hiroshi sheik vids(1/03/08 update)

[h1roshi]

NEW VIDS (1/03/08 UPDATE)

Doodah 3 Fl tourney vids:

hiroshi(sheik) vs andres(marth) - whole set

hiroshi(sheik) vs dashizwiz(marth/falcon) - set

hiroshi(sheik) vs xyz(falcon) set

Fest friendlies:

hiroshi(sheik) vs capncrunch(fox)
hiroshi(sheik) vs capncrunch(fox) 2

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NEWEST VIDS!!!! (11/01 UPDATE)

hiroshi vs uuaa(falcon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6YxWof2Sn0

hiroshi vs uuaa (marth)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEAqJq4vewE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocF0CAq3uE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7mpbLZlkZI

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NEWER VIDS!!! (8/29/07)
I just went to a tournament this saturday and i recorded every single tournament match i had, so here you are. out of all the vids, i did use falco twice, but the rest are all sheik.

TS6:
hiroshi(falco/sheik) vs monk(mario)
match 1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsKQ-g2jlM8
match 2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bx8rMVbfDA
match3:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGwUJHZa93w&mode=related&search=
(did pretty poorly this match, as it was my 1st match of the day. but the rest of the vids i was pretty warmed up.)

hiroshi(sheik) vs phanna(samus)
match1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxnOiYJvZjM
match2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiT1HKRmB-o&mode=related&search=
match3:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4lSr0db3Xk&mode=related&search=

hiroshi(sheik/falco) vs limebackwards(link)
match1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e65a0C_pm_Y
match2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyEiZll6c1M

hiroshi(sheik) vs bane(falcon/g&w)
match1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5u34iTZppw
match2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FGuZnfhTQ0

hiroshi(sheik) vs rohins(samus)
match1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsL9kO_Qd-A
match2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlFnGelvXMY&mode=related&search=
match3:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoMUu1ZvM5E&mode=related&search=

hiroshi(sheik) vs hungrybox(jiggs)
match1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG3SGQxlYqo
match2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3BuMg2X0Nk&mode=related&search=
match3:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJQOSca6SZE&mode=related&search=

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NEW VIDS!!! (6/17/07)

TS4: hiroshi vs fenrir(6/2/07)
match 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx6441xnbeE
match 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYGhgIRipSo

iGT1: (5/19/07)
hiroshi(sheik) vs nick(falco)
round 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0fpYeqIo1c
hiroshi(sheik) vs nick(falcon)
round 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvhD9Q9OpBg

hiroshi(sheik) vs vericz(falco)
R1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6yIpVgkm-0
R2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPqqXq5oUmM

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OLD STUFF:

hiroshi vs vericz (3/28)
grand finals:
match 1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zzv0ctNQ7cQ
match 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2baCC21Om94 (4/5)
match 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqBpPMStoTk (4/14) !

hiroshi vs smashmac
match 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUSDZIYowds

match 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7z_TDcfGkA

am i good...am i bad...advice...tips...rate...discuss

peace

-hiroshi

 

[brickman]

I watched the first match and half of the second match. My comments follow based on them.

First Match: There was not a lot of grabbing on your part, and nor was there a lot of grab combos into tilts.

I thought also a major reason for the loss was the lack of dsmash. I know that not all Sheiks like to use it, but it is an excellent move to use. Wd in out dd dc dsmash. It is pretty awesome. As far as edgeguarding, you did your best. Doc can be a pain to keep from coming back.

Second Match: There was still not a lot of grabs.

Grabs, they are so necessary, I know they can be a pain to get on Doc with the up b cancels and such, but they are necessary to rack up damage. Also, this is somewhat of a pain. But learn the timing on the pill to reflect it, it has a really weird timing on it, but once you get it, it is very much worth it. It breaks up incoming attacks/etc.

Overall, I liked your Sheik a lot. I think as far as jockeying for position goes, you dj a little too much into dairs. I find nairs, are good to come down with for protection.

All the best.

 

[brwnhawaiin]

thats some of my fav sheik videos (even though u lost) . it seems like u could do better at edgeguarding, and when u got knocked far away, it seemed like u died the same way wiht ure timing of ure up b. turning into zelda couldve saved u a couple times. i liked ure needls alot, but it seems like u couldve grabbed more often after using them. ure sheik is kinda the way that im tryin to get mine too. also, that doc mario was really good too, hed put my friends doc to shame.

and grabs, more grabs.

 

[CmRoddy]

hey Hiroshi. sup man.

here is what my advice would be.

grab more. thats really all i can give advice on. and plus you can edge guard a little better by getting on the edge faster with WD back or SH reverse needle cancel onto ledge. but all in all your good man.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

As far as character refinement goes, you're not close. That Doc knew his character quite well and dominated the pacing of the matchup. The only reason you were close was 1. sandbagging or 2. Sheik's learning curve, or lack of one.

You're SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. You don't short hop. You don't use your advantage. You let Doc camp you to death. You had a lot of opportunities for grabs, needles to grabs, dash attacks, but you just passed them up.

You don't know / can't control the character. I have no idea why you passed up easy combos. You would punch, then refuse to follow up or full hop to a failure. On the 2nd one, you got him in utilts, and could've lead it to a ftilt to slap, for some easy 50%. You never made Doc pay for his mistakes with ridiculous Sheik combos; you just had to chip away.

Space better. Your spacing is quite poor. bair, dtilt, ftilt. Whenever Doc gets inside or you get inside, you should be ****** him.

I also noticed your DI was horrendous. The Doc's DI was pretty good.

 

[darkatma]

Lol i love neighborhood P's critiques
They're so... harsh
But they actually make you wanna get better

I'll watch this later when i finish hw crap

 

[Ares726]

I had a really thorough, type up critique, like I usually do. It was specific to the second like how I always do, but my internet crashed and it go deleted. I'm tired and don't want to redo all that. This is a what I said to the best of my memory:

The Bad

You roll way too much. You waste a lot of second jumps, be mindful of that. Faster characters will capitalize and make you pay for it. Your edgeguarding skills need a ton of work. Doctor Mario has the worst recovery (or second to Roy) in the game. Sheik has the best edgeguarding in the game. Doc really should be getting back to the stage. You gave the edge away without even hogging it and making him go for the stage. You've got plenty of options to edgehog: shorthop backwards, wavedash backwards, reverse needle store, and running up-B. You chose to full jump/double jump and rarely got the edge (if at all) to edgehog. You wavedashed around a lot, which is good, but you decided to wavedash into Doc's pills (not smart). Learn to powershield or tilt the pills (at the very least avoid them). A lot of your decisions on which aerials to use seemed to be the wrong choice to me. Most of your dairs would've been better as nairs. Also, learn to sweetspot those bairs. Your DI on those dsmashes was not good. It's like you were trying to kill yourself. DI those up and slightly in and you'll live to ~200% at least. You didn't grab once in the first match.

The Good

You improved a lot from Round 1 to Round 2. If you continued to improve at that rate you might've won Round 3. You did better with dodging pills. You did better with combos. You did better with grabs. But you still didn't do great with any of it. The edgeguarding was even worse. Try to take advantage of the Doc's mistakes. Almost invariably you'd dthrow->fair and he'd jump before the fair hit. That means that he no longer has a second jump and is that much easier to edgeguard. If this is the case, get him off the edge by nairing instead of fairing and tilting so he doesn't touch the ground. Once you get him over the edge, just edgehog. It's Doctor Mario, he has a hard enough time getting back to the ledge let alone the stage. If this sounds harsh, sorry, you just played really slow. I expected a lot more out of your Sheik. Just learn how to combo and you'll improve a lot. You've got the basics down, just keep building on them. I know SmashMac is really good, so it might intimidate you to play him, but you didn't seem to have any idea what you were doing. Just practice man, I wanna see some more videos. Your Sheik definitely has potential. You just need some good training.

EDIT: Sorry if it comes off really harsh. From the way you've talked around the boards I just expected more. I'm also kinda tired so I don't feel like cushioning my criticism. NeighborhoodP, I like your critiques. If I ever post videos I want you to critique them.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

The reason why Sheik gets a bad rap is that so many players who use her don't even think. They're not thinking players, and when you use Sheik, you can get by on so much without HAVING to be a thinking player.

This is a good example. You seemed really lost in this matchup relative to the Doc but Sheik's natural gayness kept it close. That Doc is crazy, though; I was learning some stuff for my own Doc.

Ares is 100% right about the edge guarding, though. I forgot about that. Seriously, you were the worst edge guarding Sheik I've ever seen. Needle much?

 

[Ares726]

NeighborhoodP, I couldn't agree more. Sheik can go pretty far on her "noob-friendly" playstyle alone. There are a ton of Sheiks that have absolutely no idea what they're doing yet they do alright due to Sheik's ease to use. A huge chunk of Sheik players stop developing her as a character once they learn basic tilt->tilt->aerial combos. She's way more than that. What seperates the great Sheiks from the good Sheiks and the good Sheiks from the bad Sheiks is knowing her capabilities. You'll find far fewer Doctor Marios or Yoshis or Bowsers who play stupid than you will Sheiks. If you don't know what you're doing with most other characters, you'll lose. With Sheik it'll be close, and you might actually win. Knowing your character is something that can only come with more experience and more observation. Since you live in Florida and play with SmashMac, hit up KeepSpeedN for some Sheik lessons. I only say him because 1) they're brothers and 2) he's the best Sheik I know of in Florida. Also, you could go to INN V. I'm going to try and learn from some really good players that will be there. You could come too, and we could go seek out their advice thereby advancing both of our games. It all just comes down to practice. Your Sheik right now is probably as good as at least 50% of Sheiks in existence. If you want to get her out of the crowd and into the upper levels of play, you have to really devote some time to it. Don't stop where you are now, don't be average. Keep learning and keep practicing so you can show people that Sheik is more than tilt->aerial. She can actually be a deep character.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

I am a much better theorist / spotting what other players are doing wrong than an actual player -- I don't possess the actual skill to be as flawless as I know a proper player should be. But watch Plank, Aesis, and Omar -- that's how a Sheik is supposed to be played. Proper spacing like Marth, no such thing as shield grabbing, defensive yet offensive at the same time. Too many Sheiks keep rushing in in hopes of a tilt combo, but like Hugs says (paraphrasing), if it's likely you can't get the hit off, just run away and retreat. Abuse platforms with her speed, range (bair and needles) and grabs (needles to grabs).

Noob Sheiks always are the one to run right in and try to get an attack. Approaches are definitely their weak point. Run, then short hop and maybe wavedash back. Maybe full job, charge needles, needle cancel, then throw them. Sheik has a ridiculous amount of approaches and feints that all have great uses, and cut through slower characters like Marth and Doc.

 

[vericz]

hiroshi is doo doo

Harsh,
I play hiroshi all the time, these vids are not anywhere near his best.
-work on your edgeguarding. I have told you soo many times before you edge guarding was bad and you can't disagree with me there.
-be more gay with sheik, It's not too hard to be cheap.
-less camping.

I'm not going to say grab more because when we play you chaingrab and tech chase well. Just apply it to everyone you play. We will record some more vids later, maybe at Inet.

 

[Ares726]

I play hiroshi all the time, these vids are not anywhere near his best.

No johns son.

NeighborhoodP, I know what you mean about being a theorist and everything. That's kinda how I am too. However, as far as Sheik models go, I think you might be looking up to the wrong people. Plank and Omar are awesome, no doubt about it, but there's people even better than them (CJ, DSF, KDJ). The really cool thing though, is that they all play completely differently. People don't understand that Sheik can have a multitude of styles in the same way Fox and Falco can. For example, I play a really defensive Sheik. I let them approach while I charge needles, and I capitalize on their mistakes (like a campy Fox I guess).

Hiroshi, some approaches you can try are dash in->wavedash back to draw an attack, then dash->JC grab during the lag. You can dash in->dash attack (situational). You can dash in->dtilt. I like that one a lot becasue you can't get shield grabbed easily, in fact you often stab under their shield. You can wavedash in->dsmash/jab/ftilt/fsmash/dtilt. You can dashdance camp->JC usmash when they approach. And those are just the ground options. Seriously though, if you get better at edgeguarding you'll probably win ~30% more of your matches.

 

[vericz]

I'm not making excuses or saying hiroshi is soooo good, because he is not. Watching this vids was like watching another person to me. I know how he plays and watch his matches, these just suck. I gave him critique on what I think he should improve not only in the videos but from what I see him doing when I play him.


BTW- there are only 2 types of falcos, laser campers and shine combo falcos . or a mix of the 2 for 3

edit- hiroshi get on aim.

 

[Ares726]

How many styles do you think Roy has (just asking becasue of your sig)? I was just thinking about your post, and it made me wonder how many playstyles each character has. I can't think of any character that has more than 3 completely different, successful (key word) playstyles.

I know the "no johns" post was rather immature, but I couldn't help it. It was just too tempting. I don't normally post like that.

 

[vericz]

No idea on how many he has but there is probably just one play style that actually works for him and it is one like neo's roy. My playstyle with roy is very similar to his and I think all decent roys play that same way. He really has nothing to camp with unless you run and space his dtilt.

 

[h1roshi]

wow..thansk guys...lots of good...scratch that..great advice...and i dont mind you guys being harsh at all..im not a little p ussy....i can take it...infact thats what i want to hear...raw criticism...as for me being slow ..i disagree with that...i play at a very good speed...as far as grabbing more...i agree completely..i need to grab a ton more...but i am always scared they ar egoona l-cancel their aerial into somthing to punish me when i go for a grab...and docs pills were just wrecking the fvck out of me...i coulndt get around them...i dont know the match-up..thats all..um lets se what else...again with the combos..i dont know..i just didnt know the matchup and his di was really good..it was har to follow up anything becuase of his di and those dam pills..but like ive been saying..what threw me of the most were the pills...they were just ****** me the whole match...but i have been training lately and i am working more on shuffling a lot more...i do chaingrab and tech chase a lot..but i usually only do that stuff to falcon, fox and falco....as for edgegaurding the doc..i was very poor with my edgegaurding...i wont disagree...but ..idk..he was kindy tricky..but most of the itme..it was my lack of tech skill..i just couldnt get to the ledge in time...the doc knew his charcter well..and heck... he gets to train with his brothers dashizwiz and keepspeedn everyday...but i assure you i am a lot better than this..well....atleast a bit better than this...i will try to get more vids of me playing against space animals and falcon i guess....thanks for the advice...and if any more advice is out there...i am happy to listen...peace

-hiroshi

 

[Mcscruff]

If you want to grab more and not get punished, always JC grab and when they hit your shield with and aerial wait for the shine (jab, or whatever else they do) then grab after it hits the shield. All you do is wait a little, and you won't get punished.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

Wow, that Doc's brothers are speedn and shiz? Jesus christ, no wonder that Doc was sick.

"Plank and Omar are awesome, no doubt about it, but there's people even better than them (CJ, DSF, KDJ)."

Obviously Plank and Omar aren't the best Sheiks, but they're the ones I learn from the most. I also can't leave out Forward; he doesn't use his Sheik often but it's defintiely my favorite Sheik of anyone's. I like Aesis (2nd best sheik in So Cal) and Omar's play styles the most, even though DSF etc. **** them.

 

[vericz]

yeah, that $mashmac, they were all at the orlando gigabits tourney. Fun stuff

Get better hiroshi we got to win tomorrow!

 

[h1roshi]

aight guys...i just finished playing in a small local tournament today...it was pretty weak...the only good people there were the people from my crew...me, vericz , and ray,,,we all placed top 3....anyways...i got some footage of sheik...i was still sucking though...so the vids might not be up to your liking...but hey they are vids...i have to wait for my friend to upload the vids to youtube...i'll post the new vids here....just letting you know...peace

-hiroshi

 

[the_air_up_there7]

You need to grab more, and well combo more. That doc owned you.

 

[h1roshi]

yeah he did...im not gonna front...peace

-hiroshi

 

[h1roshi]

aight...got one more vid up...one more to go to finish up the tournament set between me and vericz...peace

-hiroshi

 

[tw0 side]

thats some of my fav sheik videos (even though u lost) . it seems like u could do better at edgeguarding, and when u got knocked far away, it seemed like u died the same way wiht ure timing of ure up b. turning into zelda couldve saved u a couple times. i liked ure needls alot, but it seems like u couldve grabbed more often after using them. ure sheik is kinda the way that im tryin to get mine too. also, that doc mario was really good too, hed put my friends doc to shame.

and grabs, more grabs.

He pretty much sumed up all of what I had to say. BTW Smashmac has the best Doc I have ever seen.

 

[h1roshi]

yeah smashmac is pretty nasty....green mario's doc is hella nasty as well...peace

-hiroshi

 

[h1roshi]

ok, i just finished adding the last match between me and vericz. sorry it took so long...peace

-hiroshi

 

[NeighborhoodP]

You made it to the finals with that? **** dude, let me come to Florida and **** if it's that easy. That last match is an abomination, with both of you guys playing unbelievably sloppy and basic. Falco and Sheik are much faster than that. All the Falco did was walk around and randomly smash, randomly spamming stupid ****, and all you did was down smash everything. Learn the matchup. Play Falco more aggressively. You're looking for grabs, dash attacks, utilts, and usmashes. Your edge guarding is also horrendous; how many times did you needle nothing, stun yourself too long so you couldn't slap him, and then follow up with the worst move possible? You had so many opportunities to slap him out of his tech, but you would do something dumb like a whiffed nair or odd bair.

Watch KDJ v PC Chris for starters.

 

[Pr0jecT]

Not bad H1roshi, You really could grab more though.

 

[vericz]

You made it to the finals with that? **** dude, let me come to Florida and **** if it's that easy. That last match is an abomination, with both of you guys playing unbelievably sloppy and basic. Falco and Sheik are much faster than that. All the Falco did was walk around and randomly smash, randomly spamming stupid ****, and all you did was down smash everything. Learn the matchup. Play Falco more aggressively. You're looking for grabs, dash attacks, utilts, and usmashes. Your edge guarding is also horrendous; how many times did you needle nothing, stun yourself too long so you couldn't slap him, and then follow up with the worst move possible? You had so many opportunities to slap him out of his tech, but you would do something dumb like a whiffed nair or odd bair.

Watch KDJ v PC Chris for starters.

I agree those matches were junk, we aren't the best in FL but we do play each other all the time. i was playing like junk, especially the last 2 matches. Oh well.
And hiroshi's edge guarding has always been junk.

 

[h1roshi]

lol, the only reason we made it to finals is because it was a noob local tournament. me, vericz, and our teammate ray were like the only ones who knew advanced play, and yes, those were pretty bad matches. i can say this though, i grab a lot more now, got better at edgegaurding, and i'm just overall better/smarter now. and btw. i've watched plenty of kdj and pc chris vids. thanks for that tip though ^_^...peace

-hiroshi

 

[Banks]

that was pretty slow, you should be on that kids *** at all times, you backed off too much to charge needles or w/e

 

[HideousBeing]

Hiroshi, ur far better than me, but you don't transform to save yourself. I don't get it. Are you not allowed to, or are you fairly confident your opponent won't edgehog you? lol. Maybe you suffer too much punishment trying to change back to Sheik later? Please, tell me. I don't understand.

 

[Kenpachi]

Hey, I took a look at your videos against Doc (this is between my classes, heh). your wavedashing is impressive, and your wavelanding from the edge is even more impressive. You missed a few opportunities to shield grab, though at 2:45~ish in the second match i saw you try that only to see Doc L-cancel into a standing dodge (crazy on his part). Also near the end of the same video I noticed you jumped out of a grab to the edge only to meet with a finishing combo that ended the game. If you learn how to Shino Stall, it'll fix that. That will force Doc to back up enough for an efficient waveland from the edge. If you read up on it you'll see that there's an insane number of choices you get after forcing someone back with a Stall or two. The invicibility helps too, heh.

Also, with regards to your edgeguarding game: you should start getting in the habit of at least taking the edge alot. against alot of characters and recoveries, taking the edge and using L or R to roll back on is enough. Use that wonderful wavedash of yours, with the consistency you have with it, wavedashing backward onto the edge should be easy, and on the plus side, its alot faster than jumping onto it. Once you get that as a habit down, try applying some mindgames and other techniques with it.

Truthfully, those tips comes from the mistakes i make with my sheik, heh. Especially the rolling thing. I can sweet spot the edge OK, tech every so often, shino stall AND waveland on the edge. then with almost 100% consistency, i get back from the edge and roll once. my friend can even call it verbally than capitolize. Everyone's got their fair share of habits to break, i guess.

Good luck breaking yours

~Kenpachi

 

[h1roshi]

thanks for the compliments and the advice. although i must say that those vids dont do me justice...peace

-hiroshi

 

[jiaflu]

I don't know if this is still a problem, but in the Doc vids (didn't watch the falco set yet), it seems like you were trying to finish him off with air moves even when he was beyond the % of ftilt -> fair/uair combos.

D/U-smashes are effective killers as well.

And as said before by a bunch of other people, you gotta utilize grabs better.

 

[h1roshi]

the doc thing could very well still be a problem considering i dont play any docs. also, our smash scene really only has 1 good doc and thats smashmac, who doesnt go to tournaments that much on account of him working and such. as far the grabbing thing. i am completey over that. i utilize grabs very well in my game now. i realized grabbing is an integral part to defeating a lot of characters. i found myself beating people at my most recent tournament that normslly would best me. for an example, samus is a character you most def need to grab a lot since her CCC and up+b out of shield really make it hard to do anything else. as soon as i get some new and current vids (probably this saturday since thats when my tournament is going down!!..check my sig) i will post them here as well as in 1v1's vid thread...peace

-hiroshi

 

[shiekfreak]

lol, i feel that the shiek was reallyyyyyyyy slow, didnt grab much, didnt use much of the needles , just trying to be flashy. Yo post comments about my shiek being "one of the rest" when i come here and watch your vid, and I dont see nothing special about yours. I guess dont post **** like iam like "one of the rest" if your **** isnt impressive at all. So far i know for sure iam a better shiek.

good luck buddy

 

[h1roshi]

lol, i feel that the shiek was reallyyyyyyyy slow, didnt grab much, didnt use much of the needles , just trying to be flashy. Yo post comments about my shiek being "one of the rest" when i come here and watch your vid, and I dont see nothing special about yours. I guess dont post **** like iam like "one of the rest" if your **** isnt impressive at all. So far i know for sure iam a better shiek.

good luck buddy

im not sure what you mean by me being one of the rest? your confusing me. and we played before that one time at megacon, so you should be able to tell my skill from playing me there better then watching some old vids. well, i just put up some newer ones. i guess i still suck though. just watch them i guess...peace

-hiroshi

 

[ToP CaT]

Your good but you dont seem to change your style up to suit the character your fighting, not that you should but it might have helped, against the link..no shame in losing that one, that link was sexy...the falco you were much better than and it showed, and smash mac is just too good. Up-Bing out of shield lol who does that.. Anyway ya, very nice definitely shown improvement

 

[vericz]

Like the new vids, but in my opinion you still really need to work on edgeguarding. You're good at it I know that, you just have to use it more and practice it more