Growing MD/VA's scene

[TheTantalus]

From what I can tell, MD/VA isn't dead or dying

It's more or less no one wants to attend ChuDat biweeklies. Planned or last minute, they always flop. I think the last 5 or 6 in a row have, going back to summer. It has nothing to do with location. I'm pretty sure these are the reasons:

1. People don't like the way you run tournaments (seed yourself away from people you don't want to play, randomly change rules and payouts to your liking, never post results thread or bracket)
2. The houses is super crammed with even 20 people there
3. You always have these after big tournaments when everyone wants to take a break
4. You don't advertise on AiB.
5. ChuDat chronicles

All those factors put together pretty much explain the consistent low to no turnout of these events.

Anyways, I think if you want to do successful events, you're going to need a new venue, Chu. And you're probably going to want to be closer to MD. The VA scene seems pretty limited ATM, Wall street, Woodbridge, and Originals is it. MD seems to have tons of new players and up and comings.

 

[SOVAman]

4. You don't advertise on AiB.

wtf

you say the most random stupid ****

 

[EPsilon933]

So AiB is actually active and useful? Well, maybe (only) for Chu since he's banned here

 

[B0NK]

It's more or less no one wants to attend ChuDat biweeklies. Planned or last minute,

2. The houses is super crammed with even 20 people there
3. You always have these after big tournaments when everyone wants to take a break
4. You don't advertise on AiB.
5. ChuDat chronicles

What I quoted above is what I believe you are wrong about.

People wanted to come to Chu's, Maryland said they had a full car, I went and went back because no one was there or seemed to be coming.

His house being "crammed" is no big deal because people can step outside, and people haven't had a problem with that or other house tournies in the past. The size is plenty adequate to run a tourney. (Precedent: Five Guys, cramped, people still enjoyed it, 63 single entrants)

There are plenty of locals that don't go out to those "Big" tournament and don't need a break. For one this tourney was in VA allowing those who could not make it out of the way to your tourney last week. (Precedent: Veterans, held on the same day as a big tourney in NJ (either prototype or ktar, can't recall) Right before a MLG event, 45 single entrants)

AiB.... lol MD/VA is primarily based on Smashboards. This is nothing new. While I'm not saying it hurts it's definitely not a deciding factor on whether an event is successful or not. (Precedent: Plenty of events in MD/VA are never on AiB)

Chudat Chronicles only added to the hype and brought in OoS attendence. OoS that didn't know that stuff about chu prior to him posting it found it hilarious. Many locals already knew about that stuff and never stopped them from coming out to his events.

I find it funny that you give advice like this Tant. I'm not saying you are a bad TO, your a GREAT TO at running a tournament. But you have a problem seeing what it is that make people come out to events, and I've never seen you hold any huge without the assistant of others to do the inside work such as finding a venue or giving you incentives.

Your last event brought in less people than both of me and Brandon's events. And I'm sure less than stuff VGBootCamp has done in the past. Not only that but me and Brandon's events had NO OoS attendance and still got more people. Your event also had the nice boost of Pound 5 entry incentive and a venue you didn't have to search or pay for. You got the connections, that I can see, but you can't necessarily set something up like that completely by yourself without these connections. So I find it funny you give advice like this.

What is keeping his biweeklies from being successful is his reputation on how the events run. Which would have happen to this event. Once again this event wouldn't have started on time, probably would have started really late, ending at the usual 1 or 2am that no one wants to do. I'm pretty sure Falls Church lost the motivation to go when they called Chu and found he was still asleep. Also this event did not have any prior notice. Neither did his other events really. 2 Months prior notice is what is pretty much necessary to hold a hyped event and bring out people. Gives them plenty of time to plan and sets the date.

And people don't even want to use Chu biweeklies as smashfest to get better at this point. That's MD/VA's fault not Chu's.

 

[KageMurphy]

Last weeks event had a good attendance in 3 of the 4 events(teams always are iffy) and was held over the spand of 2 days. You can't compare them till you host a 2 day event and side events as well dawg cause some people only entered one event, with there being twice the amount of things to enter then yours u can't accurately compare numbers. Not mention bringing in OOS is never a bad thing D:

 

[B0NK]

Bring in more people without OoS. (Which me and Brandon accomplished... twice) Strong local scene = more incentive for OoS to come. More locals + OoS would bring entrants close to 100 easily.

Our events brought in the target audience (MD/VA locals) and sorry we can't have OoS incentive like Pound 5 entry without taking the money out of our pockets. He didn't even have to find a venue to hold said two day event. (Also Five Guys brought in 79 people if we are talking about both events)

Plain and simple he is fortunate and has the connections. I'm not saying he can't run events, I'm well aware he is very good at it. (There's a reason he is running the Brawl tourney at pound.)

I'm saying some of his points were wrong and his background in running tourneys like these without all these great connections is limited.

 

[KageMurphy]

I know what you're saying Steven, I was just saying. Getting the local scene there was amazing, specially since some parts we kinda just winged it haha

 

[boss8]

so chu biweeklys are dead now???

o well i guess VA lost another turney place....

wait....da **** do i care about? im done wit dis game....

teams is still free though...

 

[B0NK]

I know what you're saying Steven, I was just saying. Getting the local scene there was amazing, specially since some parts we kinda just winged it haha

looool tru, not to mention dealing with management the day before and day of >.<

I'd love to run an event with you again, but Brandon doesn't play this game anymore and I don't live here half the year =/ Maybe during the summer we'll get something going again.

 

[Kaffei]

i dont want chu biweeklies to die noooooooooo
everything else is too far

 

[SOVAman]

We all quit in VA anyways except the try hards

like bengalz, kenny and chu

so if people wanna go to tourney you gotta go to MD, not like it matters anyways lol

 

[EPsilon933]

Convert to Melee guys!

 

[KageMurphy]

Bonk let's try and make that happen, sovaFGT will play teams with me anytime

 

[B0NK]

in that case WE IN THERE!!!

 

[TheTantalus]

I've admitted my hosting abilities are weak and I'm looking to improve. I'm trying to build my own franchise, and that was a good way to start.

But I actually had a ton of new players showed up from aib who only entered one event. It's a start.

Anyways, I'm offering advice, since things aren't going so well. I'll just keep quiet now, since trying to help out is apparently bad.

 

[boss8]

poor tant =[

dude was jus tryna help....o well

 

[SOVAman]

poor tant =[

dude was jus tryna help....o well

lmaoooooo

get ***** tant

 

[Sleek Media]

I've admitted my hosting abilities are weak and I'm looking to improve. I'm trying to build my own franchise, and that was a good way to start.

But I actually had a ton of new players showed up from aib who only entered one event. It's a start.

Anyways, I'm offering advice, since things aren't going so well. I'll just keep quiet now, since trying to help out is apparently bad.

Actually, I agreed with your points. I'd also like to add that we need more SMASHFESTS and not just tourneys. Sorry, I'm totally over paying $10 to sit there and have to timeout some cheap spammy Samus player on Rainbow Cruise. I just want to play for fun.

 

[SOVAman]

Actually, I agreed with your points. I'd also like to add that we need more SMASHFESTS and not just tourneys. Sorry, I'm totally over paying $10 to sit there and have to timeout some cheap spammy Samus player on Rainbow Cruise. I just want to play for fun.

There are smashfest all the time you just gotta know the right people -_^b

 

[BMX]

Actually, I agreed with your points. I'd also like to add that we need more SMASHFESTS and not just tourneys. Sorry, I'm totally over paying $10 to sit there and have to timeout some cheap spammy Samus player on Rainbow Cruise. I just want to play for fun.

timing... out... a samus?

you fuggin suck -_^b

 

[boss8]

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFL

-dead-

 

[Kaffei]

Actually, I agreed with your points. I'd also like to add that we need more SMASHFESTS and not just tourneys. Sorry, I'm totally over paying $10 to sit there and have to timeout some cheap spammy Samus player on Rainbow Cruise. I just want to play for fun.

lolz if you think that's cheap then you probably shouldn't be coming.

 

[Coney]

Actually, I agreed with your points. I'd also like to add that we need more SMASHFESTS and not just tourneys. Sorry, I'm totally over paying $10 to sit there and have to timeout some cheap spammy Samus player on Rainbow Cruise. I just want to play for fun.

first off, this sounds awfully entitled. who are you to say what the community NEEDS? haven't you only been to one tournament? i get what you're saying, i hate the idea of people forking over money just to go 0-2 against good players, but you haven't really gone to anything. and from the way you talk, i imagine you'd just get pissy when someone got "spammy" and not wanna play anyway. if you just want people to play with, find a club or something. if you want to get BETTER, that's what smashfests are supposed to be about.

i honestly think what we NEEDED was something like tant's event. it was great, had an overnight smashfest, encouraged a lot of local talent, just a great event overall. i'd like to see more stuff like that. there are places around here that can do it.

omni's smashfests were great, but he's since lost passion for the game. there are usually some here and there pretty often, and they're usually advertised, it's just not a formal date or anything.

 

[BMX]

first off, this sounds awfully entitled. who are you to say what the community NEEDS? haven't you only been to one tournament? i get what you're saying, i hate the idea of people forking over money just to go 0-2 against good players, but you haven't really gone to anything. and from the way you talk, i imagine you'd just get pissy when someone got "spammy" and not wanna play anyway. if you just want people to play with, find a club or something. if you want to get BETTER, that's what smashfests are supposed to be about.

i honestly think what we NEEDED was something like tant's event. it was great, had an overnight smashfest, encouraged a lot of local talent, just a great event overall. i'd like to see more stuff like that. there are places around here that can do it.

omni's smashfests were great, but he's since lost passion for the game. there are usually some here and there pretty often, and they're usually advertised, it's just not a formal date or anything.

don't worry about him, he times out samus.

In all seriousness, a lot of smashers have lost passion for the tourney scene. Not the game, of course because this game is too much fun. Clearly, this needs to be addressed if there's going to be any future attendance.

 

[Coney]

what are the problems?

maybe this is something for another thread, but what specific problems are there with the tournament scene that drive people away? not challenging you, just asking

 

[B0NK]

^^^This

More so because any TO would like to know this information to improve.

also LMAO @ this Sleek Media character xD

 

[BMX]

From my own perspective:

1. I believe teams are a definite problem. It is an unfair balance of 3-5 teams consisting of two pros taking everyone out and making other lower ranked teams feel depressed about themselves. Considering the fact that doubles is the first event that takes place, it makes possible tourney entrants shy away from the singles tourney. This, of course, cannot be solved because no one has the power to force anyone to team with anyone. In the end, it's all about face, money, and competition.

2. Tournament location is a big problem, as well. We all live in different areas and a tournament location is always objectionable. It'll either be very close to some smashers while it'll be a far drive to others. The fact that we say we will come to a tournament 3 weeks before it happens and then turn back on our word the day before makes for an uneasy attendance. It always makes possible attendees say I don't wanna go if these smashers don't wanna go. Just like number 1, we can't force people to come, but we can give incentives for those who do come. My boy, Snap, is hosting a tourney Jan 15th and is giving cash incentives to those who have a lengthy drive to make to arrive to his tourney. It is a brilliant idea, in my opinion because it makes the tourney a lot more appealing. I believe that we need to the same for the sake of appeal(not the cash incentive, just throwing that out as an example). Tant's was very far for us Woodbridge peeps, but it was worth it. Unfortunately, my friend who drove us didn't like the tourney because he felt Tant didn't care.

3. The pros don't give a crap to those less than themselves. Obviously, this isn't true with most people because I've seen some pros talking to newbies and helping them as well. There is an easy solution to this. Sit down and play them. Teach them things about Brawl. This makes first timers come back for more. Please start doing this because the Smash community is suffering as it is.

I really don't see any other problems, but I haven't gone to many tourneys recently. These are the problems I see through my eyes, so take it with a grain of salt. I actually love what Tant is doing, so keep it up. For some of you pros, I know you've been trying to help those with less skill than yourselves, so keep that up.

10-_^b

I can't believe I typed this. O___O Y'all are the reason I don't go to tourneys now.

 

[Kaffei]

I'm very new to the tourney scene so I can't exactly say much but I think the pro ppl should welcome the noob ppl more and teach them like bonk said.
When I came everyone was very welcoming to me and everyone gave me advice when i asked for it and stuff but i notice other noobs and u guys dont talk to them.

 

[SOVAman]

From my own perspective:

1. I believe teams are a definite problem. It is an unfair balance of 3-5 teams consisting of two pros taking everyone out and making other lower ranked teams feel depressed about themselves. Considering the fact that doubles is the first event that takes place, it makes possible tourney entrants shy away from the singles tourney. This, of course, cannot be solved because no one has the power to force anyone to team with anyone. In the end, it's all about face, money, and competition.

2. Tournament location is a big problem, as well. We all live in different areas and a tournament location is always objectionable. It'll either be very close to some smashers while it'll be a far drive to others. The fact that we say we will come to a tournament 3 weeks before it happens and then turn back on our word the day before makes for an uneasy attendance. It always makes possible attendees say I don't wanna go if these smashers don't wanna go. Just like number 1, we can't force people to come, but we can give incentives for those who do come. My boy, Snap, is hosting a tourney Jan 15th and is giving cash incentives to those who have a lengthy drive to make to arrive to his tourney. It is a brilliant idea, in my opinion because it makes the tourney a lot more appealing. I believe that we need to the same for the sake of appeal(not the cash incentive, just throwing that out as an example). Tant's was very far for us Woodbridge peeps, but it was worth it. Unfortunately, my friend who drove us didn't like the tourney because he felt Tant didn't care.

3. The pros don't give a crap to those less than themselves. Obviously, this isn't true with most people because I've seen some pros talking to newbies and helping them as well. There is an easy solution to this. Sit down and play them. Teach them things about Brawl. This makes first timers come back for more. Please start doing this because the Smash community is suffering as it is.

I really don't see any other problems, but I haven't gone to many tourneys recently. These are the problems I see through my eyes, so take it with a grain of salt. I actually love what Tant is doing, so keep it up. For some of you pros, I know you've been trying to help those with less skill than yourselves, so keep that up.

10-_^b

I can't believe I typed this. O___O Y'all are the reason I don't go to tourneys now.

tl;dr

also @ Kaffei pro players don't give a **** about new players they just want your money lmao

 

[Kaffei]

the sad truth

T.T

 

[TheTantalus]

Yeah I'm really sorry about the WB friend who came and I think I messed up something in the signups for him, ugh.

Very very sorry about that.

At any rate, we'll be doing pools going forward all the time, because it was definitely the money's worth for everyone. People got a ton of unique experiences and matchups and we definitely saw a ton of surprises.

 

[SOVAman]

Yeah I'm really sorry about the WB friend who came and I think I messed up something in the signups for him, ugh.

Very very sorry about that.

you......didn't enter........dre

you fuggin suck -_^b

 

[Coney]

At any rate, we'll be doing pools going forward all the time, because it was definitely the money's worth for everyone. People got a ton of unique experiences and matchups and we definitely saw a ton of surprises.

awesome. awesome awesome.

also tbh i think part of the fault is on the less-talented players. i see a bunch of new people kinda just...not playing, i guess. or playing in their own little groups.

if you wanna play better people, you have to make the move yourself. you can't expect a top player to come up to someone they don't even know and ask to play, they're always going to ask someone they know, someone at or around their skill level because it's what they feel comfortable with. you have to ask them, get acquainted with them. you can't really just expect them to come to you.

if you want to get better, you have to be able to show the initiative, i guess is what i'm trying to say.

i'm kinda guilty of this myself (smokey asked me to play once before i played winners finals @ xanadu and i said no, i was getting ready for the set) but i'm personally weird about playing friendlies during tourney anyway :<

 

[SOVAman]

awesome. awesome awesome.

gay. gay gay.

 

[xxCANDYxx]

What Coney said.

If you want to get better, get aquainted with the pros. Suck on our *****, we like that.

 

[SOVAman]

also are you sure smokey didn't ask you to............................BATTLE?

 

[Kaffei]

What Coney said.

If you want to get better, get aquainted with the pros. Suck on our *****, we like that.

ok i already do that

 

[Coney]

then you're halfway there!

oh also tbh i don't like initiating friendlies with players i don't know because ddd isn't really a friendly character

if i can beat them without chaingrabbing i feel like i'm sandbagging and they don't think i care, and if they're good enough that i have to chaingrab i feel like i'm making people hate the game

it's a delicate dance

 

[Omni]

wtf @ all this talking

if you're new you prove yourself and earn your keep into the community. this ain't barney's sing-a-long where we introduce "tommy the new kid" into our playground fun.

@boss: stop whining about md/va being dead mangz. you only do that when nobody shows up to Chu's. you should know by now that it is what it is yo. chu's place don't got that swag no more. more people from MD go further south for Woodbridge or Fredericksburg so no johns

here i'll show you how ur suppose to do it

1.) enter the new scene
2.) bass at the glory that is Omni and the rest of the smash scene
3.) realize how good we are
4.) do your own homework. dont ask us to spoon feed you. get near our level with your own ability
5.) earn respect
6.) ???
7.) profit

just sayin

 

[Kaffei]

omni did u quit? just wondering cus i hear u're losing interest


@coney

then you're halfway there!

oh also tbh i don't like initiating friendlies with players i don't know because ddd isn't really a friendly character

if i can beat them without chaingrabbing i feel like i'm sandbagging and they don't think i care, and if they're good enough that i have to chaingrab i feel like i'm making people hate the game

it's a delicate dance

Ugh I have the same feeling as MK -.-