God I hate Substitute....

[Bowser_Gangsta]

How do you guys deal with people who use Sub and then stat-ups? Like CMKou. Just wondering cause I usually always get swept.

 

[Wave⁂]

Roar
Priority
Scarf

 

[Deleted member]

just hit them really hard and they break.

 

[DUB]

Roooooooar! The majority of the time most people are using substitute because they want to set something up. Roar takes care subbers like no other.

Also, there are multiple hit moves that can break a substitute and damage the user. Call me a noob because I can't remember the name of the move. Armaldo has it and it's like Rock Bombo or something.

 

[UltiMario]

Stat up with someone that can counter said Subber
:D

 

[CRASHiC]

My tactic:
Let them set up. . . . then bring out Bidoff.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Be dumb and use guard/power/heart swap. :D

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Depends on what it is. I may or may not end up sacrificing something. Then I just bring in Scarf Nidoking. XD

-Terywj

 

[9Kplus1]

There are too many options to get rid of SubStat abusers. Raikou is ***** by bulky Earthquake users, Jirachi is ***** by Heatran, Empoleon is ****ed over by Bulky Waters and/or Celebi and the rest are beaten by:

Whirlwind
Roar
Perish Song
Haze

 

[Wave⁂]

Celebi can't touch Empoleon and eats an Ice Beam.

 

[9Kplus1]

Celebi can't touch Empoleon and eats an Ice Beam.

Grass Knot and Grass Knot - both are common imo

 

[xLeafybug =D]

It's not doing much due to its 80 BP hitting Neutral damage, due to Empoleon being half steel-type. AND you still eat an Ice Beam.

 

[Vlade]

A phazing move like roar/whirlwind or perish song are your best bets for subs.

 

[The Cunning Weasel]

Fight fire with fire.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Fight fire with fire.

But usually your opponent is ahead of you.

-Terywj

 

[supermarth64]

I think we all know the gayest Substitute user.

Machamp.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

For OU maybe, but nothing pisses me off more than a Raikou using Substitute.

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

I think we all know the gayest Substitute user.

Machamp.

SubChamp makes me happy.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

SubChamp = 1 lost Pokemon... Minimum.

 

[supermarth64]

SubChamp makes me happy.

Not if it's used against you.

 

[SilentVerse]

As people have said, Roar and Whirlwind are your best bets. Depending on the Pokemon, you can use strong attacks to break said sub. Against Raikou, in UU, I like using Registeel, since it sponges up hits and strikes back with an Earthquake.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Not if it's used against you.

What if it did?

O_O

-Terywj

 

[Deleted member]

we need to find ways to consistently pass huge subs to rotom. with toxic spikes up.

 

[kirbyraeg]

celebi. vaporeon...? :D

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Driftblm?

-Terywj

 

[Circa]

celebi.

SubSeedPass ftw? :D

 

[Terywj [태리]]

SubSeedPass ftw? :D

Indeed. Driftblm should pass Calm Mind+Salac boost. xD

-Terywj

 

[Oracle]

Marowak's bonemerang, cloyster's rock blast, etc. all break subs and hit the opponent. Marowak's is my favorite vs. raikou because if you max out hp, a super effective hidden power will never OHKO after SR and you can break the sub and kill it.

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

Really, it's meh. OHKO moves are the worst. >_>

 

[kirbyraeg]

marowak belongs in the 'awesome' tier though, he's too good for competitive play! :D

 

[Terywj [태리]]

marowak belongs in the 'awesome' tier though, he's too good for competitive play! :D

So do Gallade, Charizard and Nidoking.

-Terywj