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Gunman kills 33 on Virginia Tech campus

BigRick

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First of all, I would like to give my condoleances to the families of the victims, this is indeed a very sad event indeed...

Or perhaps the psychopath couldn't get a gun because of restrictions. I saw a bit on the news about how a previous shooter walked into a gun trade show and bought a few handguns withut a background check. Please enlighten me, how is that good?

I'm not saying GUNZ R BAD TAKE THEM AWAYZOR (Though imo, that's certainly a step in the right direction) but at least make the ability to get hold of one and store one a LOT better.
Hmm we do have gun control around here... however, it's kinda useless since I know plenty of people that own guns illegally. Most of them are gang members, and many of them are under 18...

Also, my city had its share of massacres: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_Shooting

I think the most important thing to do is prevention. The shooters are sick people and what they need is a treatment, before they go out and do something like this...

EDIT: I'm sorry... I didn't want to mean that Gun Control is useless, because it definitely helps in some cases. What I meant is that it won't solve everything (step in the right direction ^.^)
 

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Mic, I can't speak for CK in Louisiana but here in Tennessee there are guns everywhere and any one can get them. Hell, my roommate brought back a shotgun during Easter. Regardless, if some one wants a gun, they are going to be able to get them despite any imposing law or legality. This has no backing behind it other than rudimentary observation, but criminals in Memphis (easily one of the worst cities in America) do not get their guns leagally yet there is never a shortage of them. Greatly imposing those gun laws really only hurts the 99% of people that buy guns either for hunting, self defense, whatever by making them jump through hoops and waiting weeks or months to get a one.

In sum, psychopaths will always get a gun and typically don't get them legally anyways.
Good point. I presume drugs are also legal? Since criminals get them anywya, and laws would just screw over the 99% of the population that need it for medicinal or recreational uses.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see how something that can kill someone by pointing and pulling a trigger should ever be legal, with the exception of things like hunting and sporting events, but even then guns should always be locked up aftrwards.

And perhaps if there were tighter gun control issues there wouldn't be as many people selling the illegal weapons because they would be getting cracked down on. Sure, there's always going to be people doing illegal things, but surly making it harder for them would still be a good move, even if a few people have to wait an extra week and fill out and extra form or 2?
 

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Well yeah I think Mic is right.It would surely be something more if they could just restrict the gun controls.I mean a 18 year old guy (Which is actually still a boy) must not be allowed to have a shotgun at his disposal! And that he cannot get a gun unless he has a clean record doesnt say much, he could just "dirty" his record after the purchase of the shotgun.
 

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All of the tech students that play smash are ok. We couldn't reach this one guy for a while though and he was in the engineering department. But for some unknown reason his class was canceled the night before. you keep hearing about all these strange things that probably saved alot of people. The same thing happened at columbine.
 

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I'm sorry, but I just don't see how something that can kill someone by pointing and pulling a trigger should ever be legal.
Because it made killing a lot easier and anyone can pull a trigger therefore it seemed logical because armies could get bigger and stronger so countries could be stronger and take over smaller countries. personal gain is what drives the world it is kinda sad but true

I mean a 18 year old guy (Which is actually still a boy)
not true 18 year olds are adults(they pay taxes and can be drafted the only thing that is illeagle is the purches or consumption of alchol) and the adult term for male is a man.

amd as for gun control look at england their police officers dont even carry guns and they have a low crime rate compaired to the US

then again they are a much smaller country and not the place with the "American Dream" which most people come here looking for it fail and turn to a life of crime hmm is there a problem here.

**** i sound kinda pesimistic oh well
 

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AS Money I know that after the age of 18 you are boy no more but think about it...Mentally you haven't matured enough to be able to be called a man! You're a man when you actually can stand up for yourself and needing not the financial support of your parents! So technically most "men" around the age of 18 are still "boys" :p
 

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FYI the legal age for being an adult in Quebec is 18 (and 19 for the rest of Canada I believe). That means smoking, drinking, driving, gambling, voting, etc. is allowed at age 18.
 

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That ****ed up killer sent pics to msnbc before he did it.

I think it's the pressure his parents put on him. Apparently he had no friends and i bet all the pressure his parents put on him to go to college and get straight A's caught up to him. He started playing ****ed up video games and started to get into killing things. He decided one day before April 16 that why not end his life in an exciting way. People like this should be pointed out immediately if someone comes across one.

My condolensces for the families of the victims. These young people had potential, and were loved, and one messed up ******* ruined them all.
 

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Does anyone know the penalty for selling guns illegally? I personally think it should be a life sentence behind bars if they're actually stupid enough to sell dangerous weapons to people without doing backround checks and the like.

Warning. Confusing mindset ahead. (I hope I can make this understandable because it is a hard thing to describe.)
not true 18 year olds are adults
I'd have to dissagree. I know that maturity varies with each individual person, but most 18 year olds are just as foolish as those younger than them. Most 18 year olds start thinking they're adults because 18 the the milestone our culture has set up. I, however, have always belived that having this mindset is the first step to truely becoming one. Just because 18 year olds start having the same responsibilities as adults doesn't automatically make them one. How could it if for most of their lives before they were considered children and even thought of themselves as such? Experiences as a child dont make someone an adult. Experiences as an "adult" (the premature, age 18 kind who believe they are) are what truely make someone an adult.
 

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Va. Tech gunman sent material to NBC

By MATT APUZZO, AP National Writer


BLACKSBURG, Va. - Midway through his murderous rampage, the Virginia Tech gunman went to the post office and mailed NBC a package containing photos and videos of him brandishing guns and delivering a snarling, profanity-laced tirade about rich "brats" and their "hedonistic needs."

"You had a hundred billion chances and ways to have avoided today," 23-year-old Cho Seung-Hui says in a harsh monotone. "But you decided to spill my blood. You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option. The decision was yours. Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off."
NBC said the package contained a rambling and often-incoherent, 1,800-word video manifesto, plus 43 photos, 11 of them showing him aiming handguns at the camera.
He repeatedly suggests he was picked on or otherwise hurt.

"You have vandalized my heart, ***** my soul and torched my conscience," he says, apparently reading from his manifesto. "You thought it was one pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people."
The package arrived at NBC's headquarters in New York two days after Cho killed 32 people and committed suicide in the deadliest one-man shooting rampage in modern U.S. history. It bore a Postal Service time stamp showing that it had been mailed at a Virginia post office at 9:01 a.m. Monday, about an hour and 45 minutes after Cho first opened fire.

That would help explain one of the biggest mysteries about the massacre: where the gunman was and what he did during that two-hour window between the first burst of gunfire, at a high-rise dorm, and the second fusillade, at a classroom building.

"Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats," says Cho, a South Korean immigrant whose parents work at a dry cleaners in surburban Washington. "Your golden necklaces weren't enough, you snobs. Your trust funds wasn't enough. Your vodka and cognac wasn't enough. All your debaucheries weren't enough. Those weren't enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything."

Some of the pictures show him smiling; others show him frowning and snarling. Some depict him brandishing two weapons at a time, one in each hand. He wears a khaki-colored military-style vest, fingerless gloves, a black T-shirt, a backpack and a backwards, black baseball cap. Another photo shows him swinging a hammer two-fisted. Another shows an angry-looking Cho holding a gun to his temple.
He refers to "martyrs like Eric and Dylan" — a reference to the teenage killers in the Columbine High massacre.

The package was sent by overnight delivery but did not arrive at NBC until Wednesday morning. It had apparently been delayed because it had the wrong ZIP code, NBC said.
An alert postal employee brought the package to NBC's attention after noticing the Blacksburg return address and a name similar to the words reportedly found scrawled in red ink on Cho's arm after the bloodbath, "Ismail Ax," NBC said.

NBC News President Steve Capus said that the network received the package around noon and notified the FBI. He said the FBI asked NBC to hold off reporting on it so that the bureau could look at it first, and NBC complied, finally breaking the story just before a police announcement of the package at 4:30 p.m.
Capus said it was clear Cho videotaped himself, because he could be seen leaning in to shut off the camera.
State Police Spokeswoman Corinne Geller cautioned that, while the package was mailed between the two shootings, police have not inspected the footage and have yet to establish exactly when the images were made.
 

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Intersecting on a Fateful Day, Lives That Spanned the Country and the World

By PAM BELLUCK
Published: April 18, 2007
They may have been living in Blacksburg, Va., but they came from all over the world. And even many of those from places like Saugus, Mass., or Roanoke, Va., were undertaking global pursuits like studying French or German or majoring in international relations.


Among those killed were a major in animal science from Woodville, Va., who was an avid equestrian; an engineering graduate student from Puerto Rico who loved salsa and played in a band; a red belt in tae kwan do from Vienna, Va., who wanted to breed dogs; and a graduate student from Louisville, Ky., who was an avid fan of the Virginia Tech football team.

Liviu Librescu, 76, a professor who had done groundbreaking work in aeronautical engineering, was born in Romania and survived the Holocaust, only to be killed on Yom Hashoah, the international day that commemorates Holocaust victims.

Students said Professor Librescu had blocked the door to his classroom to prevent the gunman from entering. A daughter-in-law, Ayala Librescu, who lives in Ra’anana, near Tel Aviv, told Ynet, the Web site of the Hebrew daily Yediot Aharonot: “He must have realized that the murderer was approaching. He saved his students and was killed by gunshots.”

At least four other teachers were killed, including Jocelyne Couture-Nowak, a French teacher from Montreal, and Jamie Bishop, 35, an instructor in German language and literature who studied at the University of Georgia and also spent several years in Germany. Ms. Couture-Nowak’s husband, Jerzy Nowak, teaches horticulture at Virginia Tech, and Mr. Bishop’s wife, Stefanie Hofer, teaches in the German program.

G. V. Loganathan, 51, born in Chennai in southern India, had been teaching civil and environmental engineering at Virginia Tech for 25 years, specializing in the analysis and design of water systems.

Nammalwar Sriranganathan, who teaches bacteriology at Virginia Tech, said Dr. Loganathan was part of a close-knit Indian community of 700 students and 70 families who got together often for Hindu prayer meetings and social gatherings.

Kevin P. Granata, 45, was considered an up-and-coming researcher in his fields, muscle and reflex response, robotics and the mechanics of walking and running.

“He was one of the top five biomechanics researchers in the country working on movement dynamics in cerebral palsy,” Dr. Ishwar K. Puri, the dean of engineering, said in a statement. “The use of his research by other scholars worldwide had put him on a trajectory to become a notable star in these fields.”

Among the slain students were at least four international studies majors and at least eight engineering majors, including graduate students. At least three students were gunned down in a French class and several in a German class.

Henry Lee, 20, a freshman from Roanoke, Va., had achieved much despite significant odds. He was born in China as Henh P. Ly and his parents came to the United States when he was in elementary school, said Susan Lewyer Willis, the principal at William Fleming High School, who said he changed his name to Henry Lee when he became a citizen last year.

In high school, in addition to working at a Sears store, he was such a diligent student that he won nearly all the awards in his senior year, including the Burger King award, which entitled every classmate to a card with Mr. Lee’s picture on it that could be exchanged for a free Whopper.

As salutatorian, he was asked to give a speech but was so nervous that he had to be coaxed into it, Ms. Willis said.

“He said to them,” she recounted, “ ‘Imagine sitting in class not knowing the language. Now I am No. 2 in my class.’ It was such a proud moment.”

Jarrett Lane, 22, a civil engineering major, was valedictorian of his high school class in Narrows, Va., as well as a four-sport athlete who also played the trombone.

“He was an exceptional young man,” said Robert Stump, the Narrows High School principal. “Very quiet and humble, and very popular.

“He was always one of the hardest workers,” Mr. Stump continued. “One day, right after he’d had a good basketball game, he went up to the coach, and said, ‘Coach, what do I have to work on so we can be better?’ That’s the type of person he was.”

Ross Abdallah Alameddine, 20, a sophomore from Saugus, Mass., was known as fun loving and full of humor, friends said.

Leah Robinson, 20, befriended Mr. Alameddine last semester when they discovered they were the lone nonmusic majors in a music theory class. Mr. Alameddine was a “hardcore” fan of the jazz trio Medeski, Martin and Wood and loved the grilled chicken sandwiches at the West End Market dining hall and the teal Pontiac Grand Am that he had won in a raffle.

“He called it the car he got for a dollar,” Ms. Robinson said.

Reema Samaha, 18, a freshman and Lebanese-American from Centreville, Va., who was killed in the French class, was an avid dancer and actor who won awards in high school for her performances in productions like “Fiddler on the Roof.” A family friend, Luann McNabb, said Ms. Samaha had won the high school talent show with a belly dance.

“She was so full of joy,” Ms. McNabb said through tears.

And Daniel O’Neil, 22, a graduate student in environmental engineering from Lincoln, R.I., played guitar and wrote songs with titles like “Missing You” and “Typical Love Song.”

Mr. O’Neil’s high school yearbook, according to The Providence Journal, reflected a lighthearted optimism and a fondness for things Disney. He quoted a signature phrase from the Lion King, “Hakuna Matata,” that was translated as “No Worries” in Swahili.

Accompanying his photograph was this quotation: “Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die. Life ain’t a track meet, it’s a marathon.”


A sad article indeed.
 

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I watched the MSNBC clips and it was ghoulish. Other than his praising "Eric and Dylan" as martyrs (which is sick enough) there is a look of utter determination in his eyes as he made the videos and pictures. It's truly, truly, horrible.
 

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Does I know that maturity varies with each individual person, but most 18 year olds are just as foolish as those younger than them. Most 18 year olds start thinking they're adults because 18 the the milestone our culture has set up.
Exactly. How many people under 22 manage to get drunk and crash a car, killing/seriously injuring people? Too many. Why? They're idiots. This is why guns shouldn't be so easy to get. They kill people with things used for transport, they should not be getting hold of something actually designed for the act of killing.

Especially with what CK said ("US has a high stress level for college and school children. Almost as high as China which if kids fail, they commit suicide.") that should be even more of a reason to increase the age needed to get acess to a firearm.

The fact that the killer was reported for "stalking" a few girls on campus and later was sent to a mental hospital for examination, really makes you wonder how this happened. He might have exagerated but when he said "You had a hundred billion chances and ways to have avoided today," he's right. So many chances to have stopped him but he fell through the cracks. :(
 

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FYI, Background checks only check for criminal records and serious mental problems. (psychosis schizophrenia, and a few other problems that are harmful to others) Depression, and thusly suicidal tendencies aren't a limiting factor yet. Though, I will say they should be. Giving a firearm to someone who is suicidal is just a dangerous as some who is homicidal.

Mic, you take the quote completely out of context. He was referring to a scenario he created where he felt mistreated by those around him. He lashed out against the privileged, yet he was in an American college, making him more privileged than plenty others. Also, the teacher who was disturbed by his writings reported to him to campus police, but because of several laws in place, he couldn't be forced to go to therapy and he committed no crime.
 

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My brother has a few shotguns in his closet. They're kind of old, but they'll kill.

His boss got new hunting equipment, didn't know what to do with his old stuff, and just gave them to him.



Guns aren't going anywhere. Once America has a right, chances are, it's not going away. (See: Prohibition)

If someone wants a gun, they'll get one. No matter if it's legal or not. It's not hard to do. Gun control is pretty much an oxymoron.
 

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This is totally horryfying that a mentally sick student would just be quiet and suddently his timebomb exploded and started going on a rampage just shooting whom ever was in his way, I think that this tragedy is very sad and I think that this could have been prevented if he would have gotten some mental help from some professionals but yet he had a gun at his disposal and used that to let out his real emotions
 

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Abolish your 2nd amendment already.

Set a date when from then on owning a gun without the correct papers etc is illegal and people can turn them in before hand. Set up a couple new laws to help the police etc and you should have handled half of it. Not saying it will get rid of it completely.

High stress? I don't know what is expected from parents in America but over here it sounds like every second week students are boozing it up. Frat parties, sorority girls. Of course I don't know how often that happens but it doesn't sound anymore stressful then it does over here. If parents are saying get straight A's tell them their expectations are too high.

The guy had mental health problems and nothing was done. Fix your laws. They aren't working as intended.

Crime isn't spectacuarly low over here, the rise of chav culture is a testament to that. People are exploiting our laws and the police don't get any respect.

I do ask however, how many school stabbings do you get in the states and Canada? They definately seem to be increasing over here in the UK. That's pretty much our version of school shootings, though usually only one person dies.

Reminds me a little bit about the premise of the Battle Royales, of course, it will never come to that, but it does make me think.
 

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Second amendment or not, I'd still own a firearm as it's my natural right to protect my property. I own myself, so I can protect myself. End of discussion.
 

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Now the police is investigating everything about the guy, from his past to his ebay account. Cool.
 
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Completely unbelievable.It's time likes these in which you question the motives of the human mind,and in the end,you conclude that human sanity in all society is completely desicrated.

I send my condolences to the families.
 

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The only thing i am curious about is how a guy who was declared an imidiate threat to himself and othersgot a hold of 2 guns.
 

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no i dont go to tech but im good friends with omar samaha, the brother of a girl killed in the massacre. apparently the killer also graduated in my class from my HS. i read some of this thread and im sure the families of the deceased would be happy to know the kind words that you all have said. thanks
 
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