#HBC | ZoZo
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****ing kidding me? I was and still am pulling all my own weight. I'd almost want to blame this ESL bull****.Wow slip a little harder, indyXonar
Look at the idea, not the words.
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****ing kidding me? I was and still am pulling all my own weight. I'd almost want to blame this ESL bull****.Wow slip a little harder, indyXonar
I thought it was game over because Orbo is/was last indy for sure >_>That and the fact that he decided to re-investigate our slot a second time, despite having a gameplan going in to today that literally accounted for a Ran town flip. Just HAPPENED to decide, you know what, maybe I'll take a look a JB again! Yeah I know I already did that once, but it just couldn't hurt to do again right WHOA OMG THEY SHOT ME!!!! Good thing I decided it wasn't worth looking into that person I was super sure was the last indy!
>_>Like, the fact that Zonie is attacking the labels that GLife and I are very, very sarcastically attaching to the things he is claiming seriously tells you everything you need to know. It is blatantly clear that the scumminess we're pointing to resides in cluster**** of out-of-nowhere conclusive, black and white and condemning information that his role is suddenly able to obtain, in addition to the Secret BP that conveniently incriminates us for a nightkill that doesn't ****ing exist.
You realize that the results aren't SET IN STONE, though, right? Consistency is up to the mod. Even then, like I said, it's part of the command. Not weird.You knew exactly what I sent you as an image. Before we had so much as hinted as to what the image was.
Elaborated.And for someone who didn't know they were BP, you sure know an awful lot about what triggers it. So what are you saying here Xonar? That there are times when you're NOT BP? If that's not the case, why phrase it like this?
Elaborated.Oh hey that's super cool bro! But wait, you DID get information last night! You got the info that we gave you the image! In explicit detail! AND you claim to know for sure that it was US who shot you!
Then stop pushing the image part. Scumpush. Shot is your word vs mine.What difference does it make? You've claimed an image and I can prove its true. But the thing is, you're not making up the image part. Just the shot.
Fact is, my scum read from you is from rereading but MAINLY FROM NIGHT ACTIONS AND YOUR PLAY THIS DAY. YOU'VE SPENT ALL DAY PUTTING ME IN A BAD LIGHT BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BECAUSE YOU'RE A SCUM WHO SHOT ME.Xonar, would you like me to go dig up all your quotes in which you say 'Biceps is not indy or mafia. Biceps is town. I have never had a harder town read in my life.' Because I will (I just don't think I need to).
Not to forget that YOU were the one who put forth those plans in the first place! YOU were the one to say 'Xonar and Biceps need to go to endgame', and up until the Ran town flip, we were on board with that.
True fact.Except this whole situation was engineered by YOU. YOU were the one who pushed a Biceps/Xonar endgame. (I feel like I'm having to repeat myself). And on top of that, WE DON'T HAVE A SHOT. AND EVEN IF THIS WERE CRAZYLAND AND WE DID, WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE?! This is LYLO! There's not going to BE another night phase in which we would be able to use our pretend shot! (spoiler irt the difference it would make, none at all and you're just looking for any and all points you can use against us. And hey, they all stem from your made up night actions).
Silly posting isn't as effective. I know I'm throwing myself out there, but if I do, I know that you are most likely to win. Which I think you deserve.For someone this worried about getting vined, you'd think they would have stuck to their silly posting.
Making it look scummy. Swell.(good thing you clarified what it did beyond 'distracting you', otherwise it would make it look like a desperate attempt to make the thing we sent you look scummy)
This is literally the same point you've been making this whole time and the same point I've destroyed from multiple angles since my first post.It's easily summed up.
Jupiter, you're scum.
You think I'm the indy because I popped my BP last night when you shot me, but I'm not.
There are a lot of flaws in your new read on me and I'll point them out.
Yeah no ****, if we don't lynch the indy TOWN LOSES. Except WE HAVE A CASE ON WHY YOU'RE THE INDY. THE CASE THAT YOU STILL have not even attempted to respond to, and have opted to spend your time finding posts that don't prove jack ****.You know that Indy always have most endgame power, right? If you lynch me and Orbo is the true Indy, you're done for.
You realize how stupid this is right. We KNOW there's any indy left. The only 'evidence' you have pointing towards me and EE being mafia (...uh-huh) is your own made up BP/Self-Watcher status.The Indy at this point can literally lynch anyone. However, because you're scum, you have to lynch the Indy. Because I'm town, I've already lost the game. The only thing I can do now is run for second place, which I'll gladly do.
Holy **** you ARE desperate to get a lynch in. You don't even care who it is.There are a few sides to it though. On one hand, I think you deserve this win and I'm willing to lynch Orbo with you. On the other hand, I don't like the disrespect you sent my way with that picture, but that's part of the game, so I'm willing to forgive you on this.
Did you miss the part where we had a post explaining this? I mean its a pretty big post, and it was like the ... what, 8th post of the day? After a string on you spewing everything you could possibly think of our your *** that might let you push our lynch.Yes, I know you can waltz through this by saying "Nope, I'm town", then appealing to Orbo who is Indy and lynch me. That is, if you believe I'm Indy. There's a reason you had this town read on me, and I'll wake you up from that weird-*** change you made. There's also a reason why you thought Orboknown was Indy, and I'll remind you of that too.
HOW. HOW THE HELL WOULD YOU POSSIBLY 'PROVE' THAT?!I find it very doubtful that you changed reads because of a reread (and I can prove it), that means that you MUST have been the one to make the shot. There's no charade left. Who wins the game at this point is basically up to you. You can ask me to lynch Orbo with you, you can ask Orbo to lynch me with you. It depends on your read.
YEAH, just maybe toss that in there. It wouldn't have been important to ACTUALLY prove your accusations WHEN YOU FIRST MADE THEM. Nah, its much better to run around for hours and hours saying 'EH SHOOT MEH'. Something you've prettied up, but still never stopped doing.Yes, there will be a big *** gigantium post coming up. No worries. Still skimming through. Still at page 43 after some quick-*** skimming. I'll even substantiate my scum read on you because I figured why not.
You're an absolute moron. You're going into Lylo, and then suddenly realizing you have a scum read on BOTH players alive! But poor ol Xonar, he just won't give up! He'll fight for SECOND PLACE, because its the noble thing to do!Unvote though.
(you're not fooling anyone, since if that were actually true you would have probably worried less about people seeing that you needed to convince me Orbo was indy and actually worked on doing it).You know, I realized, if I'm right, I have nobody to convince of Jupiter scum. Orbo can lynch anyone and Jupiter knows what's up himself.
The only thing I can do is convince Jupiter that Orbo is Indy. Damdamdam.
50.
Okay, you asked for it. Mr. 'too damn obvious'.Page 64.
Stopped looking for Jupiter scum a long time ago. Too damn obvious. You are scum bro. That means that Orboknown is Indy by PoE. I'll post my findings of everything up to this day, then I'll reply to your pressure this day, then I'll see what's left.
Jupiter is a town bro. Towntowntowntown. I literally have never had a town read this hard. Literally. That said, if there's anyone we are not going to lynch, it is Jupiter. Indy is... possible, I guess? His wrong targets mean nothing, by the way. Everything was pointing to the answers he was finding.
Would love a second opinion from Glyphmeister here.
Ranmaru's read on Jupiter, however, I disagree with, but that far from incriminates him, as I can see where he is coming from to some degree.
I honestly believe that this is the best course of action. I just can't see Jupiter being scum.
If you think Xonar and Jupiter are most likely town out of the player list, you should agree with the plan!
Yeah, you clearly had reservations about this slot coming into the Day. And it makes sense for you to have just happened to have investigated me.No but really, Jupiter can't be indy nor scum.
The entire town (except Orbo) expressed no intent to lynch me.
scumJTB > Ranmaru > indyOrbo
Notes:
Skimmed the thread.
The basic idea of the theory is that Jupiter is scum. Orboknown is the indy.
That would make the scumteam consisting of JTB/Muscles (+JDietz maybe, doesn't really matter), with Ryker as traitor.
Considering EE singlehandedly derailed D5's lynch (the plan that you, once again, had set forth) and POINTED OUT AN ISSUE WITH JTB THAT RESULTED IN HIS LYNCH, I find it pretty hard to believe you're gunna find much of ****in anything on this.I haven't seen Jupiter handle Murderbush, but his handling of JTB is far from scum partners. Faaar from it. I think you can agree that Jupiter would've made JTB claim something else, especially with me in the game.
You can't just say things and then say 'that makes sense' after it. You have to EXPLAIN why it makes sense. In this instance, your point DOESN'T. Also, I'm deleting your dumb chart thing. It clutters the post and really is a way of something absolutely nothing in an extremely drawn out manner.That means that Muscles set JTB up to die with that claim to get an endgame ticket. That means that he intentionally didn't kill the other day. It makes sense. Let's run some numbers once again:
In what world would Ryker, as traitor, build such a clear connection to his strongest scummate in his opening post? To the point that if either he flipped OR I flipped, it would completely damn the other one?Interesting posts:
For the normal eye, this is but RVS shenanigans. For the actual scum team, this is a VERY CLEAR SIGN.
Old notes: Note that he also hinted at two factions. Subtle crumb to hint the mafia that he's a traitor. Directing it to EE, which looks innocent at first sight, but as EEscum, you see that it's ACTUALLY SERIOUS.
Hohohohoho.
...neither of those quotes are from us. Its Banana and Ran.http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14199697&postcount=955 (later post)
From post on onwards, Orbo suspicion from Jupiter.
Total points against Biceps: 1? (in the entire day, the only thing you've got is an RVS Ryker post. But you know what, sure, lets give it to you)End of Day1.
Oh man you've got me there! We were so super lurky and didn't show up until -End of Day2. Noticed that Jupiter became active immediately after Bardull was basically dead already.
Lets!Anyway. Let's keep trucking.
LOL. You say it like almost all of those people didn't say 'Actually I think Jupiter is town' right as they died. Instead, you tie the fact that they're confirmed town to a read they had 5 Days ago.At this point, the entire town suspects Jupiter. Ranmaru, JDietz, Red Ruy, Banana. All confirmed town.
//appeal to majority when there's nobody to convince
Are you forgetting that we made a giant ****in case about how Kuz was pushing our lynch without reason? And then you're trying to push our lynch based solely off the fact that KUZ said it. No actual reasons. Just 'hey look, one time, Kuz said this guy was scum!'Damdamdam... Banana still fails to substantiate.
But here comes role elaboration:
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This brings up the interesting possibility of JupiterIndy, but I still think it makes less sense in the bigger picture. (notelater: gaf JDietz armor en JDietz is mogelijk scum. belangrijk?)
ARE YOU REALLY GUNNA CITE THE EYEPATCH THING AS A GOOD POINTHeh.
Ohhh man. Good point.
Or someone with a town read on him. Someone who had explained how he had a town read on him. Someone who wasn't just throwing out random reads to look good. (that someone is me btw)Spoken like a true scum trying to prevent a mislynch for town points.
Why the hell are you including these posts. You're not going to convince Orbo to vote himself based off of them, and you're not convincing me that he's indy because one time JD thought he might be.Suspicion towards Orboknown.
Those posts literally could not be looked at as 'having an anti-town read on Orbo'. It's 'Orbo did some stuff we didn't like, but lets not rush it just yet.'TownOrbo on reread he said? Up until this post, you've held an anti-town read on Orbo. You still have it at this point. (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14229329&postcount=1904)
There we go again with an anti town read on Orboknown.
He was planning on pushing Orbo (seen 2 posts later).
HOLY ****, I'VE ALREADY ADDRESS THE CASE ON ME AND SHOWN WHY IT WAS ********! As for the Orbo case... what. Why should I care. I've done my read, I don't care what Gorf thinks at this point.
WHAAAAAAAAT. We pushed a SCUMREAD!? One that we justified the reasons for in the post?!Overall, Jupiter has been pushing Gorf hard. Once again, a target that was already dead (and town, might I add).
Why didn't you actually quote some of these, afraid Orbo might actually click on them? Wanting Orbo's claim higher doesn't mean 'OMG ORBO IS SCUM'. It means Orbo is a question mark that we need to look at.http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14246740&postcount=2004
This post once again shows how Jupiter had an anti town read on Orboknown.
WOW. Because THAT makes sense in a case for a game, just give up after a while. And while the night actions remark has already been addressed a number of times (wow imagine that, a point Xonar's making has already been addressed!), the 'semi sorta leading lynches' part is actually something new! And completely WRONG! Support this point, because right now you've got no evidence for me to blow away like the rest of this post.Stopped searching for Jupiterscum. It's obvious in the context of what he did before (repeated offending of semi sorta leading lynches but not really) and the night actions.
How are any of those things an indytellOrbo indy:
Background
No stances
Bad posting
Inactivity
etc
Are you going to do ANY actual thinking of your own, or are you just going to cite other people all game?Case on Orbo van JTB.
And yet, no one seems to give a **** about it. In factTypical case parroting for the lynch.
OH HEY, what's this?! The same 'case parroting' that you're calling Orbo out on! Following a damn good case isn't bad, but trying to pin someone based off of something you did the same damn thing of certainly is.Vote: Detective
L-1
Do...Do I need to point at my first post today? The one where you do this same thing, but without being prompted and suddenly have odd revelations about the role that you couldn't have had without BEING said role?He's been focusing purely on the Indy thus far. Don't like.
ALL SORTS OF DISGUSTING THOUGHTS.
No, thats actually a pretty well founded explanation for a town read.Feels like just trying to keep his read strong. Viewing it from two sides to not be committed though. Eww.
This is still pretty raw. Not arsed to really edit it too much, it should speak for itself.
Good ****ing god you are desperate for a lynch that's not you. And you're right, I DO need to lynch the indy. Because town loses if we don't lynch the indy. Because then the indy is last man standing. Like how are you not getting this.Thoughts:
If Orbo is indy and he had a BP then it was popped on Night 1 possibly. In this case, Orbo needs to vote Jupiter to not get endgamed because he has no BP.
There are some more situations in which Orboknown needs to vote Jupiter. Overall, if Orbo is indy and needs to secure a lynch, he will vote Glyph.
There are some situations in which he can lynch any of us, though. So no real read can be made from Orbo's voting behavior.
Jupiter on the other hand needs to lynch Indy to secure a win because he has no idea what Indy abilities are.
Now I'll get to this day itself.
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Xonar*, Jupiter's Biceps, DtJ Glyphmoney
UNVOTE UNVOTE UNVOTE UNVOTE UNVOTE UNVOTE
That changes absolutely NOTHING. You've examined me in the past, but you didn't get any information that had to do with what I was doing at that night, and you certainly didn't get confirmation of who I was sending my image to.Alright because apparently I was unclear.
I reported on you. To report on people, I follow them a day, then I go home and write about it.
While I was following you, you shot me. Because I was following you, I saw you shoot me, and was able to avoid. I "never want to do that again in my life" which he added (your hidden bulletproof triggered, and you lost it).
I didn't get an image (and you admit that it was the correct one) but I was told that it was sharpied on the side because... well, it was explained. It's also part of the command, which is "Tell bomb: playername". They then get bombed with the word "TOLD".
No, I actually don't. Its already been done. In the post you quoted a second ago.Goddamnit that matters not when it's such a specific bulletproof. Made for endgame, obviously.
Additionally, you REALLY need to substantiate your OrboTown read and I guess XonarScum better. I see no reason for you to 180 on both slots IN ENDGAME. That's REALLY convenient, especially when I was the first to make my move.
HA. 'Guys, just ignore that scummy part! The part where I slipped!'****ing kidding me? I was and still am pulling all my own weight. I'd almost want to blame this ESL bull****.
Look at the idea, not the words.
That is the worst goddamn reason in the ****ing world. You already HAD an investigation on us. You DID NOT have one on Orbo. You thought Orbo was anti-town, so if you had investigated him YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CATCH HIM ON SOMETHING. But nope! Jupiter investigation. Not only that, but you use your power in a way that makes it totally useless (except it turns out your power actually morphs into something super good if someone is targeting you, and also you have a secret BP)I thought it was game over because Orbo is/was last indy for sure >_>
I actually wrote a story about having gay sex with you to see what kind of fan mail I'd get. Figure my face when I got my results back.
And then Xonar accidentally undid all of the posts he had made by asking Orbo to actually read them.Alright, so I can't convince you that Orboknown is the true indy.
Then what else is left to do is to convince Orboknown that you are the scum which needs to die for Orboknown to win this game. Easily enough I'll join any side of the tri-spectrum because I, frankly, have no way to win this anymore as town except if you get abducted and then shoot Orboknown before dying (read: no chance).
I'll respond as soon as Orboknown checks in and tells me responding has a slight amount of use. Because this is dumb, ridiculous and plain out stalling. And a stalling battle you'll win because Orbo came into this day with a town read on you.
Orbo, READ EVERY POST. And no, just because there are words below a quote doesn't mean the answer is satisfactory.
This is ****ing dumb.
Check the post above this out. Jupiter has been maintaining an OrboAntiTown read the ENTIRE FRICKING GAME just like A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE so I doubt there is ANY REASON AT ALL to change that, especially when he TRUSTS ME LIKE A BLOCK OF CEMENT. THERE IS NOTHING IN HELL THAT WOULD MAKE HIM CHANGE THIS READ EXCEPT IF HE POPPED MY BULLETPROOF WHICH OBVIOUSLY HINTS AT INDY which is a terrible thing in this situation.First, no, we haven't. That's not to say we weren't pretty sure he was indy at one point, but its certainly not this rock solid read we've had all game.
Second, what the **** do we care what 'A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE' think. A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE thought Bardull was scum. A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE thought Inferno was scum. A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE thought Gorf was scum. A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE thought Detective was scum. That's why they all got LYNCHED. And guess what, those people were all WRONG.
Irt us changing our read, why the hell would we have gone into Lylo blindly when we thought the game would end with Ran, especially after that self-vote? And thank god we didn't, otherwise we wouldn't have caught YOU, champ!
And still don't have a shot, so 'popping your secret BP that only works when you're targeted' is a pretty hard reach.
Don't care, its still your slot. And being inactive is NOT the same as NEVER POSTING ONCE. And literally my slot has not been inactive this entire game. Sure we've had to like, sleep sometimes, but outside of that we've been pretty much one of the more active slots around.Fair point, I guess? I can't defend from pressure on ****ing Gova when I'm not ****ing Gova.
Obtw if inactivity itself is scummy then I'd like to point you to Orboknown and what about Jupiter every time a lynch wasn't decided during the first few days.
'I have never had a harder town read on anyone in my life'I never built a very strong connection.
And no, no we didn't. Show me the multiple posts where we say 'wow Xonar is town. I can't believe how town Xonar is. Guys, you know who's town? Xonar is!'What happened was a lot of agreement from both sides. You built as much connection to me as I did to you. This post can be returned immediately.
You really working hard at this, its adorable.Also, you were in sync with Gorf? Like this?
BUT STILL TOTALLY WRONG.
That post comes after, AFTER, the Gorf case. The one where I establish WHY we had a town read on him before, and then it gradually became a scum read.
You literally confirm what I was saying in that last paragraph. Thanks I could help, bro!Pleas to strong players? Don't ****ing kid with me. It's getting close to them? *****, if anything, if I want to get close to people with asking for a catch-up it's inexperienced players. Experienced players don't deduct reads from things like that, inexperienced players do.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14219191&postcount=1644
Read from this post onwards. I never plead for catch up besides asking Ryker/Raz (while Red Ruy answered eventually) and asking KuzKat for their town reads.
So you haven't read the game, but you get 4 reads from a total of what, 4 posts? Made by like, a total of 3 players? In 3 minutes.Way to misconstruct!
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14249198&postcount=2104
I hardly read the game. THE GAME. Not the last few posts. I skimmed the last few posts and read them after that post. 3 minutes is enough to switch skimreads into solid reads.
I am so tempted to repost my LaughingJake gif but I'll hold off.
Aahhhhhh what the hell, may as well do it anyway.
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Literally only the indy would have found it obvious. There was ZERO reason to think otherwise. Unless you'd like to walk me through exactly how you arrived at that conclusion on that Day?Uhm, it was a kinda obvious connection tbh. There was also no merit for an indy to claim it, I don't see how it gains someone town points.
Doesn't matter! You were still worried about SAFECLAIMS FOR SCUM. And the fact that you got an answer at all puts you in a pretty nasty situation, since Ryker wouldn't have given you information that could impact his bro's game in a million years.Oorrrrrr I asked Ryker who played with Laundry on AiB?
Except that post was made on D2. All of them were. There. Was. No. Reason.No. Really. There was no abduct N1 and N3. It made perfect sense.
You're stupid. Putting the information out is FINE. Its the fact that you've connected the plant role and the abduction that's the part that's suspect here.See, this is pure twisty.
Putting information out there is scummy now? MAN, MAFIA SURE CHANGED A LOT THE LAST 2 SECONDS OF MY LIFE.
Like are you actually reading this or just skimming and acting indignant?
Well that answers that question.Let me try this too!
No one asked about that. He just said it. For no reason.
And then Xonar admitted to being the indy.No it is not. I really don't know how to answer it because you're providing self-evident evidence. It's phrasing and tone of someone who knows what the indy can do because it is. Feel me?
Or the indy, working hard to look like he's not the indy.If anything, that's more something a scum would do because he needs indy gone ._.
No, its not. We're not talking about the instant you join the game. We're talking about when you start actually buddying up to us. Which you most certainly DID do.This is a total misconstruction of how it went.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14252573&postcount=2237
Click that post, read all posts surrounding it. It was a fluid transitioning from both sides.
IT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT. You saw me and EE as someone who had you as a solid town read. A STRONG PLAYER. WITH A SOLID TOWN READ. What's NOT to like about having that person in endgame with you?! Well there's the whole part about your plan falling apart at the last second, but that's just an oversight on your part really.Yeah in that case a strong player is obviously what I want
No, I went with the people who WERE MOST TOWN TO THE ENTIRE TOWN. I LITERALLY HAD PERFECT REASONS. Such a scummy misconstruction.
As for your 'perfect reasons', they sure are perfect for an indy.
Dare I use LaughingJake a THIRD time?!I don't need to convince people that you're scum per se, because it's quite the obvious conclusion. The thing I do need to convince you of is that I'm town, and this is part one of my defense. Going to keep going through the thread.
No, I don't. But this post totally merits it. You just say 'look, he's OBV scum!' Yet your case against me is:
-your made up, completely unbelievable night action that has magically changed since your claim
-'look at what other people have said'
And you're really wasting your breath. I'm not budging from this spot, since you're the indy. And I like to win mafia games.
All the reasons I have laid out against you in my many and numerous posts toDay.Catch this one, to even that terrain between us:
Why am I scum in one paragraph. Go.
Wow missed this little gem here. You just HAPPEN to have a secret facet in your role that makes you the ideal person to have in endgame. But you didn't know about it, so that's why you never spoke of it before.Goddamnit that matters not when it's such a specific bulletproof. Made for endgame, obviously.
LOL fair enough.And wow at you pushing the 'walls are anti-town' point against a hydra that has EE and Glyph in it.
orbo read every postorbo, read every post. And no, just because there are words below a quote doesn't mean the answer is satisfactory.
orbo only read posts if there is a nice summary in it, otherwise its scummyisn't it a legit scumtell when ee wants to keep wall warring?
Pretty sure walls are anti town when not coupled with a nice summary.
So what about it?
You might as well stop, I'll reply if Orbo wants me to >_>Assuming he's actually read, then it'll be a really easy pick. But if you're gunna stop posting here, I can do the same since I've already disassembled everything you'd tried to put up.
And then I posted off my ****ing hydra. In ****ing Lylo.Remind me how you know its 1v1v1. Oh right, because you're a secret BP who also gets tracker results but only in certain situations