Gigabots Manfia - GAME [JUMB]OVER. Who got the Gigatron?

[#HBC | ZoZo]

i swer y dont u evn dodge plant? cuz ur indy, tahts y.

y wud u shot me? y wud u send me a GIjoey but?

maeks no sens as town.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

U kent b slf-wtcher n scrt squirrel BP cuzzz u nevr claimt to be ablee to do does tings. U wouldfe claimt it as towny. Tis is the endd.

>_>
cuz i didnt kno u dumbyass

a killl u obv get informedd off.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

I aind no self-watchr, but u shot me cuz i saw it. i saw it wen i was reproting u.

so sent teh imaeg, not taht i truts you at all.

i swer im so mad rite now.

Funny, that's never happened before. Ever. From you. In this game.

And yet, here it conveniently is in endgame! What a surprise!

And yeah, if you'd read my post there's a damn good reason for shooting you AND why I'm not scared of being abducted.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I haev 2 lern for a test.

ill replye to it if i heav to, but i ratherr orbo end yur scumface witout troubl.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

bbl

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

>_>
cuz i didnt kno u dumbyass

a killl u obv get informedd off.

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

YOU'RE JOKING

YOU'RE THE TOWN SECRET BP REPORTER/TRACKER-WHO-ONLY-GETS-RESULTS-WHEN-THEY-LEAD-TO-HIMSELF-AND-DON'T-KILL-HIM

And conveniently, suddenly you have a result that PROVES me and EE shot you, making us scum!

So tell me Xonar, what does that make us? Mafia? Indy? You're putting out a lot of bull**** and not a lot of direction other than 'don't lynch me!'

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I HAVE NO ****ING CLUE BUT YOU ****ING SHOT ME SQUARE IN THE FACE LAST NIGHT YOU PIECE OF TRASH

GODDAMN NICE MISCONSTRUCTIONS THERE. SQUIRM UNDER MY ****ING FOOT AND EAT **** jezus

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

No no its fine, take all the time you need to prepare a defense. We'll wait here.

Plus there's the whole, you know, multiple points that indicate that you're an indy against your sudden explosion of self-PRs that say we shot you. After there was a no-kill last night. And the night before.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

I HAVE NO ****ING CLUE BUT YOU ****ING SHOT ME SQUARE IN THE FACE LAST NIGHT YOU PIECE OF TRASH

GODDAMN NICE MISCONSTRUCTIONS THERE. SQUIRM UNDER MY ****ING FOOT AND EAT **** jezus

Oh my god I am loving this reaction.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

Seriously though, the fact that instead of defending against ANY of the points you raised you instead opted to trumpet your completely unverifiable results (which absolutely do not line up with your claimed role in ANY way and conveniently were pulled out of your ***) is pretty goddamn telling on its own.

I mean DAMN Xonar. You went from 'guy who gets vague info about a player' to 'guy who is bulletproof but doesn't know he's bulletproof who actually gets super detailed and descriptive information and is also a tracker, but only sometimes'. Not only that, but that information is only coming forward on the day when a ML would win you the game.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I mean DAMN Xonar. You went from 'guy who gets vague info about a player' to 'guy who is bulletproof but doesn't know he's bulletproof who actually gets super detailed and descriptive information and is also a tracker, but only sometimes'. Not only that, but that information is only coming forward on the day when a ML would win you the game.

Except that's simply not true.

I'm ONLY BP if someone targets me. I got no information last night because I had to protect my ****ing *** from your ****ing gun. I don't get super detailed or descriptive information and I'm not a tracker.

Why the **** you haven't posted your drawing either is an enigma to me. You are telling me that I'm making this drawing and the shot up?
"EORKIUHREJNDKFKLSDF" - My fist ft. my keyboard on caps lock.

GJ misconstruing everything. You rode on my plan because you know it's ****ing impossible for me to convince the density that is Orboknown's town read on you because it has been there all ****ing game, apparently.

No. This situation isn't optimal for me, it's optimal for you. YOU have a shot. YOU have a player in here with a solid town read on you that has been going for a long time.

I swear I better get ray'd if something bad happens.

I have to go to school now (soonish). More in 6 hours.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

You sure as hell got me by allowing me to go til end-game just to **** me over in what I planned to be my last mafia game.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

So much mad if I lose this.

Orboknown, I got the drawing from the mod later. I got a pinwheel with wood attached to it, it's sorta a windmill. It says "girls" on it. It's the anime picture that Jupiter sent me. Apparently it distracts you.

Just clarifying.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

I got no information last night because I had to protect my ****ing *** from your ****ing gun. I don't get super detailed or descriptive information and I'm not a tracker.

I aind no self-watchr, but u shot me cuz i saw it. i saw it wen i was reproting u.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

You are claiming that you were informed that we apparently targeted you for a kill upon targeting us. Ergo, your role magically transmogrified into a tracker.

Or is it because you're a secret BP? Y'know, because BPs are always told who tried to kill them. That is definitely a thing that takes place in mafia games and isn't literally ********.

no, you came into this day pulling out as much **** from your *** as you could, as fast as possible, and then threw it around and tried to convince everybody it's chocolate. It's not chocolate. It's ****.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

Like, the fact that Zonie is attacking the labels that GLife and I are very, very sarcastically attaching to the things he is claiming seriously tells you everything you need to know. It is blatantly clear that the scumminess we're pointing to resides in cluster**** of out-of-nowhere conclusive, black and white and condemning information that his role is suddenly able to obtain, in addition to the Secret BP that conveniently incriminates us for a nightkill that doesn't ****ing exist.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

That and the fact that he decided to re-investigate our slot a second time, despite having a gameplan going in to today that literally accounted for a Ran town flip. Just HAPPENED to decide, you know what, maybe I'll take a look a JB again! Yeah I know I already did that once, but it just couldn't hurt to do again right WHOA OMG THEY SHOT ME!!!! Good thing I decided it wasn't worth looking into that person I was super sure was the last indy!

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

So much mad if I lose this.

Wow slip a little harder, indyXonar

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

Except that's simply not true.

You knew exactly what I sent you as an image. Before we had so much as hinted as to what the image was.

I'm ONLY BP if someone targets me.

And for someone who didn't know they were BP, you sure know an awful lot about what triggers it. So what are you saying here Xonar? That there are times when you're NOT BP? If that's not the case, why phrase it like this?

I got no information last night because I had to protect my ****ing *** from your ****ing gun. I don't get super detailed or descriptive information and I'm not a tracker.

Oh hey that's super cool bro! But wait, you DID get information last night! You got the info that we gave you the image! In explicit detail! AND you claim to know for sure that it was US who shot you!

Why the **** you haven't posted your drawing either is an enigma to me. You are telling me that I'm making this drawing and the shot up?
"EORKIUHREJNDKFKLSDF" - My fist ft. my keyboard on caps lock.

What difference does it make? You've claimed an image and I can prove its true. But the thing is, you're not making up the image part. Just the shot.

GJ misconstruing everything. You rode on my plan because you know it's ****ing impossible for me to convince the density that is Orboknown's town read on you because it has been there all ****ing game, apparently.

Xonar, would you like me to go dig up all your quotes in which you say 'Biceps is not indy or mafia. Biceps is town. I have never had a harder town read in my life.' Because I will (I just don't think I need to).

Not to forget that YOU were the one who put forth those plans in the first place! YOU were the one to say 'Xonar and Biceps need to go to endgame', and up until the Ran town flip, we were on board with that.

No. This situation isn't optimal for me, it's optimal for you. YOU have a shot. YOU have a player in here with a solid town read on you that has been going for a long time.

Except this whole situation was engineered by YOU. YOU were the one who pushed a Biceps/Xonar endgame. (I feel like I'm having to repeat myself). And on top of that, WE DON'T HAVE A SHOT. AND EVEN IF THIS WERE CRAZYLAND AND WE DID, WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE?! This is LYLO! There's not going to BE another night phase in which we would be able to use our pretend shot! (spoiler irt the difference it would make, none at all and you're just looking for any and all points you can use against us. And hey, they all stem from your made up night actions).

I swear I better get ray'd if something bad happens.

For someone this worried about getting vined, you'd think they would have stuck to their silly posting.

I have to go to school now (soonish). More in 6 hours.

Have a good day :-)

So much mad if I lose this.

Orboknown, I got the drawing from the mod later. I got a pinwheel with wood attached to it, it's sorta a windmill. It says "girls" on it. It's the anime picture that Jupiter sent me. Apparently it distracts you.

Just clarifying.

(good thing you clarified what it did beyond 'distracting you', otherwise it would make it look like a desperate attempt to make the thing we sent you look scummy)

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

>_>

wow youre terribly twisty

Orbo, be honest here, can I still convince you? If not, don't make me waste my time.

If so, I'll go back and see why Kuz+Kat had a scum read on Jupiter and react to all his posts today. Yes, things in his posts are terrible.

To be 100% frank, I have no scum read on Jupiter. But then this night happened. He must be scum. It's not my read, it's night action result.

So, tell me Glyph, why the **** would I start the day off with Jupiter suspicion like this? Why the **** would I do that?
If I were indy I would go on Orbo. I literally have zero reason to go for you.
The only reason you went for me is because you have no choice. Why in god's name would I turn on you with a claim that will look bad (hidden BP) AND which will result in your word vs mine WHEN I CAN SIMPLY GO FOR ORBOKNOWN?
Hell, even if everything happened as you say it had (no kill), there is NO WAY I would go for Orboknown.

I'll be waiting for that guy to tell me whether or not I'm wasting my time. Call this an appeal to authority or whatever, but Kuzinator and Kataefi (two of the best dGames players) had a hard scum read on Jupiter. Mill that one.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

No I haven't read that latest post. Going to get some awesome food now and then I'll really be back in 6 hours.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Just read Jupiters case.

Should be a piece of cake to run that in the ground. I swear Orbo, by the end of my upcoming big post you'll be seeing Jupiter scum based on his play this day. I will also read the thread and see where KuzKat's suspicion came from.

Dip

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Oh god I'm going to be betting on my reads hard here.

Currently skimming the thread.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

unvote

Orbo, don't hammer yet.

Jupiter, I got business with you. You'll have to wait a long time before the post is done though.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I do request you unvote for now.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I am officially confused. Do you like this blog?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

It's easily summed up.

Jupiter, you're scum.
You think I'm the indy because I popped my BP last night when you shot me, but I'm not.
There are a lot of flaws in your new read on me and I'll point them out.

You know that Indy always have most endgame power, right? If you lynch me and Orbo is the true Indy, you're done for.
The Indy at this point can literally lynch anyone. However, because you're scum, you have to lynch the Indy. Because I'm town, I've already lost the game. The only thing I can do now is run for second place, which I'll gladly do.

There are a few sides to it though. On one hand, I think you deserve this win and I'm willing to lynch Orbo with you. On the other hand, I don't like the disrespect you sent my way with that picture, but that's part of the game, so I'm willing to forgive you on this.

Yes, I know you can waltz through this by saying "Nope, I'm town", then appealing to Orbo who is Indy and lynch me. That is, if you believe I'm Indy. There's a reason you had this town read on me, and I'll wake you up from that weird-*** change you made. There's also a reason why you thought Orboknown was Indy, and I'll remind you of that too.

I find it very doubtful that you changed reads because of a reread (and I can prove it), that means that you MUST have been the one to make the shot. There's no charade left. Who wins the game at this point is basically up to you. You can ask me to lynch Orbo with you, you can ask Orbo to lynch me with you. It depends on your read.

Yes, there will be a big *** gigantium post coming up. No worries. Still skimming through. Still at page 43 after some quick-*** skimming. I'll even substantiate my scum read on you because I figured why not.

Unvote though.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Never thought I'd see the day where I'm appealing to the scum.

Yes, Jupiter, I'm leaving my life in your hands. But I also trust you can take this home. I really think you deserve this win, I've been looking it through and your set up has been outstanding. Major props, we'll talk about this post-game.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Fun fact: I've been deciding whether or not to respond at all all day. I'm going through my monthly depression period. Sucks man. Drowning bad feelings with reading mafia right now.

Page 48. Interesting developments, all pointing towards IndyOrbo and ScumJupiter.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

You know, I realized, if I'm right, I have nobody to convince of Jupiter scum. Orbo can lynch anyone and Jupiter knows what's up himself.

The only thing I can do is convince Jupiter that Orbo is Indy. Damdamdam.


50.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Page 64.

Stopped looking for Jupiter scum a long time ago. Too damn obvious. You are scum bro. That means that Orboknown is Indy by PoE. I'll post my findings of everything up to this day, then I'll reply to your pressure this day, then I'll see what's left.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Aaaand 69.

I've got raw thoughts, will edit them into cohesive thinking and post it. I feel my ESL power level rising...

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Notes:

Skimmed the thread.

The basic idea of the theory is that Jupiter is scum. Orboknown is the indy.
That would make the scumteam consisting of JTB/Muscles (+JDietz maybe, doesn't really matter), with Ryker as traitor.

That means that Muscles set JTB up to die with that claim to get an endgame ticket. That means that he intentionally didn't kill the other day. It makes sense. Let's run some numbers once again:
<
JTB, Ranmaru, Orboknown, Xonar, Jupiter
Now, we lynch JTB. This situation arises:
Ranmaru, Orboknown, Xonar, Jupiter

Now, this branches in two directions:

No nightkill: (CLEARS SUSPICION OF INDY)
Ranmaru, Orboknown, Xonar, Jupiter
Lynch:
Orboknown, Xonar, Jupiter
Shoot:
Xonar, Jupiter
Jupiter win.
OR
Shoot:
Orboknown,Jupiter
Jupiter win because he has a bullet.

Other direction:
Nightkill: (KEEPS SCUM SUSPICION)
Ranmaru/Xonar, Orboknown,Jupiter
Jupiter unlynchable because of my behavior. Still more chance to lynch because there is a confirmed scum, which would've most likely been Jupiter.
>

Interesting posts:

Speaking of mafia factions, I'm the traitor. Don't kill me, EE, I can't be converted.

For the normal eye, this is but RVS shenanigans. For the actual scum team, this is a VERY CLEAR SIGN.
Old notes: Note that he also hinted at two factions. Subtle crumb to hint the mafia that he's a traitor. Directing it to EE, which looks innocent at first sight, but as EEscum, you see that it's ACTUALLY SERIOUS.

JTB, c'mon. We know you're scum. What's with the transparent distancing attempt?

Hohohohoho.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14199697&postcount=955 (later post)
From post on onwards, Orbo suspicion from Jupiter.

End of Day1.

yo guys, EE hurr.

I've done a super giga powerskim, so Glyph's got the helm for now. Gonna try to read up for real tomorrow whenever I wake up. I will pay special attention to Orbo, as apparently that's a thing that needs to be done; I've been keeping watch over FFT as some of you know and Orbo was a PITA to read, but I managed to get his number there. Should have some valuable insight if I don't find him deserving of the attention.

Anyone that's on Orbo, gimme why.

End of Day2. Noticed that Jupiter became active immediately after Bardull was basically dead already.

Anyway. Let's keep trucking.

At this point, the entire town suspects Jupiter. Ranmaru, JDietz, Red Ruy, Banana. All confirmed town.
//appeal to majority when there's nobody to convince

Because he's played scummy as ****. He claims a PR and a swingy setup and that supposedly clears all that up?

Damdamdam... Banana still fails to substantiate.
But here comes role elaboration:

Your reasoning for voting John D2.

The fact that he even targeted Ran to give him some sort of power sets off huge danger flags. As town he'd be giving his inventions to people he'd think would use them wisely. Him giving Ranmaru a picture of a butt is exactly what he would do as scum, because it gives him a way to confirm his PR while not actually buffing anyone that would turn on them. And he can just use the excuse, well I was just trolling Ran with a butt which is why I chose him as a target.

@RR: The setup is swingy.

Like god Jupiter is so scum I don't even.

word

Ran aligned with Jupiter? Oh I'm not even trying to figure that **** out.

If I had to guess, I'd say 2v2v1. Maybe just 3v2. Jupiter is probably that 1 as, if he had mates, he'd just give abilities to them. I'm guessing indy flip. I also don't really care how this affects Ran. I had a town read on him awhile back but need to reread anyway.

This brings up the interesting possibility of JupiterIndy, but I still think it makes less sense in the bigger picture. (notelater: gaf JDietz armor en JDietz is mogelijk scum. belangrijk?)

And I mean, come on, you KNOW EE is a fan of strong endgame players over weak clears.

John target N2. Really?

Heh.

I'd also like to point out the eyepatch actually covers up Stryker from firing his lazer. If anything Glyph tried to block John's vig shot but wanted to sort of give the appearance that he was buffing him up if he was forced to claim.

It's like RR says. If he actually was trying to buff up John, draw him a gigashield or some ****. So scum.

So scum.

Ohhh man. Good point.

I'm not saying Gorf is 100% no doubt town, but I also see a great deal of town in what he's done.

Spoken like a true scum trying to prevent a mislynch for town points.

The Orbo push is weird to me. I can see why people wouldn't have his slot as affirmative town as he's only really been here in two stints, but I don't quite see his as glaring scum that seems left field. He's null leaning needs to post.

It's part of the reason I copped Gorf, the Orbo push seemed forced to me. Your slot at least looked convinced of Orbo being up to something, Gorf not so much, yet willing to go with it.

Suspicion towards Orboknown.

Ehhhh don't jump the boat on that one. Orbo is difficult to force into usefulness.

But town intent is way more apparent in townOrbo than in that string of posts. And from what I saw you could always count on townOrbo to answer to your issues and try to reconcile them. Here he's just trying to dust the pressure off his shoulders with the 2man Jdietz and it's grimy as ****.

TownOrbo on reread he said? Up until this post, you've held an anti-town read on Orbo. You still have it at this point. (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14229329&postcount=1904)

@Xonar: Because I haven't read D1 yet, really. Which is where the meat of Orbo suspicion is supposed to be coming from.

didn't like his string of posts or his answers, but he said he's gonna do ****. Why not give him a chance?

There we go again with an anti town read on Orboknown.

As of right now, though, Kat has convinced me that Gorf isn't scum. I'm telling you already that I will be pushing in another direction. We only have two days until deadline, though, so I except everyone to be active n ****. That includes you Gorf. If you want to live past this phase I need you in here helping me.

He was planning on pushing Orbo (seen 2 posts later).

HOLY **** A CASE ON ORBO
but that ain't all
A CASE ON BOTH JUPITER AND SUSPICION CAST ON ORBO!

Overall, Jupiter has been pushing Gorf hard. Once again, a target that was already dead (and town, might I add).

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14246740&postcount=2004

This post once again shows how Jupiter had an anti town read on Orboknown.

Stopped searching for Jupiterscum. It's obvious in the context of what he did before (repeated offending of semi sorta leading lynches but not really) and the night actions.

Orbo indy:
Background
No stances
Bad posting
Inactivity
etc

First off is the name of the role. Let's look at all the current flips/claims

Tracker
(Popcap) Vigilante
Jailer
Bodyguard
Vigilante
Thief
Reporter
Inventor
Mass Roleblocker

....and De-Evolutionary Ray. All of the roles we have seen have been traditional Mafia roles, but De-Evolutionary Ray? That's not even a role, its a ****ing POWER. First red flag.

Second red flag is the power itself. The only application of it that has been brought up is for removing the vines. Again, this seems really out of place. The method of abduction is already weak as it is (if I'm understanding it correctly), you have to say a certain word during the Day in order to activate it and even so, there's no guarantee the word will be said (see Day 3). So...why is there a town role that solely exists to stop the already weak indy? I know this is reaching, but there are three possible situations:

1) Orbo is really town de-evo ray and exists solely to stop the indy.
2) Orbo is the indy and has the ability to retract the vines in order to appear more town
3) Orbo is the indy and is lying about the ability to remove the vines


I really wish I had more time to work on this prior to work, but I have to start getting ready to leave. Other things that need to be checked are:



Someone should check his activity D2 and see if this is actually true.

His play in general. I remember asking him some questions earlier in the Day and not getting straight answers, I want to check if his play throughout the game has been on the sidelines and measures up to what to be expected of an indy.

Case on Orbo van JTB.

Orbo, why did you vote for us without waiting for our response?

Because, jupiter threw a solid case and pressure on you can't hurt. plus what your role seems like it could be, and the dangerous implications makes it seem like the plan to me.

Typical case parroting for the lynch.

im leaning toward ran being that vine thing, because iirc everyone who has flipped has had some form of PR and he has something that makes you look at him before continuing on your merry way? seems off.

He's been focusing purely on the Indy thus far. Don't like.

you guys think killing the abductor will release the abductees?

ALL SORTS OF DISGUSTING THOUGHTS.

because he seems to be having town intentions. his inventions have generally been to the advantage of town(IE- controlling JTB's kill as town wished), he has been hunting down scum and getting out good cases, and yea. don't see him as indy, if he is then we're JWF'd and all that jazz. though like mathblasters proves he can decieve pretty damn well.

Feels like just trying to keep his read strong. Viewing it from two sides to not be committed though. Eww.

This is still pretty raw. Not arsed to really edit it too much, it should speak for itself.


Thoughts:

If Orbo is indy and he had a BP then it was popped on Night 1 possibly. In this case, Orbo needs to vote Jupiter to not get endgamed because he has no BP.
There are some more situations in which Orboknown needs to vote Jupiter. Overall, if Orbo is indy and needs to secure a lynch, he will vote Glyph.
There are some situations in which he can lynch any of us, though. So no real read can be made from Orbo's voting behavior.

Jupiter on the other hand needs to lynch Indy to secure a win because he has no idea what Indy abilities are.

Now I'll get to this day itself.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

That's about three hours of work, bitches.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

LOL Xonar, if we shot you, then who's the abductor?

Oh right it would be you, making you the indy.

Or, you know, Orboknown.

Responding to your big *** post right now.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

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UNVOTE UNVOTE UNVOTE UNVOTE UNVOTE UNVOTE

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

But WOW, what happened from 'I'm Glyph and I'm not even going to talk tomorrow I'm just gunna vote Orbo and be done with this game.' Well honestly, I expected the game to be over with the ran flip. When Ran flipped town, we were forced to re-evaluate some things, and with only you two alive, it was a pretty easy task. EE, being the one who's good with paper trails, was tasked with reading Orbo, while I didn't do anything since we thought Orbo was pretty obv indy. BUT THEN EVERYTHING CHANGED. EE came back with a town read on Orbo, and I'm inclined to think he knows what he's saying esp after reading him correctly in FFT which he spectated. The next logical step was EE wanting me to look into Xonar.

This is ****ing dumb.
Check the post above this out. Jupiter has been maintaining an OrboAntiTown read the ENTIRE FRICKING GAME just like A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE so I doubt there is ANY REASON AT ALL to change that, especially when he TRUSTS ME LIKE A BLOCK OF CEMENT. THERE IS NOTHING IN HELL THAT WOULD MAKE HIM CHANGE THIS READ EXCEPT IF HE POPPED MY BULLETPROOF WHICH OBVIOUSLY HINTS AT INDY which is a terrible thing in this situation.

This is the result.

Lets kick things off with an analysis of Gova's play.

This concludes our analysis of Gova. Jokes aside, Gova literally did not post ONCE through the duration of D1 or D2. Did he have time to do so? He most certainly did, I even skyped with him on a number of occasions through that period of time. If you reflect on the meta case that's been brought up on Gova multiple times, you'll notice that him flat out not playing is not exactly his town meta. Its his scum meta. But what fun would it be if I were to stop there?

Fair point, I guess? I can't defend from pressure on ****ing Gova when I'm not ****ing Gova.
Obtw if inactivity itself is scummy then I'd like to point you to Orboknown and what about Jupiter every time a lynch wasn't decided during the first few days.

We've had a pretty solid town read on Xonar since he first showed up. Spoke a lot of sense in the game, and really just seemed to be thinking the same **** I was. Felt a lot like Gorf's D2 play, where we just were in sync on ****. And really, outside of being forced to look at him as a candidate for being an indy I doubt I would have ever suspected him. Xonar spent a lot of his time since he replaced in building a very strong connection to this slot, and likely it was building to this very moment where big strong EE and Glyph would swoop in and give him the critical ML he needed to end the game.

I never built a very strong connection. What happened was a lot of agreement from both sides. You built as much connection to me as I did to you. This post can be returned immediately.

Also, you were in sync with Gorf? Like this?

But it ain't a Biceps case without the muscle to back up what we're pushing.

Xonar enters the game not with a bang, but with a whimper. Almost all of his early posts are pleas with strong players (one even to Ryker/Raz, who was dead at the time) to catch him up in the game. But why choose THOSE players? Why blindly trust the people most likely to be capable of deceiving you? To get CLOSE to them, that's why. Asking someone for help is a great way to get someone to think better of you. You'll see a lot more of this buddying up to the current strongest player later on (though I'm sure you can remember how connected at the hip he was to this slot).

Pleas to strong players? Don't ****ing kid with me. It's getting close to them? *****, if anything, if I want to get close to people with asking for a catch-up it's inexperienced players. Experienced players don't deduct reads from things like that, inexperienced players do.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14219191&postcount=1644

Read from this post onwards. I never plead for catch up besides asking Ryker/Raz (while Red Ruy answered eventually) and asking KuzKat for their town reads.

Our first tip off comes soon after the JTB claim was put forth. I ask Xonar to discuss the pros and cons of NLing that day, to which he responds:



He hasn't read. And he's going to read the recent posts. Pay careful attention to the timestamp on this one.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14249213&postcount=2106

Not directly quoting this one to preserve the quotes inside of it. But seriously, take a look at what's done in there. The quotes he's included are literally the 3 posts just before when I ask the question of him. And from those posts, he suddenly has reads on EVERY player currently alive in the game! Not only did he have time to deduce those, but he also took the time to quote the posts in question, order them, and respond to each of them.

That is not **** you get done in 3 minutes, not in a mafia game.

Way to misconstruct!

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14249198&postcount=2104

I hardly read the game. THE GAME. Not the last few posts. I skimmed the last few posts and read them after that post. 3 minutes is enough to switch skimreads into solid reads.

I'll be talking a lot about points like this one as well. But for now, lets just look at THIS specific line of that post. Lets take a trip back to D3, or more specifically, lets look at what we knew from flips on D3. Inferno and Bardull had flipped town. Ryker was dead, and John was abducted. We also know that John had been vined before being abducted.

And yet, its the humble Xonar who is the only one to pick up on this connection. Probably because the only way to deduce that connection correctly at this stage in the game would be to have been responsible for it. John was all but CONFIRMED town via his claim, so it came as no real surprise to see he had been taken out of the game. It was a very logical abduction target, and the vines really seemed to be more of a coincidence than anything.

Uhm, it was a kinda obvious connection tbh. There was also no merit for an indy to claim it, I don't see how it gains someone town points.

New point to address!



That's a pretty big assumption to make, considering Laundry has only run one game on this site other than Gigabots and that one had an open setup. Which MEANS either Xonar came into the game asking if Laundry gave scum safeclaims and someone was short-sighted enough to actually tell him (which considering some of the stuff I've seen happen in this board is actually not that far fetched), or he already had a safeclaim himself to reference.

Oorrrrrr I asked Ryker who played with Laundry on AiB?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14252587&postcount=2247
But lets get back to a show I call 'Xonar brings up things about the Indy that are not only probably correct, but for no reason.' Above you'll see our first exhibit, in which the point 'he wasn't sure he had brought up yet' suddenly is nothing but a theory. A theory that still has no reason to exist, might I add.

No. Really. There was no abduct N1 and N3. It made perfect sense.

But then, a plot twist!







No one asked about that. No one even hinted that the indy was connected to the plant or abduction. He just made that connection on his own. For no reason (oh wait the reason is he's the indy).

See, this is pure twisty.
Putting information out there is scummy now? MAN, MAFIA SURE CHANGED A LOT THE LAST 2 SECONDS OF MY LIFE.

Let me try this too!

On another note: Gorf being Phoenix does make sense in the context of the flavor cop... to a degree. Phoenix spent a good chunk of the series being in charge of the Gigabots (authority figure), but struggled to gain the respect of his fellow pilots (ill-repute). I personally wouldn't have made him a jailer, but I also wouldn't have made Stephen a tracker or Commander Stryker a Popcap Vig.

No one asked about that. He just said it. For no reason.

This one comes out of LEFT FIELD. No lead in for it at all. And on the surface, hey, its a good point that could lead to us not getting anyone else abducted, right?

BUT OH YEAH, THAT TONE AND PHRASING IS NOT OF SOMEONE WHO 'HAS A THEORY'. THIS IS SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THE INDY CAN DO.

No it is not. I really don't know how to answer it because you're providing self-evident evidence. It's phrasing and tone of someone who knows what the indy can do because it is. Feel me?

That's a total of SIX times he brings up stuff about the indy without any real reason to do so, or any reasons to support his actions.

If anything, that's more something a scum would do because he needs indy gone ._.

Then we're throwing it back to one of my first points, the whole 'buddying the strong player' strategy. From an indy standpoint, its a beautiful opportunity. He sees our slot, incredibly frustrated by case after preposterous case and ready to snap. Imagine our relief when someone joins the game and actually is seeing the things we are! Hot damn, he's so in tune with us he MUST be town!

This is a total misconstruction of how it went.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14252573&postcount=2237
Click that post, read all posts surrounding it. It was a fluid transitioning from both sides.

But then there's the fact that every scenario put forth by Xonar is designed to put Biceps and himself in endgame. And when you're an indy, you're certainly going to make sure you're putting yourself and someone who's gunna follow what you say in endgame.

Yeah in that case a strong player is obviously what I want

No, I went with the people who WERE MOST TOWN TO THE ENTIRE TOWN. I LITERALLY HAD PERFECT REASONS. Such a scummy misconstruction.



I don't need to convince people that you're scum per se, because it's quite the obvious conclusion. The thing I do need to convince you of is that I'm town, and this is part one of my defense. Going to keep going through the thread.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Where the hell do you see us saying 'we shot you'.

Also, even if you really were BP, how the hell would you know who shot you? And how did you know that we sent you a butt with the word 'told' on it when its confirmed our power only gives people an ability, not the image?

I mean, you're suddenly adding both 'SECRET BP' and 'SELF WATCHER' to your claim in ENDGAME.

Alright because apparently I was unclear.

I reported on you. To report on people, I follow them a day, then I go home and write about it.
While I was following you, you shot me. Because I was following you, I saw you shoot me, and was able to avoid. I "never want to do that again in my life" which he added (your hidden bulletproof triggered, and you lost it).

I didn't get an image (and you admit that it was the correct one) but I was told that it was sharpied on the side because... well, it was explained. It's also part of the command, which is "Tell bomb: playername". They then get bombed with the word "TOLD".

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Funny, that's never happened before. Ever. From you. In this game.

And yet, here it conveniently is in endgame! What a surprise!

And yeah, if you'd read my post there's a damn good reason for shooting you AND why I'm not scared of being abducted.

Goddamnit that matters not when it's such a specific bulletproof. Made for endgame, obviously.

Additionally, you REALLY need to substantiate your OrboTown read and I guess XonarScum better. I see no reason for you to 180 on both slots IN ENDGAME. That's REALLY convenient, especially when I was the first to make my move.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Goddamnit why am I still pleading JupiScum.

Orbo is Indy goddamnit. I also have no idea how endgaming works because the fact that I have no idea what possible abilities Orbo has.

Every Anti Town in this game has to make solid reads at this point.

For town:
If lynch scum, endgame from Indy.
If lynch indy, endgame from Scum.

For scum:
If lynch town, possible endgame from Indy.
If lynch indy, guaranteed win.


For indy:
If lynch town, possible endgame from Scum.
If lynch scum, guaranteed win.

Town wins if Scum gets abducted and shoots Indy before being pulled away.