and 3 months, right? It has had 3 mario games in that time period. No wonder people have lost faith in that IP. You give us a NSMBU, a NSMBU Luigi add-on and then FINALLY a real Mario game like SM3DW that gets beaten by one of the worst rated 8th gen games called Knack (ps4). People are tired of lazy/half @$$ games when you could be putting all the money/effort into a real mario game.

5. The Virtual Console. The WiiU literally has a Wii INSIDE OF THE DAMMNN THING!!! There is no reason why the entire Wii VC isnt available for the WiiU VC on day 1. This is a MASSIVE MASSIVE selling point for WiiU but again, it wasn't ready and no advertisement for the WiiU VC (for what little games it had) was advertised. Another major mistake from Nintendo.

6. I cant believe im actually saying this but i truly believe Miyamoto (sp?) is a problem for Nintendo. They rely on him for new IPs and authorization to do certain things. He has been caught several times saying that the reason why StarFox/F-Zero have not been brought back is because he feels they cant really do anything new with it (kinda like what sakurai said about smash). StarFox and F-zero are not huge IPs but they do have a decent amount of followers who have been begging for another game from those IPs since the GCN days. I understand Nintendo doesn't really listen to its fans (i admire the hell out of that btw) but sometimes you just need to cave in and throw the fans a bone. Especially since the WiiU is doing so bad.



making your number 1 franchise (mario) unappealing by putting out 3 of its games in

 

[RT]

1. The media can be pants on head ******** when it comes to Nintendo, but only because they are primarily a video game company. They are also smaller than the other two big companies. So if Nintendo screws up, they have to jump on the story. Maybe it's because they hold Nintendo to a higher standard than the others.

2. Nintendo cannot advertise for whatever reason.

3. No comment, all true.

4. In regards to Mario, people like to throw around the term rehash. Mario is the mascot of Nintendo, their number one IP. OF COURSE THEY WILL FEATURE HIM IN A LOT OF GAMES. And no, Mario Kart is not a rehash of Mario and Luigi or SMB1. You'd be surprised how many people believe this, it's scares me how dumb some people are. To be fair, NSLU can be classified as DLC more than a separate game, since you can think of it as a "what if" scenario starring Luigi. 3D World is the new Mario game, but people are crying because it's not Galaxy 3. Sorry, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't count. And in terms of Knack beating Mario 3D World, that only happened in Europe during the first week of release. Europe has long been known to be somewhat anti-Nintendo. Just look at their best sellers, Fifa and shooters. What the hell.

5. I'm not going to act like I know how the Wii U VC games are programmed, but judging by the size of the games, I would assume each one has their own separate emulator. And I'm sure there's a lot of background work that needs to be done as well (licensing, legal, ESRB, etc). People just assume put the game on the eShop and HOORAY! This is not how it works in the real world.

6. Nintendo is certainly not using some of the older IPs. Considering Smash is basically a free advertisement for the characters they use, no new Star Fox or F-Zero is just a huge mistake. Melee and Brawl helped Fire Emblem. I'm sure Brawl helped with Kid Icarus. It just amazes me how they could miss Star Fox and F-Zero...they need to give them to other studios, like Retro or Platinum.

 

[Xyro77]

I don't care how many Mario games they make. It just hurts the brand when we have 3 in one year.

The VC thing. Nintendo had 6 years to get it right (plan/work out licenses/esrb...ect) or at least get it decent. iirc the VC didn't even launch with WiiU. if it did it had what, 5 games? No excuses.

 

[UltimateRazer]

Lol you're just listing all the more reasons why they have been flopping on the Wii U. SWEET

 

[megaFoX]

Why haven't we played yet megafox?

I didn't know you had it.

Zano/megafox, we should set up a monster hunter date. Just us guys.

What about kprime?

 

[RT]

I'd be down for some Monster Hunter...

 

[Xyro77]

Lol you're just listing all the more reasons why they have been flopping on the Wii U. SWEET

Yes. That's the point. If they fix these things, the WiiU will be fined. No 3rd party games needed.

 

[Zano]

I'm off all day tomorrow, just post here if you want to play.

 

[UltimateRazer]

F u Trela and RT.

 

[Pikabunz]

"Pic of the day. The heroic Aura Pokémon, Lucario, joins the battle!! We've increased the influence of Aura this time, so a damaged Lucario is truly a force to be reckoned with."
He's stronger!

 

[RT]

Hahahaha...

Hahahahahahahahaha...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

And I was joking with Trela that he would be revealed today.

I hope he's stupidly strong in doubles.

Sakurai trolls best.

 

[KRDsonic]

This makes me happy.

 

[Xyro77]

So stupid. More brawl in smash 4 sucks.

 

[RT]

So stupid. More brawl in smash 4 sucks.

Perhaps karmic justice for telling people to deal with it for the last 6 years.

Now Sakurai gets the last laugh...DEAL WITH IT.

 

[Xyro77]

Perhaps karmic justice for telling people to deal with it for the last 6 years.

Now Sakurai gets the last laugh...DEAL WITH IT.

How is it justice that we get another stupid part of brawl returning but this time its even stronger?

 

[RT]

Yes, keep whining...

Your hate only amuses me more.

When Diddy is announced, tripping with bananas will be the exact same. And it too shall be glorious.

 

[Xyro77]

Yes, keep whining...

Your hate only amuses me more.

When Diddy is announced, tripping with bananas will be the exact same. And it too shall be glorious.

Yes, i have no doubt the 3 pillars of Brawlness will return. 2 of the 3 have came back so far. I just hope those characters suck this time. its the only thing that will keep me from hating this **** game.

 

[RT]

Yea, your hate is delicious.

And MK isn't even revealed yet.

Save your rage when he ends up being SSS++ tier again.

 

[Xyro77]

I can handle MK cause I'll ban him.

Diddy (tripping)
Olimar (rapid fire items that do damage/stop projectiles and that refresh KO moves)
Aura (reward for losing)

Those 3 brawl attributes take part in ruining what smash is.

 

[RT]

Funny, I didn't know you created Smash and know what is best for it.

I guess Sakurai should be asking you for help in HIS game.

It feels good to sit back and enjoy all the nerd rage and tears.

 

[megaFoX]

I'm ready to play mh3 whenever you guys are

 

[KRDsonic]

I've never had any specific trouble against Lucario, and I still don't see why he's hated so much.

 

[Zano]

are you guys still planning to play monster hunter? Think I'm a few hours late

 

[UltimateRazer]

Brawl wise, this would be terrible. Still much to be unknown. Besides, I feel like we down here especially don't like this update because of Trela. Without him, it wouldn't be such a big deal. Plus he wasn't broken and had CPs. Other characters will be buffed. Lucario might be lighter or possess different mechanics in this game. Still much much unknown.

 

[Xyro77]

Smash 64 and melee set up what we know as "competitive smash"

Brawl ****ed it up bad. It's the most hated, most made fun of and truly the worst smash game of the 3.

**** like aura, tripping, olimar, stupid huge hit boxes (snake)....ect

This is common knowledge after 6 years.

 

[Xyro77]

And no razer, you are missing the point.

The fact that a character gets BETTER when he is losing is stupid as hell.

 

[RT]

Smash 64 and melee set up what we know as "competitive smash"

Brawl ****ed it up bad. It's the most hated, most made fun of and truly the worst smash game of the 3.

**** like aura, tripping, olimar, stupid huge hit boxes (snake)....ect

This is common knowledge after 6 years.

You're forgetting that 64 was mostly a testing ground and Melee was a rushed "happy accident" according to Sakurai. Brawl was a game where a majority of the mechanics were planned out. Tripping, Aura, Olimar, Snake's hitboxes...these were all PURPOSEFULLY planned to be the way they are.

And Smash 4 will be the same. Whatever old or new mechanics are in the game, they will all be done on purpose according to Sakurai's will.

You know what happens when you have a game where the players try to implement their own design on what a game "should be"? PROJECT M.

It's just sit back and enjoy the ride...even if it ends up being bad.

 

[Fliphopper]

Can't wait to see entrants hit 100+ for back to back months

 

[Xyro77]

RT, 64 and melee had nothing dumb about them. 2 games in a row. Then sshhiitt brawl came out and messed it up. I know you know what I'm talking about. You ain't dumb.

I'm sure smash 4 will have it's share of garbage (I already see some) I just hope it's not brawl 2.0.

 

[Xyro77]

Mario Kart 8 will be released in May

Smash 4 will be released by Oct/nov/dec http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=177461

 

[UltimateRazer]

I understand you foo, but I don't think it's such a breaking thing that will destroy smash 4 competition.

 

[Xyro77]

Of course not, you use snake AND your first real smash exp is BRAWL.

 

[UltimateRazer]

Lol, the hitbox thing is stupid for sure. I'm talking about this recent update. I'm just saying we shouldn't be like straight "F" just yet. We don't know many angles of the game yet.

 

[RT]

Cautious optimism is the best route.

 

[Xyro77]

Sorry, but I've had the terrible privelage of watching the first brawl trailer and feeling my heart sink. I knew MK would be a problem and it turned out to be something even worse.

I'm not saying lucario will be the next MK. I'm saying that obviously the smash devs have learned very little from the competitive disaster that is brawl. Not only did they keep aura in.....they made it stronger.

 

[RT]

Aura would have been fine if it balanced so that Lucario's base power was slightly bumped up, but his gain from Aura was severely reduced. They way it was done in Brawl was excessive, given that it caps at around 170%.

I'm still curious about aerial clanking/cancelling. It will be interesting to see.

 

[UltimateRazer]

They've also listened some Allan. I think it'll be faster, no tripping, more hit/shield stun, the ledge mechanic will be to stop ledge stalling/planking giving more offensive pace etc. No one knows anything about the game yet. I do really think it'll be better than Brawl. Hopefully a lot better. If it's somehow worse, then that means Sakurai purposefully found our thread and said "F XYR0!!"

 

[RT]

Sakurai reads the Houston thread and saw him telling people to DEAL WITH IT.

He then waits six years..."IT'S TIME" *laughs*