Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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I really wish we had some sort of news now, this drought is driving me insane. Give us terry’s release and the reveal of the final fp character so we can either start cheering or start pushing for him in the next round of dlc.
I'm confused as to how anything since Hero's release remotely qualifies as a drought... we just got so much content dropped in the game with 5.0, Terry announced, and more fighters announced. I get being antsy about Geno, but we're in one of the best positions regarding information for Smash we've ever really been in TBH.

Now radio silence about Smash for Wii U/3DS between June 2013 and December 2013, that was a drought haha (and Brawl had even worse periods...)

Metroid Prime: Am I a joke to you?

My problem with the argument that "this genre isn't represented in Smash" as a justification for adding a character is that there are genres that just don't translate well to the Smash formula. Not saying he's an impossibility due to that, but him being added to Smash wouldn't represent first person shooters any more than Snake somehow represents stealth games.
You don't know genres don't translate well to Smash. Hell, Sakurai has proved people wrong time after time in regard to what "does and does not translate well" to Smash. There isn't some objective way to gauge that. Not to mention, people just like playing as their favorite characters from their favorite video games, and don't really care how well they "translate" to Smash. We've got ROB, Mr. Game & Watch, Villager, Ridley, Pac-Man, Bayonetta, and so on. All of which had people railing against them or not being clear ideas that would work in Smash, yet here they are.

Sakurai doesn't seem to lack any imagination, so he can definitely translate any genre he wants to into Smash. People have proposed plenty of cool movesets for characters across all matter of support threads after all, you can do it just fine.
 

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I get being antsy about Geno, but we're in one of the best positions regarding information for Smash we've ever really been in TBH.
Yeah, the content we've been getting is not only phenomenal, but also coming at a breakneck rate. I've no complaints. I think we can all agree that we're antsy about Geno's fate, though, haha. We've been well over a year in the dark about his chances for Ultimate with things taking hope away, giving hope, taking it away again, etc. Especially with how 'now or never' this feels, too, it's been an especially torturous time to be a Geno fan.

Drought, though? Not even in the slightest.
 

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Ok, who do you Geno fans think is the most likely DLC char?
for me, it's Ryu Hayubusa. Only character that I think is guaranteed for Ultimate.
I refuse to think any character is a lock. After what happened to Shadow, nope. Never calling locks again.

That being said, Ryu Hayabusa is the most likely in my mind, as well.
 
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Ok, who do you Geno fans think is the most likely DLC char?
for me, it's Ryu Hayubusa. Only character that I think is guaranteed for Ultimate.
I don't think any character is a lock, mainly because of Bandana Dee. All the arrows pointed towards him and then...nothing. I feel our most likely candidates are Crash Bandicoot, Doom Slayer, Geno, Rayman, and maybe a handful of others but based off the previous 5 DLC fighters, who the Chunk knows at this point?
 

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I think his PM move set is by far his best interpretation yet, I'm really not a fan of BrawlFan's move set... It feels like he's wasting so much potential by just having every attack be a projectile. Once he's actually in I really hope Sakurai does some moves where Geno rag dolls (like PM down tilt) I think that idea is super sick
I agree with that, I would change out his forward air for him ripping out one arm and using it as a weapon, and making his forward smash act more like a shotgun, but what’s not to love about Brawlfan1s presentation overall?

Ok, who do you Geno fans think is the most likely DLC char?
for me, it's Ryu Hayubusa. Only character that I think is guaranteed for Ultimate.
Doomslayers a lock and thank god cause I really want him in.
 

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Ok, who do you Geno fans think is the most likely DLC char?
for me, it's Ryu Hayubusa. Only character that I think is guaranteed for Ultimate.
Ryu is the front runner for me big time, after that I'd say some amalgamation Lloyd, crash, and costumeless-geno. I think sora or steve is on the table but I don't personally have much faith. After the pass is a whole different beast and until we see #1 I'm not willing to bet on anyone as more likely than any other
 

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I refuse to think any character is a lock. After what happened to Shadow, nope. Never calling locks again.

That being said, Ryu Hayabusa is the most likely in my mind, as well.
I generally try to discourage viewing speculation in terms of “locks” for basically that reason. Something can have all the ‘signs’ pointing to it, but that doesn’t always translate into reality. And clinging to a reality that hasn’t been confirmed yet can be... well, y’know what they say about assuming. :p

Speaking of who I think is most likely, if the timeframe for future DLC lines up, I’d say an Astral Chain rep.
 

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I’ll admit I cried a bit. Been waiting for that since I was little : )
I cried like a baby. I never thought they'd see the light of day ever again, so for them to get in Smash was a dream come true. I grew up with B-K ever since DKR's release itself, before their first game even came out. I got B-K as soon as it released, too, same with B-T. As much as I love Geno and have so much passion for him and the Mario RPGs as a whole, B-K were the center of my childhood. Geno would make me scream with excitement, but only the beloved bear and bird could make me cry like that.
 
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I cried like a baby. I never thought they'd see the light of day ever again, so for them to get in Smash was a dream come true. I grew up with B-K ever since DKR's release itself, before their first game even came out. I got B-K as soon as it released, too, same with B-T. As much as I love Geno and have so much passion for him and the Mario RPGs as a whole, B-K were the center of my childhood. Geno would make me scream with excitement, but only the beloved bear and bird could make me cry like that.
Mine would be Rayman. I love Geno to death and really want him in Smash but Rayman was my childhood and I think I'd actually cry if they stuck him in.
 

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I cried like a baby. I never thought they'd see the light of day ever again, so for them to get in Smash was a dream come true. I grew up with B-K ever since DKR's release itself, before their first game even came out. I got B-K as soon as it released, too, same with B-T. As much as I love Geno and have so much passion for him and the Mario RPGs as a whole, B-K were the center of my childhood. Geno would make me scream with excitement, but only the beloved bear and bird could make me cry like that.
Being 100% honest I cried a ton too. Tooie is my earliest memory of playing a game, and the original two have always been some of my favorite games. Fingers crossed we get a new game soon, the influx of merch is a bit suspicious.
 

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man the closest thing I would have to a childhood defining character would probably be Grovile and sadly that's never going to happen because he's a middle evo. Having gone back to read as much of the responses for characters like ridley or banjo was truly a magical experience. I can only hope sakurai is planning to stack the next round with as many bombshells as possible before finally throwing in the towel. I know he's been saying every smash is is last but this one really feels like it might be it for him. Iwata was always the guy to get him on board each time he jumped off and now that he's gone I think he might be looking to move on like with Kirby. He might still be on for 6 as an adviser of sorts but I really think he'll be looking to pass the torch to someone new.

btw Grumbo Grumbo you should share that theory you put on the Isaac board. I thought it was a really cool find but didn't want to steal your work.
 
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Well, my apologies, it was never my intention to enact historical revisionism. I didnt make up the idea of "Impossible Trio" just merely have what is perhaps a foggy recollection. I understand and agree it is a misnomer and "highly unlikely" is far more befitting. I believe the term "impossible" certainly would not fit any character, barring Banjo.

And I shouldnt have used the term "lurk" because i wasnt lurking smash boards since Brawl, more I just meant kept up with general speculation. Again my apologies, I'm pretty tired today.

I've known people who never lost hope for Banjo the entire time. And Geno Ridley and K. Rool were all seen as having roadblocks as I'm sure no one needs reminding.

I never meant to "revise history" or devalue anyone's desire for a long requested character. This was my mistake. I heard the name once upon a time and it stuck with me all these years. Didnt expect anyone to come guns blazing (though I admit I have a hard time reading tone in and out of text lol.

I want Geno more than anything. And once Geno comes I'll push even further for Issac. I dont have a particular attachment to Golden Sun, but I want to see these long time wishes granted.

I merely wasnt aware of the specifics of the board. So I do sincerely thank you for the history lesson and apologize if I came off in anyway which bothered anyone. This is me peacing out.
Don't worry about it, it's not a claim you're alone in making - it's just not one with much actual grounding. It's strange, as if the record books were all created last year, even though there are people from before then that can testify to it being not as presented. And I know they'll change again by Smash 6.

My examples may have specified Smashboards to illustrate the point, but the general trends remain pretty much the same. It's not like characters such as Mega Man and Wario and Inkling weren't also popular elsewhere, or Banjo experienced a great deal of discussion on some other site during his dark age.

The truth of the matter is those five characters are just some of several who have had some bout of extended popularity at some time. The main thing which ties together those five specifically is the attention they've received in the past year/year and a half.
 

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man the closest thing I would have to a childhood defining character would probably be Grovile and sadly that's never going to happen because he's a middle evo. Having gone back to read as much of the responses for characters like ridley or banjo was truly a magical experience. I can only hope sakurai is planning to stack the next round with as many bombshells as possible before finally throwing in the towel. I know he's been saying every smash is is last but this one really feels like it might be it for him. Iwata was always the guy to get him on board each time he jumped off and now that he's gone I think he might be looking to move on like with Kirby. He might still be on for 6 as an adviser of sorts but I really think he'll be looking to pass the torch to someone new.

btw Grumbo Grumbo you should share that theory you put on the Isaac board. I thought it was a really cool find but didn't want to steal your work.
Thanks. There were a lot of holes in the theory as pointed out by other users, so once I get it ironed out and address which issues i can I’ll post it here.

Edit: Also if there’s a bomberman board I’m gonna consult with them and see if there’s a reference I’m missing.
 
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PsychoIncarnate PsychoIncarnate You heard the man, get 'im on there!

(Also, 'EYYY, FELLOW B-K FAN! I bet you were screaming right along with the rest of us when they got in!)
Come to say... I don't think I'm on the supporters list. I lurked on a great deal of Ultimate's speculation cycle. If you've got the OP open go ahead and add me. I did gift you your purple sweg this month, afterall. :psycho:

I gotta say, since I've returned to the mania of Smash speculation forums, I've found this to be my favorite thread. Better even than the Newcomer Speculation Thread for conversation.
 

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Ok, who do you Geno fans think is the most likely DLC char?
for me, it's Ryu Hayubusa. Only character that I think is guaranteed for Ultimate.
For me it's Leon S. Kennedy I don't have any reason for thinking it I know Capcom's relationship with Nintendo is good so I could see it. But I'll probably end up being wrong Honestly guess we'll find out soon enough.
 

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I almost never believe in characters being "locks" or guaranteed for Smash. The only character I really did feel that way with was Inkling for Switch's installment of Smash, and they got revealed before we even knew we were getting a new Smash game on Switch lol.

I don't recall thinking a character was ever a guarantee outside of that.
 

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Oh geez, I almost forgot to mention.

I went out earlier tonight to get a coffee and scratch tickets, and I just so happened to notice a white car with a front license plant that said "GENO" on it.

This was clearly some sort of sign from some higher power that Geno is 100%, without a doubt, going to be playable in Smash Bros Ultimate.

get hyped Genobros!
 

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If Sackboy somehow got in smash then I would just.. probably do all the things you guys said times 2.. along with some “I called it!” And “AHHHHHHHHHH” here and there.
(Side note, cant believe people still complain when this is the game where:
Banjo got in
K Rool got in
Ridley got in
Stage builder is better than ever
A story mode
We can turn off stage hazards
EVERYONE IS HERE
And we got 100 stages, and hundreds of music tracks!
And I could list even more! God this game doesn’t feel real)
 

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If Sackboy somehow got in smash then I would just.. probably do all the things you guys said times 2.. along with some “I called it!” And “AHHHHHHHHHH” here and there.
(Side note, cant believe people still complain when this is the game where:
Banjo got in
K Rool got in
Ridley got in
Stage builder is better than ever
A story mode
We can turn off stage hazards
EVERYONE IS HERE
And we got 100 stages, and hundreds of music tracks!
And I could list even more! God this game doesn’t feel real)
Hm.. not enough Geno.
 
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Ok, who do you Geno fans think is the most likely DLC char?
for me, it's Ryu Hayubusa. Only character that I think is guaranteed for Ultimate.
A famous FPS rep in green armor.

Or, in other words, “Doomguy is quite likely, but I legitimately still think Master Chief has a chance, even after Banjo.”

Bethesda has been a bit too upfront about “We’ve talked about Smash and have special Nintendo stuff planned for later in the year”, in my opinion. The more they say something’s coming, the more that I start to doubt that a character actually is, especially with Nintendo’s strict Smash secrecy.

On the other hand, we had a bunch of sources earlier in the year say that we were getting Ori 1 and Halo: MCC on Switch, and as of a month or two ago one of those has happened... yet there’s been no word of the MCC. I could totally see them having that be a massive Game Awards announcement of some sort, and if it ends up tying into Smash, all the better.
 
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Papagenos made a new video and there is a part about Geno.

The dude says his friend got things right in the past, blah blah blah same old nonsense.
He says Ryu Hayabusa is the final fighters pass character and Geno will be in wave 2.

Here's the link to Papagenos' video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvsfSR8T6MI

Here's the picture below.
Geno leak apparently.png
 

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Papagenos made a new video and there is a part about Geno.

The dude says his friend got things right in the past, blah blah blah same old nonsense.
He says Ryu Hayabusa is the final fighters pass character and Geno will be in wave 2.

Here's the link to Papagenos' video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvsfSR8T6MI

Here's the picture below.
"Pyra"nha Plant makes me think Xenoblade's Pyra's head photoshopped onto a Piranha Plant
 

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You'd be surprised how many people complain about Wonder Wing at the semi-pro level. It's specifically difficult to punish for characters with short grab range.
But let's be real, should a frame 18 invincible kill move only be able to be soft punished with a grab? That's my beef with it.

I can't see Geno bringing forth any gimmicks that would upset the Meta. This game's balance team is ****ing phenomenal. I would say 85% of the cast is viable at the semi-competetive level and Geno will most likely touch down in A or B tier as every other DLC character has.
Honestly since I don't think there's a person in the world who doesn't believe he's bringing timed hits in some form to Smash, I could honestly see his gimmick doing nothing but turning people away from him. The way things are going he'll be a complicated new character in a metagame approximately one and a half years old and be entirely slept on. A big name would have to pick him up and do extremely well (or a nobody will have to do even better) to make anyone care. That's fine by me, I love playing "mid tiers".

My only hope is that he isn't a zoner. I can't really pick up a character and dedicate the time to getting good with them without a passion for them, and every character I love happens to be a zoner. I have no secondary to cover my bad matchups because they all fundamentally do the same thing and my playstyle doesn't vary too much with them. I want Geno to go in like the US Marshals or die trying, and if that kind of aggressive, high impact play doesn't secure the victory, then I'll have my zoning to fall back on.
 

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On that leak it is worth noting that a small amount of insiders knew about Plant but then again, it’s possible he was piggybacking. Don’t exactly know who it might be because I don’t think Ryce and Vergeben said anything but they claimed that they knew. There was a 4Chan leak everybody overshadowed.

There was Noatesty, a play tester who made a reddit post back in maybe early October mentioning the Plant while the insider was told in October 31st.

But I don’t think someone would know wave 2 fighters that early so probably fake.
 
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Papagenos made a new video and there is a part about Geno.

The dude says his friend got things right in the past, blah blah blah same old nonsense.
He says Ryu Hayabusa is the final fighters pass character and Geno will be in wave 2.

Here's the link to Papagenos' video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvsfSR8T6MI

Here's the picture below.
Honestly makes me wonder what 'proof' he has. Knowing two characters at least makes more sense, given Joker, Hero, and Banjo were worked on at the same time. It'd make the next batch being Terry, Ryu, and Geno hold some water. That said, this reeks of piggy-backing. The only one that's been batted around by insiders is Ryu Hayabusa, so he's been in the eyes of the people, and Geno's been widely talked about in current Smash climate. Calling obvious fake until further notice.
 
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Honestly makes me wonder what 'proof' he has. Knowing two characters at least makes more sense, given Joker, Hero, and Banjo were worked on at the same time. It'd make the next batch being Terry, Ryu, and Geno make some sense. That said, this reeks of piggy-backing. The only one that's been batted around by insiders is Ryu Hayabusa, so he's been in the eyes of the people, and Geno's been widely talked about in current Smash climate. Calling obvious fake until further notice.
Ditto. Sounds like the leaker is just making up what his friend did.
 
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