Help against a Jigglypuff

[sakuraZaKi]

So yeah, I went to a game store and ended up having matches with some of the people there. I beat pretty much every single one of them until I get to the store manager, who just happens to play Jigglypuff. He previously played Peach, who I brutally beat the last time I went there. He spammed d-smash, n-air, b-air, and the turnips.

^ Not needed. But maybe you could use his experience with Peach for something, lol.

He's not very technical, his only education is combo videos I believe (I overheard him saying that he saw a video of Puff juggling with Pound, so he switched), so he spams down smash, pound, and rollout. Yeah, that's it.

We went with 2 out of 3. I lost both matches, with all of my stocks taken by Rollout, and I mean all of them, not even one from edge-guarding or anything.

I get extremely nervous whenever I play ANYONE I'm not acquainted with, which was, everyone there (either one of my legs *'tis random* will twitch repeatedly). This led to my demise. I could tell that I was really nervous, and that this would lead to predictability. I noticed that I would Counter every time he did Rollout and constantly use "Wavedash-->f-smash" (I was hopeless/nervous, so that was the only thing I could think of doing) , and eventually, he caught on and faked me every time he did a Rollout, resulting in a lost stock.

Of course, I could read him as well. He would down smash whenever he could "think" that he could get me with it, so I shield-grab or sidedodge-->grab. I do the same with his Pound, where I also shield-grab or follow-up with a n-air or f-air. His aerial combos aren't the best either. They suck, lol. The one thing that I also really noticed was that whenever we were a far distance from each other, he would start up the Rollout.

So I tried getting close, but I didn't know how, lol.

and since I play Marth, I want to know how to take care of Jigglypuff's (overall), and primarily Rollout. Nervousness; I can take care of by playing more and getting acquainted with the competitive scene. Also, what set-up's can I do is order to get a tipper?

Help me? Sorry about the wall of text, and please explain what you are trying to say, I hate the comments that go just like "Don't get hit." and etc. At least explain how to not get hit,

 

[EpicFear]

rollout...poke it? slash it?....move?

and i could be wrong but i'm moderately sure that a combination of forward and up-tilts will just **** aerial approaches.

 

[KosukeKGA]

Just space with F-Air, buddy. Lol.

Kill a Jiggs with U-Tilt or a throw to an F-Smash (if they DI the way which allows you too). Sometimes you'll have to chase them with a WD but that's fine.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

What %'s can I tip? or at least land an f-smash, (but he knows how to DI)

And he doesn't do Rollouts in the air.

 

[Miggz]

At low percents you can normally forward throw, forward throw to forward smash. I also attempt to use down throw to forward smash between 30% - 50%. Marth's tilts **** Jiggs. Around middle percents you can normally do forward throw to wavedash to forward smash/up tilt. Also remember that Marth's SHFFL Fair is your best friend. Another big part of this match up is the edge game. Its crucial that you don't waste your double jump when knocked off the stage. Jiggs has multiple "jumps" so if you use your double jump first she will easily take the kill by hitting you again.

As for actual edge guarding tips, you just have to keep your eyes on how many times Jiggs is using her jumps. I'm not to sure how many she has though. You can attempt to hit her with your Fair but refrain from jumping too far out, attempt to swat her when he comes near. Also, your down tilts are awesome to use if she tries to grab the edge. In a nutshell, the more times you hit her while she is off the stage...the better!

Hope that helps.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Sweet! Why didn't I think of doing that?

Oh, and what about dealing with the rollout?

 

[Miggz]

As for rollout ALL I do is wavedash/jump back and wait for him to release it. I normally jump over it, as countering it won't lead into anything too lethal. If there are platforms in your fight simply jump on a platform and wait for him to release the move. He's got to do it sometime. That move shouldn't be your biggest fear though, I'd fear rest way before rollout. lol

 

[sakuraZaKi]

He's not much of a rest dude. He'll use Rollout whenever he's a far distance from me.

Who knows, he might learn how to rest next time in the tournament on the 28th. Good thing it's MLG standard, if he picked FD every single time, I'm screwed xD

 

[Miggz]

Lol! Yeah I hope you own him the next time you play. Just try to relax and simply expect the unexpected when playing a new foe. In a sense two unfamiliar foes have mutual advantages in turns of not knowing what the foe is all about. So just keep in mind that they too just might think you are the superior one. =P

 

[ComboTurtle]

tbh if u cant dodge a rollout even on FD you've got real problems.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Nah, I can dodge. Its the "fake and come back" that gets me sometimes.

 

[Tomacawk]

Nah, I can dodge. Its the "fake and come back" that gets me sometimes.

have you tried jumping again?
airdodging?
spot dodging?
using your shield?
honestly. It's ROLLOUT.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Nervousness comes into play here.

I said that I'll just get over it eventually.

That said, because of nervousness, my brain didn't know how to spotdodge or shield the rollout.

 

[Brightside6382]

Judging by what you said the jiggly players has no idea what he's doing. space ur f-airs and do basic f-throw -> f-smash combo's and ur pretty much all good in the hood.

 

[ComboTurtle]

dude ****ing jump it then double jump then use your side b and the rollout wont hit you, either that or sit on a platform, or lightshield the first part then jump out of just hold ur shield, its really not something u should ever get hit by unless ur a spastic.

 

[Miggz]

Well I think you now know what to do. =P

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Obviously, lol.

I guess I was just wasn't thinking straight.

Thanks!

 

[IxxI]

Spam aerials. Long reach *****.

 

[Grey Belnades]

Nervousness comes into play here.

I said that I'll just get over it eventually.

That said, because of nervousness, my brain didn't know how to spotdodge or shield the rollout.

if you get nervous, just think of it as a normal match with people watching you
as for jigglypuff, i recommend using wario, i know how to use jiggly, and trust me, wario can be a pain to go against if your using jigglypuff

 

[KikoMePlease]

Buffer spot dodges.

 

[Miggz]

if you get nervous, just think of it as a normal match with people watching you
as for jigglypuff, i recommend using wario, i know how to use jiggly, and trust me, wario can be a pain to go against if your using jigglypuff

What the...erm this is the melee forums. There is no Wario...

 

[KosukeKGA]

I dunno, gamingblack, I'd rather pick Meta Knight.

 

[ComboTurtle]

Spam aerials. Long reach *****.

lol this guy is the next m2k

 

[Keblerelf]

Just hit jiggs with your sword when he uses rollout.

 

[Miggz]

Just hit jiggs with your sword when he uses rollout.

LOL! This was the best Marth advice ever. Well said.

 

[ComboTurtle]

LOL! This was the best Marth advice ever. Well said.

him and ixxi are prob related or something

 

[Miggz]

him and ixxi are prob related or something

Haha. Yeah I just read ixxi's comment. Yes I see the resemblance. =P

 

[AceDudeyeah]

Actually, I had a neighbor who picked up jigglypuff and creamed me by starting up rollout everytime he got away from me. He would even just upthrow then start rollout.

But, here's what I learned to do. I counter rollouts with shffl dair's with any character. Falco, marth, falcon, dairs.
Make sure you l-cancel 'em in case he tries to fake you out. When l-canceled you can't be punished by 'em unlike a missed f-smash.

ALSO use that side-b! Haha! The fun and joy of watching a helpless jigglypuff caught in your side-b(only the first slash that makes you turn red). Just keep using that first slash over and over and it's endless fun! haha. but if they learn to get out of it, just do 1 side-b to up-tilt. That's a killer combo if their too high for throw to fsmash. If that jiggs is too high for that, surely an uptilt will kill 'em. set up for that up-tilt with that side-b!

 

[Miggz]

Actually, I had a neighbor who picked up jigglypuff and creamed me by starting up rollout everytime he got away from me. He would even just upthrow then start rollout.

But, here's what I learned to do. I counter rollouts with shffl dair's with any character. Falco, marth, falcon, dairs.
Make sure you l-cancel 'em in case he tries to fake you out. When l-canceled you can't be punished by 'em unlike a missed f-smash.

ALSO use that side-b! Haha! The fun and joy of watching a helpless jigglypuff caught in your side-b(only the first slash that makes you turn red). Just keep using that first slash over and over and it's endless fun! haha. but if they learn to get out of it, just do 1 side-b to up-tilt. That's a killer combo if their too high for throw to fsmash. If that jiggs is too high for that, surely an uptilt will kill 'em. set up for that up-tilt with that side-b!

LOL! Using Marth's dair to counter rollout sounds llike a horrible idea. Not saying it doesn't work though.

 

[l0telephone0l]

Just jab rollout. All of your attacks outspace puff. Just learn how to space better. At low percentages, crouch cancel.

Honestly, you should spam your jab and tilts a lot. The key to beating a Puff is to not let them get close, as they don't have a disjointed hit box. BThrow or fthrow to fmash works if they don't DI right. Dthrow tends to send them too far. Otherwise, low percentage fairs to fsmash work nicely. You should be focusing on killing puff vertically though.

 

[AceDudeyeah]

LOL! Using Marth's dair to counter rollout sounds llike a horrible idea. Not saying it doesn't work though.

For some reason, it works!
It transferred over from my falco b/c he just ballerina's through out the air with his feet smacking whoever he jumps through...

Marth's dair IS a bad idea if u tend to miss l-cancels.....

 

[aeghrur]

Wouldn't Dtilt work against rollout?
I mean, it has long reach and has pretty small lag. =/

 

[Miggz]

Wouldn't Dtilt work against rollout?
I mean, it has long reach and has pretty small lag. =/

I think it can work, but then again...the down tilt would only be effective if its a tipper hit. So I think (not too sure) there is a possibility that Jiggz can simply mix up the movement of that move to avoid a tipper hit, which just might result in Marth getting hit hard. =P

 

[ComboTurtle]

attacking the roll out mid flight is generally a bad idea... sometime a fair or a counter works, i wouldnt really do anything else, hell i just run away and try and punish the end of it

 

[AceDudeyeah]

If anything, just jump in the air and also use your floaty side-B to stay in the air long enough to punish the lag of it if you don't wanna risk interrupting it instead.

 

[Miggz]

Combo turtle is the best. lol

 

[Binx]

I have jabbed rollouts before. Usually I just run as well, its scary but not really dangerous.

 

[IxxI]

Marth has a sword like 230947290347x Jiggly's hit box... Just spam SHFFL and D-tilts, you win.