Social Hideout of the Phantom Thieves - Joker Social

[Sigran101]

Are you sure about that?

I've never been so happy to be wrong!

 

[Deleted member]

I've never been so happy to be wrong!

I'm happy for you all. Joker is a unique addition to the roster, and it shows that Nintendo is not going to pick dumb characters People wanted Joker, Sakurai is a fan of Persona 5, Persona 5 wasn't on a Nintendo console, and he isn't a mainstream character, not a lot of people know about him. This means - Nintendo is listening to the fans, what Sakurai wants, doesn't care solely about promotion or making the most money, and the character doesn't have to be the most recognizable. This opens the door for a LOT of characters people dismissed due to irrelevancy and promotion!

 

[C-G]

I think, for once, in the entirety of Smash Bros, I caught myself thinking 'I really hope they don't remix any of the songs'. This is......truly unprecedented

 

[Pizza Robo]

It's Awesome that Joker from Persona 5 is going to be a DLC Character :D
Persona 5 is a awesome game

 

[osby]

Important question:

The Poem of Everyone's Soul
The Poem of Everyone's Soul Remix
Or both?

This:

So, a few idle thoughts I had about this inclusion today:

Since P5 has a dancing spin-off, you guys figure one of Joker's taunts would include his dance moves?

Also, I can see why Sakurai picked him among Ninty's suggestions, seeing as he is a JoJo fanboy, the Persona characters are basically Stand users. Joker's name even STARTS with Jo, as an added bonus.

Firstly: No

Second: Sakurai is also a fan of Persona 5. He played the game and praised it. It doesn't have anything to do with JoJo.

 

[C-G]

Coming up with a moveset for Joker. This is what I got.

Joker is a mid range in and out fighter. He's got great mobility coming from his moves, but needs to pick how he approaches and often needs a setup to land a kill move as he's usually too far away. His moves come in two varieties: Stubby and hard hitting(coming from his knife), or long range and mildly damaging (coming from Arsene). Arsene functions like a demon shaped sword, but many of his normals and specials allow Joker to close the gap, flee, or setup for a kill. Forward skills are Arsene, as well as specials.


Arsene comes with 5 abilities. Eiga, Cleave, Sukunda, Dream Needle, and Adverse Resolve. If we remove Adverse Resolve and Sukunda as not being combat skills, that leaves Eiga, Cleave, and Dream Needle + Up B for Special moves. So with that in mind...........


Neutral B: Eiga. Low damage pillar that spawns a locked distance away from Joker after he casts it. Joker is free to move and act while it is active. On the fatter side (about half~70% a Battlefield platform). The pillar doesn't linger or hit multiple times. Instead, it has respectable a chance to trip people a la WEAK!

Side B: Cleave: A forward lunging strike. This move leads with Arsene who runs forward and slices. Joker is lost in the image of Arsene, but reappears as Arsene fades, leaving him at the front end of the move where Arsene stopped moving. Kinda like he slices them, then Joker gets free movement into that space. Can KO at above 140% average. Can help with recovery. Because Arsene is a giant Hitbox with no hurtbox, it cannot be intercepted, only blocked and punished

Down B: Dream Needle. Remember Snake's PM Tranq gun? Same deal, but the hitbox is a bit larger and it has minimal range. Sets up for KOs, something he needs over damage.

Up B: Thief Climb. A series of jumps that look like that blurry effect from the game when you snap to an object. Similar to Pikachu's zig zagging, but Jokers is more about dodging than angles. Joker will always arrive at the same end spot, but inputs let him go left, right, or straight twice, before he ends at the previously mentioned end point.

Thoughts?

 

[IronWarrior94]

I really hope the Phantom Thieves provide commentary on the fighters ala Codec calls/Guidances.

 

[amageish]

Since P5 has a dancing spin-off, you guys figure one of Joker's taunts would include his dance moves?

Ooo, maybe? In spite of a lot of time in the dancing games, I had never considered that haha. As long as he can taunt-cancel a la Bayonetta. That said, his main game is stylish enough that they could easily pull from it for all of the taunts.

I've never been so happy to be wrong!

It's okay. We all said very-wrong things about Joker's chances haha... especially me.

Coming up with a moveset for Joker. This is what I got.

Nice moveset! I kind of hope they use his Wild Card ability so that Arsene is used in some but not all of his moves, but I like your selection overall.

Also, as a general comment, does anyone find it interesting how speculation has changed pre and post reveal? Like, I don't recall seeing anyone suggest that Joker's final Smash wouldn't be an All-Out Attack prior to his reveal, but suddenly a lot of people are expecting his ultimate persona.

 

[Durnt]

Congrats dunno much about the Persona gamesm, but it looks like I got my surprise from the newest dlc character! I hope the other picks are gonna be sooo off the radar even if you did see it comIN.

 

[magiciandude]

"Man, what a bunch of Jokers!"

-Reyn after seeing Shulk face off 7 CPU Jokers

 

[Game2018]

I'll be heavily disappointed if there is a codec-like thing and we don't get mentions about Futaba and Inkling looking nearly identical to each other.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Sakurai is also a fan of Persona 5. He played the game and praised it.

Oh, okay then. Given that, after doing a bit of research and thinking about it, I may have pinned down the exact reasons why Joker is such a darkhorse inclusion:

Now, there's been the common belief that Ultimate's DLC cycle must include characters made before 2015. Persona 5 was released in 2016, breaking that fan rule. Ergo, this makes him the character that's nearly had the most recent origins in Ultimate, with only barely beating him by a couple months. This also means Sakurai and Nintendo were aware of his existence for a good amount of time.

Also, if we consider Sakurai's character criteria of them having some "history" with Nintendo (which basically seems to be "needs to have made at least one appearance on Nintendo hardware", which I suspected ever since Cloud's inclusion in 4, although Sakurai sees it as more of a courtesy than anything else), they probably wouldn't have considered suggesting Joker to Sakurai if Persona Q2, his latest appearance, hadn't been released before Ultimate. Said game was released the week before Ultimate's release (although PQ2 had been announced in September, but that's besides the point). Which might mean that Joker's inclusion was done on extremely short notice, if theories about the timing of Nintendo's DLC suggestions having only happened recently are correct. Not to mention that the spin-off of a spin-off in question is currently Japan-only, to boot.

While I find it unlikely that they searched on sites like Reddit for gauging fans' interest in the character (one particular poll has him placed at 49 out of 50 fan choices), people did like the idea of Joker as DLC, regardless of how likely it seemed. It's the kind of hope that would probably be dismissed in the general thread.

With all that put into consideration, Joker fans are really damn lucky that this announcement happened.

 

[osby]

Oh, okay then. Given that, after doing a bit of research and thinking about it, I may have pinned down the exact reasons why Joker is such a darkhorse inclusion:

Now, there's been the common belief that Ultimate's DLC cycle must include characters made before 2015. Persona 5 was released in 2016, breaking that fan rule. Ergo, this makes him the character that's had the most recent origins in Ultimate, beating out . This also means Sakurai and Nintendo were aware of his existence for a good amount of time.

Also, if we consider Sakurai's character criteria of them having some "history" with Nintendo (which basically seems to be "needs to have made at least one appearance on Nintendo hardware", which I suspected ever since Cloud's inclusion in 4, although Sakurai sees it as more of a courtesy than anything else), they probably wouldn't have considered suggesting Joker to Sakurai if Persona Q2, his latest appearance, hadn't been released before Ultimate. Said game was released the week before Ultimate's release (although the game had been announced in September, but that's besides the point). Which might mean that Joker's inclusion was done on extremely short notice, if theories about the timing of Nintendo's DLC suggestions having only happened recently are correct. Not to mention that the spin-off of a spin-off in question is currently Japan-only, to boot.

While I find it unlikely that they searched on sites like Reddit for gauging fans' interest in the character (one particular poll has him placed at 49 out of 50 fan choices), people did like the idea of Joker as DLC, regardless of how likely it seemed. It's the kind of hope that would probably be dismissed in the general thread.

With all that put into consideration, Joker fans are really damn lucky that this announcement happened.

Incineroar is younger than Inklings.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Incineroar is younger than Inklings.

Ah, right, sorry, forgot about that, thanks. Will edit.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Incineroar is younger than Inklings.

*puts up finger* Hol up, what you mean by that, bruh?

ooh years not....ages...

 

[osby]

*puts up finger* Hol up, what you mean by that, bruh?

ooh years no....ages...

I mean, he can be. Don't Pokemon grow up super fast?

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I can feel it now, Joker is going to be so fun to play as. I hooe his idle animation at least has him show off his trademark snarky smirk of his

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I mean, he can be. Don't Pokemon grow up super fast?

I mean, getting beat up helps that go even faster.

Ooo, maybe? In spite of a lot of time in the dancing games, I had never considered that haha. As long as he can taunt-cancel a la Bayonetta. That said, his main game is stylish enough that they could easily pull from it for all of the taunts.



It's okay. We all said very-wrong things about Joker's chances haha... especially me.



Nice moveset! I kind of hope they use his Wild Card ability so that Arsene is used in some but not all of his moves, but I like your selection overall.

Also, as a general comment, does anyone find it interesting how speculation has changed pre and post reveal? Like, I don't recall seeing anyone suggest that Joker's final Smash wouldn't be an All-Out Attack prior to his reveal, but suddenly a lot of people are expecting his ultimate persona.

Well, I figure that the Persona could be a core part of his gameplay, as specials at least.

 

[kirbsmash]

GUYS Mona as Pikachu or 'ROAR. THINK ABOUT THAT

 

[MeatOfJustice]

GUYS Mona as Pikachu or 'ROAR. THINK ABOUT THAT

Fun fact: Pikachu's VA is the same as Japanese Morgana.

With this we have Joker + Inkling (Futaba) + Chrom (Yusuke) + Pikachu (Morgana), one more and we'd have a full P5 themed Squad Strike team.

 

[kirbsmash]

Fun fact: Pikachu's VA is the same as Japanese Morgana.

I KNOWWWWWW

 

[Flyboy]

Oh, okay then. Given that, after doing a bit of research and thinking about it, I may have pinned down the exact reasons why Joker is such a darkhorse inclusion:

Now, there's been the common belief that Ultimate's DLC cycle must include characters made before 2015. Persona 5 was released in 2016, breaking that fan rule. Ergo, this makes him the character that's nearly had the most recent origins in Ultimate, with only barely beating him by a couple months. This also means Sakurai and Nintendo were aware of his existence for a good amount of time.

Also, if we consider Sakurai's character criteria of them having some "history" with Nintendo (which basically seems to be "needs to have made at least one appearance on Nintendo hardware", which I suspected ever since Cloud's inclusion in 4, although Sakurai sees it as more of a courtesy than anything else), they probably wouldn't have considered suggesting Joker to Sakurai if Persona Q2, his latest appearance, hadn't been released before Ultimate. Said game was released the week before Ultimate's release (although PQ2 had been announced in September, but that's besides the point). Which might mean that Joker's inclusion was done on extremely short notice, if theories about the timing of Nintendo's DLC suggestions having only happened recently are correct. Not to mention that the spin-off of a spin-off in question is currently Japan-only, to boot.

While I find it unlikely that they searched on sites like Reddit for gauging fans' interest in the character (one particular poll has him placed at 49 out of 50 fan choices), people did like the idea of Joker as DLC, regardless of how likely it seemed. It's the kind of hope that would probably be dismissed in the general thread.

With all that put into consideration, Joker fans are really damn lucky that this announcement happened.

Oh trust me, we know we're lucky. Literally it felt impossible, to the point that if you go back to the earliest pages of the thread just before the reveal we were being told by some wet blanket it was impossible only for me, robertman2, and sigran to be like "yeah, we know, like, that's not news".

There's a reason so many of us reacted to the trailer with disbelief or like we were dreaming. It was among the most impossible ideas ever with the recency of the character, Q2 being Joker's only Nintendo appearance, and just the nature of the character in general. Believe me when I say I know how lucky I am, which is why I'm truly never asking Sakurai for anything ever again.

Fun fact: Pikachu's VA is the same as Japanese Morgana.

With this we have Joker + Inkling (Futaba) + Chrom (Yusuke) + Pikachu (Morgana), one more and we'd have a full P5 themed Squad Strike team.

Oh, I love this. I love this a WHOLE bunch.

 

[NintenZ]

So interesting... The entire Persona 5 cast with the exception of Robbie Daymond has confirmed involvement with Smash...

Could we be getting chatter between the Phantom Thieves? (Also wonder what this means for Akechi?)

 

[Flyboy]

So interesting... The entire Persona 5 cast with the exception of Robbie Daymond has confirmed involvement with Smash...

Could we be getting chatter between the Phantom Thieves? (Also wonder what this means for Akechi?)

Casino stage with chatter from the squad just like the opening of the game?? I'd die!

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

So interesting... The entire Persona 5 cast with the exception of Robbie Daymond has confirmed involvement with Smash...

Could we be getting chatter between the Phantom Thieves? (Also wonder what this means for Akechi?)

Did someone say Akechi. It would so. damn.good if Akechi accompanied Joker is some shape or form

 

[NintenZ]

Did someone say Akechi. It would so. damn.good if Akechi accompanied Joker is some shape or form

Better yet, Crow as an Echo Fighter of Joker! That would be incredible.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Better yet, Crow as an Echo Fighter of Joker! That would be incredible.

Stop, I cant handle all these good feels

 

[MeatOfJustice]

So interesting... The entire Persona 5 cast with the exception of Robbie Daymond has confirmed involvement with Smash...

Could we be getting chatter between the Phantom Thieves? (Also wonder what this means for Akechi?)

What's Makoto/her VA's involvement?

 

[NintenZ]

What's Makoto/her VA's involvement?

All she said was that she was involved with the game along with Haru’s and Futaba’s, other than that we have no idea what their roles will be.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Stop, I cant handle all these good feels

We need some pancakes for the boi.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

We need some pancakes for the boi.

inb4 there is a spirit that is a plate of pancakes from Tomodachi life that shows up with Joker

 

[Robertman2]

goro echo pls

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Yo guys! Figured I'd join the support for Joker of Persona fame! Could be quite excellent if his inclusion were to signal Persona ports to the Switch!

I said this back in November 7th, and I have no regrets!
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I doubt he's in Season 1, but season 2 is more likely

Also, the irony.

 

[MeatOfJustice]

All she said was that she was involved with the game along with Haru’s and Futaba’s, other than that we have no idea what their roles will be.

Wow, we really could have a codec/guidance equivalent from them.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Wow, we really could have a codec/guidance equivalent from them.

It would more than make up for 's codecs having been yanked wholesale from Brawl. They could have at least changed the Brawl mentions to Ultimate, otherwise it doesn't leave Hayter with much to do.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

The whole thing still hasn't quite settled in, to be frank..

Regardless, I just want to say congratulations to all of you.

I quite enjoy Persona 5 (though I still haven't beaten it yet, got very busy), so Joker was not only a surprise, but a pleasant one at that.

I look forward to seeing what Joker brings to the table.

 

[MeatOfJustice]

It would more than make up for 's codecs having been yanked wholesale from Brawl. They could have at least changed the Brawl mentions to Ultimate, otherwise it doesn't leave Hayter with much to do.

Didn't the colonel say Brawl? If so it's because one of his VAs died.

 

[osby]

Wow, we really could have a codec/guidance equivalent from them.

Or it could be something like Star Fox characters' conversations.

 

[SquashiniKun]

Anybody wanna make some Joker Codecs?

 

[C-G]

Star Fox would be more likely than Codec. The Thieves were less about intel on characters and more layout on stages