Gosh Ness was Awesome.

[SmashThugZ]

Heh. My Pikachu's speed, dexterity, agility, accuracy, and overall abilities are probably 2x that. With or without the weed.

 

[Surri-Sama]

That could have easily been edgeguarded/edgehogged.

Edit : FALCON DOWN TILT FTW :D

I've killed so many Ness's by edgeguarding when they've sweetspotted their recovery better than the one in your vid. Like BHLMRO said, a simple attack/spike/edgehog would easily take care of the matter.

Both of yous please read my posts before posting arguements about things ive allready stated....

 

[Dash_Fox]

Recover from above the edge with ness, then land by sliding on the ground. You're as good as dead if you recover from below the stage (Unless you can get some WICKED D.I. on the edge/wall). Though being edgeguarded from the stage isn't scary for a ness, its when people RUN OUT to ruin your recovery by either hitting you or eating your UP B.

If you can recover from a simple jump (or reach the ledge), use Ness' DOWN B to grab the ledge without going over it and getting hit.

 

[Fireblaster]

Both of yous please read my posts before posting arguements about things ive allready stated....

That's not the point.

Recovering is all about the options. Should you try to sweetspot the edge? Maybe attack the edgeguarder instead? How about just try to make it behind the edgeguarder? Trick the edgeguarder into jumping off so you have a safer recovery? etc etc....

Ness's options are very limited and extremely predictable. If you see a Ness going below or keeping his distance it's going to be too easy to just sit back and attack ness when he tries to sweetspot. If Ness gets too close you can easily jump off to hit him when he's doing the upB. Ness is screwed either way.

Other characters can easily trick the edgeguarder into messing up. Whatever method Ness uses to recover is easily predictable and even easier to edgeguard against.

 

[Fireblaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCX6meKGaSw

look at 1:13 on my vid. perfect below sweetspot. yes, someone could have spiked me towards the end but you could say that about anycharacter i chose.

before any snide comments about my play..i was playing realllly bad that day as ness. i have no excuse, but i like smoking weed when i play friendlies haha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii4VTpka-bo&NR=1

no you probably wouldnt.

LOL Both of you suck.

 

[aequitas.veritas]

Heh. My Pikachu's speed, dexterity, agility, accuracy, and overall abilities are probably 2x that. With or without the weed.

vids please..... you from so cal? id love to play you one on one. and if the words kiallera come out of your mouth ill use whatever internet powers i have to ***** slap you cuz i cant do it in person.

edit::same goes for you fireblaster


money, no money, its all the same. id actually be relieved youd be underestimating my skill by matches recorded that day cuz itd just make it easier to beat you.

 

[Dash_Fox]

vids please..... you from so cal? id love to play you one on one. and if the words kiallera come out of your mouth ill use whatever internet powers i have to ***** slap you cuz i cant do it in person.

edit::same goes for you fireblaster


money, no money, its all the same. id actually be relieved youd be underestimating my skill by matches recorded that day cuz itd just make it easier to beat you.

Peer to Peer (p2p) is a nice way to solve this. You don't have to travel anywhere. It nearly feels console IF you are close enough. You can download one of the versions HERE:

http://kaillera.movsq.net/

We all USUALLY use SEP 15th or NOV 1st versions.

Though, console will always beat "Fake Smash" (Isai quote don't judge me).

 

[aequitas.veritas]

ya, thats what i was saying. i tried to get peer2peer once but i dont think im tech saavy enough. i played on the kaillera for a sec before it decided to go all slowmo on me.

console is the only way to go. much harder to pull off...anything

 

[Dash_Fox]

ya, thats what i was saying. i tried to get peer2peer once but i dont think im tech saavy enough. i played on the kaillera for a sec before it decided to go all slowmo on me.

console is the only way to go. much harder to pull off...anything

Tech savy? All you do is type in the IP and BAM you're done. If you host all you have to do is open ports in your router (IF YOU HAVE A FIREWALL).

 

[aequitas.veritas]

you lost me at "type"


edit: haha but really, maybe i will try to figure it out

 

[Gory snake]

Ness is top tier for sure but not the best in the game, his recovery is easily gimpable. Pikachu's recovery > Ness' recovery, in face Pikachu > Ness. Ness takes skill to use, moreso than Pika or Kirby

 

[SmashThugZ]

Videos?
Search for "Isai vs Johnny" on Youtube.
There should be a few still up.

 

[cemo]

i love this thread

 

[aequitas.veritas]

Videos?
Search for "Isai vs Johnny" on Youtube.
There should be a few still up.

youre johnny?? ahaha. i dont even bother with the isai vs johnny vids cuz johnny gets his *** handed to him/5 stocked like every match.

 

[cemo]

you're right, i think you guys should have a money match

 

[Wenbobular]

youre johnny?? ahaha. i dont even bother with the isai vs johnny vids cuz johnny gets his *** handed to him/5 stocked like every match.

Actually, everyone gets their arses handed to them vs. Isai. Johnny is a far better smasher than you. Get over your ridiculously large ego, because you are by no means a decent smasher.

PS - My sn is Jdou4 on AIM, if you care to play me once I get my controllers back.

 

[Teh Future]

...This is so amusing.

agreed.

I think brawl players shouldn't come to this board.

 

[SmashThugZ]

Oh yea.
Only people who's better than Isai deserves to play you, right, aequitas.veritas?
Give me some links where I get 5 stocked "like every match" please.

I bet I can 5 stock you.

 

[Daedatheus]

Hahah PLEASE stop the challenging and the pseudo-fighting... it's like listening to kids argue on a playground about whose older brother could beat up the other's.

I think the original topic was about NESS, and it seems that discussion is nearly exhausted.

And hey, Smash ThugZ, so you're Johnny? Cool. I have to agree - anyone who says someone sucks just because Isai hands their *** to them obviously doesn't know anything about Isai.... I watched some of those vids, it's clear you're one hell of a player. I'd be interested in hearing some tips from you about SSB actually, specifically regarding the "how" of training/bettering one's skills for a mid-level player in SSB...

Anyway, regardless of that fact, there's no point arguing about this crap... it's obvious who would kill who, etc., just move on folks.

Obligatory contribution to original topic - Ness's ability to DJC for uair or spiking can turn some matches around, and his yo-yo smashes have great range... and while his recovery can launch him farther than just about any other U+B move, it's just too dangerous against players who know what they're doing.

 

[Wenbobular]

Hahah PLEASE stop the challenging and the pseudo-fighting... it's like listening to kids argue on a playground about whose older brother could beat up the other's.

I think the original topic was about NESS, and it seems that discussion is nearly exhausted.

And hey, Smash ThugZ, so you're Johnny? Cool. I have to agree - anyone who says someone sucks just because Isai hands their *** to them obviously doesn't know anything about Isai.... I watched some of those vids, it's clear you're one hell of a player. I'd be interested in hearing some tips from you about SSB actually, specifically regarding the "how" of training/bettering one's skills for a mid-level player in SSB...

Anyway, regardless of that fact, there's no point arguing about this crap... it's obvious who would kill who, etc., just move on folks.

Obligatory contribution to original topic - Ness's ability to DJC for uair or spiking can turn some matches around, and his yo-yo smashes have great range... and while his recovery can launch him farther than just about any other U+B move, it's just too dangerous against players who know what they're doing.

I hate Ness's yo-yo, it never works for me.
...Ness never works for me. Stupid Fair combos.

 

[Daedatheus]

I hate Ness's yo-yo, it never works for me.

It's not the greatest but it's like DK's palm-smash: slow, but reaches farther than most smashes. Just be sure to be facing the right way when using it. I'm referring to his downsmash yoyo of course.

Just as a side-note... I love how this game still fascinates us today and we're still discussing the gameplay mechanics. The Smash Bros. games really are incredible that way.

 

[Zantetsu]

Hahah PLEASE stop the challenging and the pseudo-fighting... it's like listening to kids argue on a playground about whose older brother could beat up the other's.

Actually johnny is talking for himself and that other guy is talking for himself. Not really bringing anyone else into the fight.

Anyways, nice first post. Nice too see a first poster actually give a nice, decent sized replay other then "OMG SONIC RULEZ!"

Welcome to the boards :D

 

[Surri-Sama]

That's not the point.

Recovering is all about the options. Should you try to sweetspot the edge? Maybe attack the edgeguarder instead? How about just try to make it behind the edgeguarder? Trick the edgeguarder into jumping off so you have a safer recovery? etc etc....

Ness's options are very limited and extremely predictable. If you see a Ness going below or keeping his distance it's going to be too easy to just sit back and attack ness when he tries to sweetspot. If Ness gets too close you can easily jump off to hit him when he's doing the upB. Ness is screwed either way.

Other characters can easily trick the edgeguarder into messing up. Whatever method Ness uses to recover is easily predictable and even easier to edgeguard against.

This is true for ovder 50% of the mid-high tier chars...maybe we should swich them all to bottom tier...ex fox, CF, Mario...all very easy to edge gaurd...bottom tier!!!

 

[Fireblaster]

This is true for ovder 50% of the mid-high tier chars...maybe we should swich them all to bottom tier...ex fox, CF, Mario...all very easy to edge gaurd...bottom tier!!!

You didn't read what I said. Unless you did, and if you're somehow implying that mario/fox/falcon's recoveries are half as bad as ness's.... Then I want what you're smoking.

 

[ShaolinAce]

I wasn't trying to say Ness was invincable. I was just trying to point out that this was his best monets in SSB64 and that he sucks **** in Brawl nad Melee. He's good here, him, Pikachu, Kirby and Fox.

 

[aequitas.veritas]

You didn't read what I said. Unless you did, and if you're somehow implying that mario/fox/falcon's recoveries are half as bad as ness's.... Then I want what you're smoking.

fox's recovery sucks. its not half as good as ness's.

 

[Surri-Sama]

You didn't read what I said. Unless you did, and if you're somehow implying that mario/fox/falcon's recoveries are half as bad as ness's.... Then I want what you're smoking.

my point is only that, Ness's recovery. if used at a high level, is just as effective as fox's ..a little less then marios...but definitly better then Falcons

 

[Fireblaster]

fox's recovery sucks. its not half as good as ness's.

Ok you're not smoking anything, you're just dumb

my point is only that, Ness's recovery. if used at a high level, is just as effective as fox's ..a little less then marios...but definitly better then Falcons

No it isn't. It's not even close to being as good as mario's. Look at it this way. All you have to do is attack ness while he's second jumping. What can he do? He can dodge by moving back and making his UpB easier to hit. He can attack back only to cancel his jump and lose distance on it. He can take the hit and possibly die.

The difference is that mario/falcon/fox can 2nd jump while attacking and can use their UpB's to get quickly back to the stage when they trick their edgeguarder. Even if ness manages to trick the edgeguarder it gives him plenty of time to set up an edgeguard against ness's upB.

 

[greenblob]

Ness has too much landing lag.
He's very fun to rest on.

 

[ant-d]

w3rst fr3d

 

[SmashThugZ]

Let's just stop debating with this person.
You've all seen his videos.. Heh.

 

[Wenbobular]

Now it's becoming a tier list discussion, fun stuff.
I like Falcon's recovery because the grab-box for it is pretty enormous.
I like Fox's because it goes goes in different directions
Ness though...jeez. I hate Ness.

 

[Zantetsu]

Speaking of tier list, did that thread die or did meowkitty close it?

 

[Surri-Sama]

Ok you're not smoking anything, you're just dumb



No it isn't. It's not even close to being as good as mario's. Look at it this way. All you have to do is attack ness while he's second jumping. What can he do? He can dodge by moving back and making his UpB easier to hit. He can attack back only to cancel his jump and lose distance on it. He can take the hit and possibly die.

The difference is that mario/falcon/fox can 2nd jump while attacking and can use their UpB's to get quickly back to the stage when they trick their edgeguarder. Even if ness manages to trick the edgeguarder it gives him plenty of time to set up an edgeguard against ness's upB.

Hmm, your making good points that seem correct but from what ive seen is Mario isnt that hard to edge gaurd either espacialy when people miss use his Tornado spin...like when they dont need too...and marios jump is very predictable ..or at least i thought o.o;;

 

[Zantetsu]

Hmm, your making good points that seem correct but from what ive seen is Mario isnt that hard to edge gaurd either espacialy when people miss use his Tornado spin...like when they dont need too...and marios jump is very predictable ..or at least i thought o.o;;

Well mario can go ahead and start off with a rising tornado to get that over with and then he can easily sweet spot the edge by interrupting his 2nd jump, not using his 2nd jump, or fully using it. Whatever the case, mario can EASILY EASILY sweetspot. Probably easier then short hopping.

He can also use his 2nd jump at those trying to edge guard and counter with that awesome drill spike :D.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Well mario can go ahead and start off with a rising tornado to get that over with and then he can easily sweet spot the edge by interrupting his 2nd jump, not using his 2nd jump, or fully using it. Whatever the case, mario can EASILY EASILY sweetspot. Probably easier then short hopping. .

As true as this is, due to how EASILY EASILY it can be seen, due to its linear path, with allmost no variance...its so easy to gaurd him, even with the sweet spot.

He can also use his 2nd jump at those trying to edge guard and counter with that awesome drill spike :D.

Are you trying to tell me Ness doesnt have a super cool ultra priorty spike?

 

[Zantetsu]

Are you trying to tell me Ness doesnt have a super cool ultra priorty spike?

Uhh... Ness sucks.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Uhh... Ness sucks.

sigh...i knew youd bring that up....how can i argue that?

 

[EyePlayBass]

I agree ness was awesome. He was the only character i used in ssb64

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Falcons ftilt just ***** ness