Gosh Ness was Awesome.

[ShaolinAce]

I remember in this game he was a god. I could PK thunder a bomb thrown at me in mid air. His yo yo stopped everything and edgarded beastly. And his spike oh god his spike.

One of these days he'll be back. Hopefully. Brawl almost did it.

 

[SmashThugZ]

He sounds unstoppable

 

[ShaolinAce]

He was unstopable. Except for Kirby.

 

[SmashThugZ]

Was? Why isnt he still unstoppable? Surely, game mechanics dont change.
So anyone playing Smash 64 could just choose Ness and be unstoppable.

 

[aequitas.veritas]

no offense, but you guys dont know what the hell youre talking about. ness was a top tier character, but any good player can counter his tactics fine, and in NO way was he broken or the best.

**edit** im not saying that they didnt destroy him in melee (o god) or in brawl (a lil better) because they did. he got totally nerfed.

 

[ShaolinAce]

I would say he was the best. He had the best recovery, best projectile, and best smashes. He was the best.

 

[aequitas.veritas]

best recovery? maybe
best projectile goes to link hands down (ness pkfire is easily di-able)
best smashes? his bat was very nice, upsmash/dsmash almost useless (some uses for dsmash but limited) best smash award has to go to someone else, maybe even kirby or, do i dare, dk. (im trying to think of who doesnt have good smashes, most have good ones)

i will say his ability to sbj was awesome and lead to a few good combos, and he did, along with pikachu, fox, and dk, have the best throw.

 

[Mr. Rogu]

ya ness was the best. in melee he was ok, and brawl hes almost like in the original. but that doesnt mean he was unbeatable when facing other people.

 

[Wenbobular]

...This is so amusing.

 

[JaimeHR]

Ness is weak.

Spoiler

On all 3 Smash games

 

[ShaolinAce]

Maybe I went overboard by saying he was unstopable. But you know what I'm getting at. He was good.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

ness sucks

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

He had the best recovery

hahhahahahahhahah.

 

[SmashThugZ]

You sound pro, aequitas.veritas.
Want to play online 1v1?

 

[Dash_Fox]

Ness Upsmash and Dsmash useless? Give me a break! I like those moves don't ruin my dream!

NESS DJC FAIR NAIR DAIR all you need to know. get that 3 hit combo off the ledge and you win.

 

[aequitas.veritas]

hahhahahahahhahah.

dylan, you DO know you can use the up b to recover right haha? if youre good, its really not hard and actually a very offensive recovery. its so hard to screw it up once you get the hang of it. and its not gimpable unless someone blocks the thunder before it hits you (that part sucks)

You sound pro, aequitas.veritas.
Want to play online 1v1?

ya, i have to say im like a good 4th tier (way above the throw/smash stage and i combo but below the unstoppable isai combo stage). i used to dabble on pj64 and do alright but it was really hard getting used to the computer controller and the lag so im never on there . if youre from so cal, id love to play though.

Ness Upsmash and Dsmash useless? Give me a break! I like those moves don't ruin my dream!

NESS DJC FAIR NAIR DAIR all you need to know. get that 3 hit combo off the ledge and you win.

haha, ya thats a good combo. but personally i never used his upsmash. not very good knockback and not really comboable (utilt, uair are better). the dsmash i only ever use if someone is coming behind me or coming back to the stage, but even when edgegaurding i find it better just to jump and meteor spike.

i would remember though that you have to think about the person you are playing. when playing ness, stay away from the edge unless you are on the complete offensive. it cuts most of his tier/spiking/throw advantage away.



and to the person who wrote this topic, yeah i agree with you. ness was a beast. im not gonna negate that haha. im just saying i dont think he deserves to be called the best.

 

[greenblob]

Ness's recovery is awesome...if your opponent lets you back on.

 

[ShaolinAce]

Why would the opponant even dare come near you? Half the time you are gonna get blasted. Mostly. It has alot of range.

I don't understand why peaple are saying Ness sucks. Guess they never played the game.

 

[Vlade]

hehe ironically its a shame he got nerfed big time in ssbm and brawl

 

[slickmasterizzy]

i cant believe no one talked about how powerful ness throws were
thats why i liked him so much.
all that other stuff too sure but the throws were nice too

oh and B-down was nice too =D
especially on the biggest stage in ss64 (great fox) free health? THANKS SLIPPY!

 

[Fireblaster]

Why would the opponant even dare come near you? Half the time you are gonna get blasted. Mostly. It has alot of range.

I don't understand why peaple are saying Ness sucks. Guess they never played the game.

*looks at your join date*

1v1 Money match? Your Ness vs. my whatever (you can pick).

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

dylan, you DO know you can use the up b to recover right haha? if youre good, its really not hard and actually a very offensive recovery. its so hard to screw it up once you get the hang of it. and its not gimpable unless someone blocks the thunder before it hits you (that part sucks)

.... Why wouldnt I know this ive been playing smash for 9 years... :S

Its just that he has HORRIBLE lag after landing from this, unless you sweetspot the ledge (very difficult for most people) You wont get back. Edgeguarding ness is VERY easy.

Pikachu has the best recovery, bar none.

 

[-Philip Coast Philip-]

I just have to say, in terms of coolness, Ness > Lucas.



Lucas is a complete wuss.

 

[aequitas.veritas]

i cant believe no one talked about how powerful ness throws were...
!

i diiiiiiid lol.

*looks at your join date*
1v1 Money match? Your Ness vs. my whatever (you can pick).

not flaming, but its kinda ridiculous to judge someone by their join date....ive been on here what 3 months under this name. doesnt mean i wont roll someone whos been on here since 99. smashboards is not the knowall, meansall to super smash bros.

.... Why wouldnt I know this ive been playing smash for 9 years... :S

Its just that he has HORRIBLE lag after landing from this, unless you sweetspot the ledge (very difficult for most people) You wont get back. Edgeguarding ness is VERY easy.

Pikachu has the best recovery, bar none.

actually pikachu's recovery is fairly easily gimped/spiked (im not saying its not good, its one of the best if you can trick people). you can interupt it basically anywhere in the animation, and it doesnt do damage. and as for ness' recovery, ive never found a situation where i couldnt either go to a platform and shield before being hit or sweetspot the edge, or aim straight at someone and shield afterwards if they block. sure, they could hit you if their quick enough and read your play but it wont necessarily lead to a death like a gimpable recovery would.

I just have to say, in terms of coolness, Ness > Lucas.

Lucas is a complete wuss.

wierd. i didnt know lucas was in ssb 64.

 

[Rupus]

actually pikachu's recovery is fairly easily gimped/spiked (im not saying its not good, its one of the best if you can trick people). you can interupt it basically anywhere in the animation, and it doesnt do damage. and as for ness' recovery, ive never found a situation where i couldnt either go to a platform and shield before being hit or sweetspot the edge, or aim straight at someone and shield afterwards if they block. sure, they could hit you if their quick enough and read your play but it wont necessarily lead to a death like a gimpable recovery would.

Pikachu's recovery is the best, by a long way. Pikachu has the furthest recovery in the game, both horizontally and vertically, and he can't be gimped / spiked in the middle of it. He can either sweet spot the edge or go past the edge, and he has a very small amount of recovery time, meaning that he can't be beaten to pieces afterwards.

Ness's recovery, however, is much easier to punish. Unless he aims it downwards and towards the stage (In which case he'd have to be above the stage when he's recovering), he'll have a hard time sweet spotting, and he'll be easily punished afterwards.

When recovering from below, Ness will either grab the edge, or go past the edge. If he goes past, it's an easy set up for a punishing smash or something.

If he grabs the edge, he hasn't hit his opponent. That means that while he can't be punished as easily, the Ness player's unable to punish them.

So no, Ness's recovery isn't the best in the game, Pikachu's is.

 

[aequitas.veritas]

ill have to record myself edge gaurding pikachu...... you can infact interupt it anywhere.

but like i said before, its very very good

 

[Zantetsu]

ill have to record myself edge gaurding pikachu...... you can infact interupt it anywhere.

but like i said before, its very very good

But even if pikachu's recovery can be edge guarded anywhere. The fact is that ness's recovery takes so long to pull off, you can easily just jump into the pk thunder and ruin it for him.

 

[vandwedge]

Ness's up+B recovery is the main thing that keeps him from being top tier. Let's see what happens when you try to use it.

OK there you are, a little bit away from the edge, and you're sending your lightning bolt out, wrapping it up and back around your body... and it's moving really slowly... glacially slowly... wait, it's almost back around... OH there goes your opponent knocking you into oblivion while you were still hovering there waiting for your lightning bolt to wrap back around.

It's not a good recovery.

 

[aequitas.veritas]

yeah, that part sucks when that happens, thats why i usually start it in a place where my opponent cant get to me in time. but if you dont think hes top tier atleast, youre wrong.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Falcons ftilt >>>>>>>>> ness

 

[Zantetsu]

yeah, that part sucks when that happens, thats why i usually start it in a place where my opponent cant get to me in time. but if you dont think hes top tier atleast, youre wrong.

Even if you set up in a place your opponent can't get you, ness's recovery is so slow after, you can just easily spike them or knock them off again.

Face it. Ness's recovery fails and since ssb64 is pretty much all about combos and recovery, his recover fails which wouldn't make him both top and high. Look at the tier list. He has a * next to his name which means he IS included as high tier based off of his recovery.

 

[greenblob]

If you start from far away, you'll either get edgehogged or screwed over by the landing lag.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Even if you set up in a place your opponent can't get you, ness's recovery is so slow after, you can just easily spike them or knock them off again.

Face it. Ness's recovery fails and since ssb64 is pretty much all about combos and recovery, his recover fails which wouldn't make him both top and high. Look at the tier list. He has a * next to his name which means he IS included as high tier based off of his recovery.

Your all wrong, Ness's recovery doesnt fail, people fail...

Pikachus 3rd jump is the best easily and CAN be spiked in the middle, just really hard

Tiers are for top play....top playing ness means sweetspot which is not THAT hard...

 

[greenblob]

But you can only sweetspot from above. And the startup is still slow enough for edgehogging.

 

[Surri-Sama]

But you can only sweetspot from above. And the startup is still slow enough for edgehogging.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qbN6MCFOjI

Like the discription says it isnt perfect but its enough to see...Ness can sweet spot from below, and about edge aurding....there are very few chars you cannot edgegaurd...thats liek saying your stupid because you have hair....but everyone elese with hair is smart....¿?

 

[Zantetsu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qbN6MCFOjI

Like the discription says it isnt perfect but its enough to see...Ness can sweet spot from below, and about edge aurding....there are very few chars you cannot edgegaurd...thats liek saying your stupid because you have hair....but everyone elese with hair is smart....¿?

That could have easily been edgeguarded/edgehogged.

Edit : FALCON DOWN TILT FTW :D

 

[Fireblaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qbN6MCFOjI

Like the discription says it isnt perfect but its enough to see...Ness can sweet spot from below, and about edge aurding....there are very few chars you cannot edgegaurd...thats liek saying your stupid because you have hair....but everyone elese with hair is smart....¿?

I've killed so many Ness's by edgeguarding when they've sweetspotted their recovery better than the one in your vid. Like BHLMRO said, a simple attack/spike/edgehog would easily take care of the matter.

 

[aequitas.veritas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCX6meKGaSw

look at 1:13 on my vid. perfect below sweetspot. yes, someone could have spiked me towards the end but you could say that about anycharacter i chose.

before any snide comments about my play..i was playing realllly bad that day as ness. i have no excuse, but i like smoking weed when i play friendlies haha.

 

[SmashThugZ]

I wonder if I'd play like that if I smoked weed.

 

[aequitas.veritas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii4VTpka-bo&NR=1

no you probably wouldnt.