Goal: Maining Fox

[Hanniah]

Okay, so as I've decided to main Fox (instead of Falco), I'm practising a little on Fox's timing!

Shuffling a Nair or a Dair isn't much of a problem; I just keep trying in the Training mode and, whenever I don't get at least 2 consecutives hits, I know I did something wrong. But what about Bair and Uair? (I'm not considering Fox's Fair as, IMO, is his crappiest move)? Even Bowser is 'too light' to be hit by a shine after a shuff(l)ed Uair or Bair.

Has anyone got an idea how to practise this efficiently?

 

[SCOTU]

just look. The Fair is fox's slowest move when l canceled (11 frames). The difference should be obvious. Bair is his second slowest move by only a frame (10 frames) difference from the fair. Uair, and Dair are 9 frames, and the nair is 7. so for a bair, the difference in time of a non- LC'd one to an LC'd one is 1/3 sec> 1/6 sec, a noticeable amount.

 

[Hanniah]

just look. The Fair is fox's slowest move when l canceled (11 frames). The difference should be obvious. Bair is his second slowest move by only a frame (10 frames) difference from the fair. Uair, and Dair are 9 frames, and the nair is 7. so for a bair, the difference in time of a non- LC'd one to an LC'd one is 1/3 sec> 1/6 sec, a noticeable amount.

Well, I agree with you. I was just curious if there was a -say- mathematical method to notice the difference, like with the Consecuvite Hits count in the Training Mode.

I'm just going to trust my eyes then

 

[Yomi]

If you SHHFL a Bair coming towards the person you should be able to get consecutive hits. That is, you are hitting them with the front of Fox's body even though the Bair extends backward. This is useful for setting up grabs also.

 

[RaynEX]

running at your opponent with an indirect bair and usmashing works wonders.

 

[Hanniah]

If you SHHFL a Bair coming towards the person you should be able to get consecutive hits. That is, you are hitting them with the front of Fox's body even though the Bair extends backward. This is useful for setting up grabs also.

I didn't think about this. Thanks, it actually helps my mathematical mind a lot

 

[RaynEX]

don't string them together. its pointless. link to a grab or usmash.

 

[Hanniah]

Once again, it's only to get the timing of all of Fox's moves; I do not intend to win a game by SHFFLing only. But still, thanks, I guess Waveshining will be the next point

 

[Aeth]

waveshining is a difficult technique to do well constantly but if you know precisly how to do it than it will be very handfull

 

[RaynEX]

its pressing down B then wavedashing.

Its concept isn't complicated at all. Neither is its technical difficulty once you get the hang of it. The waveshine should be seen more as a basic Fox move than an advanced one. Its so necessary in all forms of tournament play. Fox's should master it.

 

[Druggedfox]

Lol, there arent many "hard" things with fox. If you can get waveshining down thats about as hard as it gets. Unless learning how to do repeated JC'ed shines is really important to you lol. Usually there is enough of a visible difference without needing to look at the combo meter though, to answer your question. Another way could be just full jump, then right b4 you land use a bair. Immediately press down-b over and over until you shine. Then try it l-canceled. There should be more than enough difference to tell there. Plus, if you happen to use the c-stick at all, training mode is a ***** to practice with. Just some thoughts.

Peace and good luck

 

[RaynEX]

^ don't do that 'press down b over and over again' thing. Mashing should never be an option.

Learn and practice the proper timing for it, you'll be thankful to have practiced it afterwards.

 

[_Phloat_]

^ don't do that 'press down b over and over again' thing. Mashing should never be an option.

Learn and practice the proper timing for it, you'll be thankful to have practiced it afterwards.

Awwww ****

*Goes back to gamecube*

Really though, listen to what he said, mashing can seem to get you some lucky moments, but controlling your character to the very last frame gets a lot more unseen benefits, and the seen one of winning a hell of a lot more ^-^

 

[RaynEX]

A perfect example of why button mashing is bad: TECHING.

*Extracted from Doraki's DI/CCing/Teching Guide*

In order to tech, you have to get a precise timing and not resort to button mashing.
Whenever you press L, it enables you to tech in the 20 following frames, but it also prevents you completely from using L to tech again in the following 40 frames.

Bet that'll make you think twice about pressing L at the wrong time.

Read on:

It's not obvious, but it's very important when you're being comboed.
Has it ever happened to you, when you're being comboed,that you missed a tech even though you pressed L at the right time ?
This is the reason it didn't work. You had pressed L earlier and you didn't wait enough time before pressing L again to tech.
Note that if this happens, you can keep missing techs.

A guaranteed way to miss every tech is to press L too often, like twice per second.

Hope this helps.

-Rayne

 

[cemo]

how'd you get so good raynex

 

[KingJiggyWiggy]

Don't main Fox. Pick Marth, he is so cheap and your life will be so much happier.

 

[RaynEX]

how'd you get so good raynex

Practice?

Have I playd you before? Do i know you? lol i feel like we've met somewhere. Maybe a Toronto tourny a long time ago?

 

[cemo]

no you haven't i'm too poor to go to toronto

i just remember watching vids of you and bam and being like "he's pretty good" and then the chesterr set and being all "wtf hax what happened"

 

[Hanniah]

Don't main Fox. Pick Marth, he is so cheap and your life will be so much happier.

I'm thinking about it everytime I face a Marth my level (whatever this means to you ). Marth just has to be top tier in the next list; whatever.

Learn and practice the proper timing for it, you'll be thankful to have practiced it afterwards.

Pretty much yeah . Space Animals FTW

 

[RaynEX]

no you haven't i'm too poor to go to toronto

i just remember watching vids of you and bam and being like "he's pretty good" and then the chesterr set and being all "wtf hax what happened"

Ohh...

I'm not coming on the 20th. No ride + no money for train/bus.

Lets stop spamming this thread though.

 

[Druggedfox]

Oh snap. I didnt mean it as mashing. Of course mashing is a bad thing, and as soon as I saw you about to describe y and i saw the word "tech" I knew what u were talking about. I said press it over and over because if hes just getting used to fox, I wanted to show how much of a difference there is between l-cancel and not l-cancel. Mashing buttons is almost never good besides if you are trying to get out of a grab =). When meteor canceling or teching that ****s you up real bad. Other than that mistake, I think i gave viable advice though. Once again I am going to emphasize, what I said was right except for mashing... DONT MASH PL0X. Sorry about that misunderstanding I didnt mean it like THAT.

Peace

 

[GOTM]

practice..