Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[ForsakenM]

So, how does this board react if he leaks a SMRPG song?

EDIT: I had a picture of Gimli saying "No one panic! It was deliberate!" but the site flipped me not one but both birds, so this will have to do.

I'll just write this once because I don't feel like going under yet another legal explanation for Sora when making research take 5min but:
-Sora is LEGALLY as in paperwork owned by Disney
-HOWEVER Square-Enix are the one to manage his appearance as THEY ARE the one who created the Characters
-NOMURA is the one who gives the okay for every appearance of Sora

Thus explaining why you don't see Disney whoring the Kingdom Hearts Characters.
Sure there a line of toys 100% Disney without any mention of Square-Enix, but they still needed Square's greenlight and management to do it.

On another news, let's be real, this doesn't hurt Geno's chance at all. Sure the leak being fake is sad, but in the end Geno's chance are still in an all time high!
And the leak just showed us how great Geno could look like if Nintendo did their best!

Thank you, I thought I was gonna have to slap some knowledge into someone. Seriously, the only reason Sora is more likely to be DLC is because Sakurai has to work with both SE and Da Big D to make sure the character inclusion is acceptable to Nomura while also making Disney that big money AND Sakurai making sure that it also goes how he believes it should.

Disney isn't unreasonable, they just really like money.

Also, I'm still not getting this 'Geno is in, bois, f dat fake leak' because frankly we still have 'ruffled feathers' that are agitated and we have not GOT DAYUM idea as to why or how.

 

[Mr Gentleman]

Was this leak posted here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=HD1MaY3dVHo

I was kinda hoping it was gonna be a rickroll after the slash. and then I wonder why I wanted that, and then I wonder why nobody has done that yet. (okay somebody probably has and I just haven't seen it)

 

[PhilosophicAnimal]

Also, I'm still not getting this 'Geno is in, bois, f dat fake leak' because frankly we still have 'ruffled feathers' that are agitated and we have not GOT DAYUM idea as to why or how.

It's a little thing I like to call "faith." I like to believe he is in, and not one bit of evidence short of disconfirmation is going to make me change my mind.

If you gave me a choice between assuming he was in for months then getting hit with disappointment, or feeling like garbage for months telling myself not to get hyped up just to avoid that one bit of fallout before I get to play an already amazing game...well, I choose the former. I frankly don't get the logic behind pessimism in any form.

All that said, though, this is starting to get miserable regardless. Speculation is fun for a while--when you have concrete information to work with. But with the current state it's in, it's just getting annoying. The game is out in less than two months. I want some FACTS.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Remember, the leak may be in private circles.

Tansut said he doesn't know if it's public or private.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah come to think of it I've seen the Spartans and Geno working together.

Dang never knew he was a Halo character.

Anyway all jokes aside that was pretty cool for a fan-made trailer even if it's from Halo.

 

[Mr Gentleman]

Yeah come to think of it I've seen the Spartans and Geno working together.

Dang never knew he was a Halo character.

Anyway all jokes aside that was pretty cool for a fan-made trailer even if it's from Halo.

although even if someone hadn't mentioned it being fake before watching it I would have thought it too weird and out of place to be real. it lingered on a black screen for too long. also why would they leak something by only showing the start of the trailer? it's in those line of leaks where if this person was actually trying to leak something they would show off more then they did.

 

[valkiriforce]

It's a little thing I like to call "faith." I like to believe he is in, and not one bit of evidence short of disconfirmation is going to make me change my mind.

If you gave me a choice between assuming he was in for months then getting hit with disappointment, or feeling like garbage for months telling myself not to get hyped up just to avoid that one bit of fallout before I get to play an already amazing game...well, I choose the former. I frankly don't get the logic behind pessimism in any form.

I'm definitely of this mindset as well. Disappointment isn't the biggest deal in the world for me when it comes to video games, since some franchises I love haven't been getting the attention they deserve for many years now. I came into Ultimate hoping I'd at least see Wolf again, but we got Wolf, Snake and everybody back again. After all of this I think my want for Geno came back to life after so long, since I hadn't thought much about him since the Brawl days when he was talked about quite often at the time, and it's threads like these that remind me how much I'd like to see him appear again. I am somehow thinking it would make sense for him to make it this time around though, and I'm hoping it does come true. No better way to make the ultimate sendoff than to include some of the long-requested characters like Ridley, K Rool, Geno and hopefully any others.

I think the best way to deal with the low speculation periods is to find another game to occupy your time - I finished Super Mario RPG a month ago, and played through Jet Force Gemini, and lately I've been enjoying Final Fantasy IV since Mario RPG put me in the mood for more old-school RPG games I grew up with. At the very least I do look through these boards now and then even if there isn't much going on, but I don't mind conversing about some things now and then if there is anything to talk about.

 

[DOTBHDD]

I think he is going to be in.

Geno has been requested for how long? If Sakurai can make a deal to convince Snake to come back, and make Simon a new character, and get Bomberman as an assist trophy... then we should definitely get Geno.

Square Enix and Nintendo have been pretty buddy buddy lately. Square has to 100% be aware of the fan demand. Sakurai has to 100% be aware of the fan demand. If both know the demand is there and there's a reoccurring pattern with Ultimate's newcomers in that they are high request, Geno should be among them.

I think Geno is in. I think leaks are stupid as all hell and Geno will just show up revealed because honestly... it's time.

 

[PhilosophicAnimal]

I'm definitely of this mindset as well. Disappointment isn't the biggest deal in the world for me when it comes to video games, since some franchises I love haven't been getting the attention they deserve for many years now. I came into Ultimate hoping I'd at least see Wolf again, but we got Wolf, Snake and everybody back again. After all of this I think my want for Geno came back to life after so long, since I hadn't thought much about him since the Brawl days when he was talked about quite often at the time, and it's threads like these that remind me how much I'd like to see him appear again. I am somehow thinking it would make sense for him to make it this time around though, and I'm hoping it does come true. No better way to make the ultimate sendoff than to include some of the long-requested characters like Ridley, K Rool, Geno and hopefully any others.

I think the best way to deal with the low speculation periods is to find another game to occupy your time - I finished Super Mario RPG a month ago, and played through Jet Force Gemini, and lately I've been enjoying Final Fantasy IV since Mario RPG put me in the mood for more old-school RPG games I grew up with. At the very least I do look through these boards now and then even if there isn't much going on, but I don't mind conversing about some things now and then if there is anything to talk about.

Yeah, if you're a fan of pretty much any Nintendo series that isn't Mario, Zelda or Pokemon, then you certainly understand disappointment, lol. I never thought about it before, but you're absolutely right. Being a Pikmin fan myself, the wait for 3 was absolutely brutal. Nothing compares to the suffering of F-Zero fans, though. Those guys have it rough.

And yeah, I've also been trying to distract myself with other games, to varied success. Hollow Knight was great, and my run through the Luigi's Mansion series was fun. Now though, I've finally jumped on the Splatoon bandwagon--3 years later, lol. I'm not an online guy at all, which is why I waited until I could get the first game for $20...but now I see how ridiculously fun it is. I'm actually excited to play as Inkling in Smash now. So even if Geno doesn't manage to get in, at least I have that.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I made Geno art:

Spoiler: Geno

 

[alemerltoucanet]

I made Geno art:

Spoiler: Geno

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It looks really nice! I've been wanting to make my own Geno art as well, I just don't know when.

 

[ChronoKatie]

I feel like this is the perfect place to share this. I made this about 8 years ago. ^_^

https://www.deviantart.com/cocobrien/art/Geno-Sculpture-323621470

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Oh no, leak of the latest trailer

Spoiler

lol, j/k

 

[FalconFire93]

I feel like this is the perfect place to share this. I made this about 8 years ago. ^_^

https://www.deviantart.com/cocobrien/art/Geno-Sculpture-323621470

That looks really awesome I don’t have the time or patience to sculpt anything though lol

 

[PokiehlthePoet]

Oy, from the Isaac thread here to share a thought in support of Geno being added!

(This quote is from an interview with Sakurai from since Isabelle was announced.)
"We actually received a request from the Animal Crossing team to lengthen Villager’s neck a bit. Honestly, I didn’t want to do this since each game has a design that fits best, but fielding these types of requests and making them work is what Ultimate is all about." -Sakurai

consider that ^ in combination with this bit of old news

Sakurai: Yes. He's incredibly popular. Even though he's an old character, we keep getting loads of votes and requests for us to put him in the game. Even though he still isn't in as a playable fighter, I made sure he'd be in as a Mii costume so his fans would at least feel that they got something.

This is admittedly speculative but hopefully Geno is one of the requests he plans on fielding! xD Luck to ya'll.

 

[DOTBHDD]

Oh no, leak of the latest trailer

Spoiler

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lol, j/k

Lmao. Hell no.

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

Luigi's description n the blog got me thinking

Yoshi's hasn't been shown off yet probably because his final smash is gonna be a new one, do you think they're hiding yoshi's FS for when Geno is revealed or something?

doubt it but just a thought since im really curious on what Yoshi's new final smash will be.

 

[FalconFire93]

papagenos After watching your latest video, I’m pretty much in the same boat that you’re in, as I’m not really discouraged by the fact that the “Sassy Geno” leak got debunked either, because of the bias I have for Geno, I still have hope for him.

https://youtu.be/82_pmkLv25s

 

[ChronoKatie]

That looks really awesome I don’t have the time or patience to sculpt anything though lol

Thank you so much ^_^

 

[FalconFire93]

Thank you so much ^_^

Welcome.

I made Geno art:

Spoiler: Geno

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Also TheCJBrine you’ve done a pretty good job on this artwork of Geno as well.

 

[Mr Gentleman]

Luigi's description n the blog got me thinking

Yoshi's hasn't been shown off yet probably because his final smash is gonna be a new one, do you think they're hiding yoshi's FS for when Geno is revealed or something?

doubt it but just a thought since im really curious on what Yoshi's new final smash will be.

oh that's awesome! they are incorperating the poltergust into luigi's moveset! yet another thing people have been asking for! I kinda like what they have been doing. it's like this nice mix of meeting fan requests. but also having a compromise with it so that people who liked the characters current moveset won't feel like they lost their favorite character. interesting enough it's being made as a part of Luigi's grab. interested to see how that works. is he gonna have a sort of tether grab now or something? or maybe it's a grab you can hold and it has a windbox pulling you in?

these are the things I remember when people try to argue that Sora or some other square character will get in because "the companies want someone they can make more money off of" dude this game isn't about the money. Sakurai wants to make his fans happy with this game. that is the primary focus of this game. if Sakurai thinks Geno is what will make his fans happy. he's gonna to whatever he can to make it happen (also side note people underestimate the power this dude wields and the influence he can have on others)

furthermore while I don't know the exact details about how money works when you license a third party character. but if they do get money from letting sakurai use characters. wouldn't it not really matter who the character is? they still get something if a character is licensed. and if Sakurai wants to say "I want Geno, and I'm not taking no for an answer. and I don't want anyone else in his place" then wouldn't they just comply? I mean if they had the choice between simply giving permission of a character that they don't care about and getting easy money. or not getting that money when the effort for them to do so is extremely minimal and costs them little? why would they in their right minds say no?

 

[smash puffle]

Luigi's description n the blog got me thinking

Yoshi's hasn't been shown off yet probably because his final smash is gonna be a new one, do you think they're hiding yoshi's FS for when Geno is revealed or something?

doubt it but just a thought since im really curious on what Yoshi's new final smash will be.

Maybe they're hiding him because there's a Boshi skin

 

[Darkfur]

Luigi's description n the blog got me thinking

Yoshi's hasn't been shown off yet probably because his final smash is gonna be a new one, do you think they're hiding yoshi's FS for when Geno is revealed or something?

doubt it but just a thought since im really curious on what Yoshi's new final smash will be.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if they are doing this for Peach. What if her new FS is Psych Bomb? =P

 

[Mr Gentleman]

Maybe they're hiding him because there's a Boshi skin

I don't really see them hiding Yoshi to avoid SMRPG info. plus the blog posts show the same videos that are already on the site. only new info we get is the text description. which I don't think they would just mention a skin option in text instead of showing it. also don't know what kind of final smash Yoshi would have that would come from SMRPG. think for him they would pull from a Yoshi game.

Now peach I could maybe see having a SMRPG final smash or other kind of reference.

 

[SmashKeks]

So, here's something I've been thinking about the last couple of days. If Geno makes it to Smash, do you thing there's a chance it'll mark his grand return to more Nintendo properties, possibly making him a mainstay Mario to join newer characters like Rosalina, Pauline, etc.? From the sounds of it, Nintendo was holding out on using K. Rool before Smash, so that Smash could be the Kings grand return of sorts. If Geno makes it to Ultimate, do you think that will open the floodgates to main series Mario appearances, or as a must have in spin offs like Mario Kart, Mario Party, Tennis, Golf, Soccer, Lacrosse, Chess, Twister, etc.?

*EDIT* The Olympics?!?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

So, here's something I've been thinking about the last couple of days. If Geno makes it to Smash, do you thing there's a chance it'll mark his grand return to more Nintendo properties, possibly making him a mainstay Mario to join newer characters like Rosalina, Pauline, etc.? From the sounds of it, Nintendo was holding out on using K. Rool before Smash, so that Smash could be the Kings grand return of sorts. If Geno makes it to Ultimate, do you think that will open the floodgates to main series Mario appearances, or as a must have in spin offs like Mario Kart, Mario Party, Tennis, Golf, Soccer, Lacrosse, Chess, Twister, etc.?

*EDIT* The Olympics?!?

That's what I'd like to happen. I mean, there will probably never be a Geno game. But just seeing him existing in the Mario universe would be great. He'd be another unique character that could be added to Mario Kart or Mario Party, etc. instead of just adding a goomba.

And the ultimate goal of appearing in a main title. Even if just an NPC cameo.

 

[Rummy]

SmashKeks I find that unlikely to be frank, if Geno indeed enters the battle, Despite the Kingmaker status the series is known for. I feel like the legal Limbo Geno is stuck in will lead to his appearances only being in Smash at best. But i do hope if he does show up that Square Enix tries to go back on the idea and perhaps in a future Final Fantasy game (that's more medieval fantasy than the kinds the later titles are) that Geno would be re-introduced into the FF series. But that's just my perspective.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Imagine if Mallow appears in Mario tennis. He could do a reaching shot where he separates the top half of his body from the lower half to reach higher

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Imagine if Mallow appears in Mario tennis. He could do a reaching shot where he separates the top half of his body from the lower half to reach higher

Mallow would be S-tier in Mario Tennis. He would probably even be better than Bowser Jr..

 

[Mr Gentleman]

although K. Rool with his newfound fame he'll have with smash I could see making appearances in future games! Geno I only see it happening with if Sakurai just for the heck of it decides to buy the rights to him for nintendo. I don't imagine him being that expensive.

 

[Ze Diglett]

these are the things I remember when people try to argue that Sora or some other square character will get in because "the companies want someone they can make more money off of" dude this game isn't about the money. Sakurai wants to make his fans happy with this game. that is the primary focus of this game. if Sakurai thinks Geno is what will make his fans happy. he's gonna to whatever he can to make it happen (also side note people underestimate the power this dude wields and the influence he can have on others)

furthermore while I don't know the exact details about how money works when you license a third party character. but if they do get money from letting sakurai use characters. wouldn't it not really matter who the character is? they still get something if a character is licensed. and if Sakurai wants to say "I want Geno, and I'm not taking no for an answer. and I don't want anyone else in his place" then wouldn't they just comply? I mean if they had the choice between simply giving permission of a character that they don't care about and getting easy money. or not getting that money when the effort for them to do so is extremely minimal and costs them little? why would they in their right minds say no?

Exactly. What people so often forget when it comes to third-party negotiations with Smash is that it's actually Sakurai who's in a power position, not the third parties. Sure, the third parties ultimately have the power to say "no" to any of their properties being in, but why would they? Any way you slice it, Smash is, well, Smash, and even if the company doesn't get exactly the character they want to see first, they still gain insane exposure and (presumably) royalties from having any of their characters in Smash at all. Thus, if Sakurai goes in with the mindset of "Geno or bust", which I think is pretty likely to be the case, then Square Enix isn't just gonna say "Oh, so you don't want Sora/rando DQ rep/some other character who we think we could milk more profit from? Well, I guess we're done here." No, they're gonna take what they can get, because at the end of the day, money is money, and exposure is exposure.
And all that's assuming Squenix was even disagreeable about Geno's inclusion to begin with, which is a pretty big if, all things considered.

 

[SmashKeks]

although K. Rool with his newfound fame he'll have with smash I could see making appearances in future games! Geno I only see it happening with if Sakurai just for the heck of it decides to buy the rights to him for nintendo. I don't imagine him being that expensive.

I mention K. Rool because, though it is just word of mouth, BKupa666 make a post on the K. Rool boards outlining claims from a credible authority that K. Rool was on Nintendo's minds before Smash, to the ends that for ther Switch release of Tropical Freeze, Retro Studios might have been considering adding K. Rool as a secret final boss fight, only for Sakurai to shoot down the idea because he wanted to be the one to revive K. Rool in Smash before anyone else gave him a reappearance. Following this logic, if Geno is in the game, it stands to reason that means his popularity is recognized, and thus if K.Rool's prospects of seeing more exposure now (hopefully in a DK main series game, but he's graced spinoffs before too.) are high, Geno could potentially be in the same boat. If fans want Geno, you'd think it'd be dumb not to have more Geno, in more than just Smash. But that's just my thoughts.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I mention K. Rool because, though it is just word of mouth, BKupa666 make a post on the K. Rool boards outlining claims from a credible authority that K. Rool was on Nintendo's minds before Smash, to the ends that for ther Switch release of Tropical Freeze, Retro Studios might have been considering adding K. Rool as a secret final boss fight, only for Sakurai to shoot down the idea because he wanted to be the one to revive K. Rool in Smash before anyone else gave him a reappearance. Following this logic, if Geno is in the game, it stands to reason that means his popularity is recognized, and thus if K.Rool's prospects of seeing more exposure now (hopefully in a DK main series game, but he's graced spinoffs before too.) are high, Geno could potentially be in the same boat. If fans want Geno, you'd think it'd be dumb not to have more Geno, in more than just Smash. But that's just my thoughts.

I remember hearing on the Japanese site that data from the Smash Ballot would be used in future games.

 

[Mr Gentleman]

I mention K. Rool because, though it is just word of mouth, BKupa666 make a post on the K. Rool boards outlining claims from a credible authority that K. Rool was on Nintendo's minds before Smash, to the ends that for ther Switch release of Tropical Freeze, Retro Studios might have been considering adding K. Rool as a secret final boss fight, only for Sakurai to shoot down the idea because he wanted to be the one to revive K. Rool in Smash before anyone else gave him a reappearance. Following this logic, if Geno is in the game, it stands to reason that means his popularity is recognized, and thus if K.Rool's prospects of seeing more exposure now (hopefully in a DK main series game, but he's graced spinoffs before too.) are high, Geno could potentially be in the same boat. If fans want Geno, you'd think it'd be dumb not to have more Geno, in more than just Smash. But that's just my thoughts.

well the reason I'm more sure about K. rool getting into spin off games is because he is owned by nintendo still. just hadn't been used recently is all. if they were to try to put Geno into the spin off games they would have to go through the trouble of gettiing a licensing agreement every time. and considering the spin off games have been so uninspired when it comes to characters they add... I'm not so sure. I'd love to be wrong though! bring on a mario kart where the cast is made up of old fan favorites from the RPG games!

 

[SmashKeks]

well the reason I'm more sure about K. rool getting into spin off games is because he is owned by nintendo still. just hadn't been used recently is all. if they were to try to put Geno into the spin off games they would have to go through the trouble of gettiing a licensing agreement every time. and considering the spin off games have been so uninspired when it comes to characters they add... I'm not so sure. I'd love to be wrong though! bring on a mario kart where the cast is made up of old fan favorites from the RPG games!

It could depend. As stated above, it's not like Square is using the character (Geno) much these days, and it seems unlikely that they'd ask ridiculous conditions to let Nintendo use him or hold him ransom. Doesn't seem like Geno is a high priority character for them. Maybe I'm just naïve or don't know much about the inner working of businesses, but if I were SE in a hypothetical scenario where Nintendo wanted Geno more, I don't see why this couldn't happen.

"Hey, could we add Geno into our virtual boardgames and kart racers?"
"Sure."

Not to mention Ninty and SE have been on pretty good terms lately. 17 years in the making and we Nintendo fans finally get to experience FF7 on our Nintendo consoles.

Again, I fully acknowledge tha I don't own a huge AAA gaming corporation, so I may be completely ignorant to additional factors that would make such a proposal unviable, but as an aspiring game dev and business man myself, I would think if someone asked nicely to the people in control of company decisions, if two parties wanted something done (or even if the party with the bargaining chip was indifferent to the proposal) things could get done with out much hassle.

 

[ForsakenM]

Wait...wait a minute?

'Feathers ruffled?'

Does Square Enix have a bird-esq character or a character with feathers being a core feature?

Also, about the faith thing, gotta say I can't feel you there. I was super confident for a bit there but I soon realized it wasn't confidence but just temporary hype and hope but being brought back down to Earth a bit and knowing who Sakurai is and what he's done and Geno's history with Smash thus far AND the fact that, just like leaks, it's fake or false until confirmed true by Nintendo.

 

[SmashKeks]

Wait...wait a minute?

'Feathers ruffled?'

Does Square Enix have a bird-esq character or a character with feathers being a core feature?

A lone Chocobo is confirmed for Smash. Sorry Crono, you were so close.

 

[FalconFire93]

I had another dream about Geno.

It was his trailer and it was in the style of SMRPG, the rest of the party members were KO’d being and as he was about to deal damage to the boss, another selectable option came up on screen for him and it said “Join Smash?” to which Geno selected. It then turned to modern style graphics, the camera panned up to Geno’s face, he turned and faced the screen with his gun arm. *Geno’s splash screen* I forgot what the splash screen said because it was blurry and it cut to Geno finishing the boss and then showing off his gameplay.

This makes two dreams that I’ve had about him.

 

[CrunchyCHEEZIT]

This makes two dreams that I’ve had about him.

Alright, boys.

Let me tell you about the Dream Theory.

 

[JoyStar]

I had another dream about Geno.

It was his trailer and it was in the style of SMRPG, the rest of the party members were KO’d being and as he was about to deal damage to the boss, another selectable option came up on screen for him and it said “Join Smash?” to which Geno selected. It then turned to modern style graphics, the camera panned up to Geno’s face, he turned and faced the screen with his gun arm. *Geno’s splash screen* I forgot what the splash screen said because it was blurry and it cut to Geno finishing the boss and then showing off his gameplay.

This makes two dreams that I’ve had about him.

I'm not the only one who dreams about my most wanted, yay!