Official General Post-DLC Discussion [Closed]

[Enderwoman]

Crash is like the only 3rd party character that could be considered as iconic as Cloud and Ryu. Being right up there with Mario and Sonic in the late-90's as well occasionally outselling Mario is a huge feat. Even if the Crash series has been dead for a long time, his status as an icon can warrant him in the game. I'm just surprised that I never thought of him as a serious contender. People talk about Banjo and Rayman all the time but Crash is probably a bigger icon than the both of them combined.

I can think of like 10 characters off the top of my head more iconic and relevant than Crash nowadays.

 

[Mobes]

Crash is like the only 3rd party character that could be considered as iconic as Cloud and Ryu. Being right up there with Mario and Sonic in the late-90's as well occasionally outselling Mario is a huge feat. Even if the Crash series has been dead for a long time, his status as an icon can warrant him in the game. I'm just surprised that I never thought of him as a serious contender. People talk about Banjo and Rayman all the time but Crash is probably a bigger icon than the both of them combined.

I don't know if he's bigger then Banjo and Rayman combined (I'd actually put them at the same level of iconography), but he certainly is known. If nothing else, he's the face of 90's Playstation. Unless you count, like, a Tekken fighting person or John Madden.. or Snake.

 

[Dinoman96]

I think it'd be very amusing and also very sad if Smash could get both Cloud AND Crash while PSABR couldn't lol.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I think it'd be very amusing and also very sad if Smash could get both Cloud AND Crash while PSABR couldn't lol.

Smash also got Ryu and Brawl had Snake.

I think PSABR played it too safe...and ****ed it up by adding DmC Dante.

 

[Ura]

I can think of like 10 characters off the top of my head more iconic and relevant than Crash nowadays.

Do it then. I'm sure a lot of these characters series you have in mind have sold nearly 50 million copies like Crash did.

I don't know if he's bigger then Banjo and Rayman combined (I'd actually put them at the same level of iconography), but he certainly is known. If nothing else, he's the face of 90's Playstation. Unless you count, like, a Tekken fighting person or John Madden.. or Snake.

Crash outsold Rayman's series. Crash sold close to 50Mil while Rayman sold 25Mil. Banjo sold 8Mil but he also has the Nintendo background and fan support to make up for low sales.

I think it'd be very amusing and also very sad if Smash could get both Cloud AND Crash while PSABR couldn't lol.

"Here lies Sony's hopes and dreams"

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Crash isn't brought up because he hasn't featured in anything majorly new in years and Sakurai stated that recent prominence is a pretty big factor so that is why Crash isn't brought up as often.

 

[Dinoman96]

Smash also got Ryu and Brawl had Snake.

I think PSABR played it too safe...and ****ed it up by adding DmC Dante.

To be fair, Superbot was a very low key developer and thus, not many third party companies really trusted them with their more valued IPs and characters and therefore just saw PSABR as a quick and easy to way to promote their new games. For example, Superbot actually did want to include the original Dante, but Capcom made them use the DmC incarnation.

 

[Ura]

Crash isn't brought up because he hasn't featured in anything majorly new in years and Sakurai stated that recent prominence is a pretty big factor so that is why Crash isn't brought up as often.

IDK about that. Cloud pretty much wasn't appearing in that many games other than Dissidia and those other FF spinoffs. Pretty sure development and legal stuff happened before FF7R was a thing so Cloud really wasn't all that prominent.

Even more so for someone like Banjo who's glory days were limited to 2 N64 games and his other games are forgettable or just bad.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

To be fair, Superbot was a very low key developer and thus, not many third party companies really trusted them with their more valued IPs and characters and therefore just saw PSABR as a quick and easy to way to promote their new games. For example, Superbot actually did want to include the original Dante, but Capcom made them use the DmC incarnation.

So essentially, Superbot was screwed out of the chance of getting all of the big name Playstation icons?

 

[Dinoman96]

So essentially, Superbot was screwed out of the chance of getting all of the big name Playstation icons?

Basically, yes.

PSABR needed someone of actual pedigree behind it. We may not agree with all of Sakurai's design choices but he's a big and prominent enough game designer in Japan to the point where companies like Sega, Capcom, Square Enix totally entrust him with their characters. Superbot on the other hand were just a newcomer American studio, fairly small in size. In that sense I kinda see why the third parties didn't take them very seriously.

I heard apparently Naughty Dog was originally going to develop the game. I think PSABR would of been a lot better off if that were the case.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Rash for Smash

MAKE IT HAPPEN, SAKURAI!!!

All other Battle Toads as alternatives like the Koopalings.

Oh hell mother ****ing yeah.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Basically, yes.

PSABR needed someone of actual pedigree behind it. We may not agree with all of Sakurai's design choices but he's a big and prominent enough game designer in Japan to the point where companies like Sega, Capcom, Square Enix totally entrust him with their characters. Superbot on the other hand were just a newcomer American studio, fairly small in size. In that sense I kinda see why the third parties didn't take them very seriously.

I heard apparently Naughty Dog was originally going to develop the game. I think PSABR would of been a lot better off if that were the case.

Sort of a shame really. Had PSABR had the likes of Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Lara Croft, Cloud and Snake I imagine it would of been able to draw a bigger crowd. Naughty Dog probably could have obtained all of the above with their rep.

 

[ErenJager]

So essentially, Superbot was screwed out of the chance of getting all of the big name Playstation icons?

They shoulda focused purely on game play and the characters they own. Majorily by including Jersey Devil and Captain Blasto. Their only focus for third parties should have been with activison, for crash and spyro.

If the first game gained critical acclaim it would have stood a chance at getting bigger third party icons for the second iteration.

 

[Burruni]

Honestly, PSABR's core gameplay was such an issue when, instead of the smash-styled Percentage~Launch system or HP of standard fighters, it being ENTIRELY based on supers made it an instant turn off.

Then that roster... dear god.

No Crash or Spyro, the FACES of the PS1.
No Lara Croft.
No Snake.
No Cloud.
But we get such important PS icons as Big Daddy, Isaac Clarke, and Fat Princess.
The wrong Dante.
Hero and Evil Cole.
And that dude from Star Hawk or whatever which I legitimately never heard of before that game.

Edit: As a whole, it felt less like celebrating Playstation's icons and history and just pure marketing. The DLC only made that worse.

 

[Dark Phazon]

What do you guys honestly think of K.Rool's chances?

 

[Weeman]

What do you guys honestly think of K.Rool's chances?

Mildly decent. But i wouldn't get my hopes up.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

IDK about that. Cloud pretty much wasn't appearing in that many games other than Dissidia and those other FF spinoffs. Pretty sure development and legal stuff happened before FF7R was a thing so Cloud really wasn't all that prominent.

Even more so for someone like Banjo who's glory days were limited to 2 N64 games and his other games are forgettable or just bad.

He still appeared in the spinoffs and Little Mac, 2009, was considered recent enough

 

[SuperNintendoDisney]

I can think of like 10 characters off the top of my head more iconic and relevant than Crash nowadays.

Crash will always be an icon, and that makes him relevant. Icons don't become any less iconic because too much time has passed. Is Elvis any less iconic because he isn't alive anymore to record new albums? The Crash Bandicoot series is more iconic than most games released today, and more iconic than something such as, Rayman. Just because new Rayman games still come out, doesn't mean he is "increasing" in iconic status. This is just an example. Kids these days have no respect for the classics, it's one big agenda to get whoever they want in smash.

 

[Burruni]

What do you guys honestly think of K.Rool's chances?

Single most likely newcomer.
We'll see tomorrow.

 

[Ura]

He still appeared in the spinoffs and Little Mac, 2009, was considered recent enough

Mac had a big title on the Wii that was really popular. Cloud only appeared in FF spinoffs during that time period.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Mac had a big title on the Wii that was really popular. Cloud only appeared in FF spinoffs during that time period.

Said spinoffs being very popular too. The only Crash thing in recent years was...THAT leak iirc. Though I do say, Crash would be more interesting than Banjo imo. Sonic's Arse game for smash lol

 

[Dark Phazon]

I'm conflicted in that I'd want to spoil myself on the characters if they're underwhelming or outright bad, but if it's something good or off-the-wall insane (the 0.01% chance of a shock Ridley reveal out of nowhere, for example), I'd want it to be a surprise.

Exactly how i feel but thats pretty much not possible...hehehe.

I just want K.Rool tbh...Really bad...
Beast Blue Pig Ganon from the old zelda games ow my.....i would litreally go crazy...
RealTalk.

Imo if Sakurai really wanted to blow people not just out the water but the whole frigging ocean seems like hes does with Ryu and Cloud then just add Ridley...

No one else would come close to how crazy it would be not just on one level but on so many words wouldn't be able to describe and minds wouldnt be able to comprehend.

 

[Burruni]

Mac had a big title on the Wii that was really popular. Cloud only appeared in FF spinoffs during that time period.

Because Final Fantasy never reuses characters outside of the 4 cases of direct sequels across 14 games.
Of which, 7 is the game that has gotten the most. Advent Children, Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus.
Crisis Core being held as one of the most popular games of the PSP library.
And... I mean.... look at the raw amount of hype at E3 for FF7 HD. There is a WIDESPREAD and common amount of raw hype.
Even if we got an official Crash 4 or Banjo Three-ie, you wouldn't see that level of excitement. And this is for a REMAKE.

 

[TheAnvil]

Do it then. I'm sure a lot of these characters series you have in mind have sold nearly 60 million copies like Crash did.

Just off the top of my head:
-Master Chief
-Lara Croft
-Scorpion
-Tails/Eggman/Knuckles
-Spyro (that Skylanders, yo)
-Mickey
-Chun Li/Ken Masters
-Leon Kennedy/Chris Redfield/Jill Valentine

 

[Dark Phazon]

Single most likely newcomer.
We'll see tomorrow.

Really you think so?

I think its inevitable that we will get 1 of either
Shovel Knight
Shantae
Inkling

And i think the other 2 chars are gonna be Wolf and Cloud . . . . .

I dunno what to say.... im really dreading this more than any other smash direct....because its gonna be the last 1 and no more DLC after....only 1 more shot for the king....

 

[SuperNintendoDisney]

Just off the top of my head:
-Master Chief
-Lara Croft
-Scorpion
-Tails/Eggman/Knuckles
-Spyro (that Skylanders, yo)
-Mickey
-Chun Li/Ken Masters
-Leon Kennedy/Chris Redfield/Jill Valentine

Crash has as good a chance as more than half of those characters. Most of them are western characters, like Crash. We already have a Sonic and Street Fighter characters, so I highly doubt they are getting a second. With Resident Evil, that would be a third Capcom fighter, which is stretching it. Not a single person you listed has any better chances than Crash, and in many instances, worse chance than Crash

 

[Dark Phazon]

Crash has as good a chance as more than half of those characters. Most of them are western characters, like Crash. We already have a Sonic and Street Fighter characters, so I highly doubt they are getting a second. With Resident Evil, that would be a third Capcom fighter, which is stretching it. Not a single person you listed has any better chances than Crash, and in many instances, worse chance than Crash

Imo if any other 3rd party was to be added now i dont think anyone is more fitting or deserving than Banjo

 

[SmashBro99]

Am I the only one that doesn't want Shovel Knight, Shantae or Inklings?

I'd much rather have Isaac, Banjo-Kazooie, King K.Rool...and tons more lol.

But seriously, Crash Bandicoot doesn't stand a chance.

I'd love to have some League of Legends characters in Smash, just sayin, that will never happen though. No Draven ;______________;

 

[TheAnvil]

Crash has as good a chance as more than half of those characters. Most of them are western characters, like Crash. We already have a Sonic and Street Fighter characters, so I highly doubt they are getting a second. With Resident Evil, that would be a third Capcom fighter, which is stretching it. Not a single person you listed has any better chances than Crash, and in many instances, worse chance than Crash

I'm not listing characters by how good their Smash chances are, I'm listing characters who are bigger names than Crash.

Also, there's no rule about Companies having "too many reps". I would think by now that Ryu would have quenched that.

Am I the only one that doesn't want Shovel Knight, Shantae or Inklings?

I'd much rather have Isaac, Banjo-Kazooie, King K.Rool...and tons more lol.

But seriously, Crash Bandicoot doesn't stand a chance.

I'd love to have some League of Legends characters in Smash, just sayin.

I don't want Shovel Knight, or Shantae. Inklings I wouldn't mind but I'm not hungry for them.

Banjo, Dixie, K. Rool, Rayman or Spyro would be unbelievably hype inducing for me. They're characters who would be enough for me not to even care who else was revealeed.

 

[splat]

Imo if any other 3rd party was to be added now i dont think anyone is more fitting or deserving than Banjo

Bomberman is both more fitting and deserving, in my opinion.

 

[J.WolFF]

I just want cut scenes like subspace, but sakarai has all ready de confirmed it saying "it takes away from those that play it". ;'(

 

[TheAnvil]

Bomberman is both more fitting and deserving, in my opinion.

Banjo is actually a part of the same canon world as Mario and DK, was once co-owned by Nintendo,sSaw huge levels of success on Nintendo systems and has been requested for Smash since the original game.

I don't think there's a more fitting 3rd Party character than that.

 

[SuperNintendoDisney]

I'm not listing characters by how good their Smash chances are, I'm listing characters who are bigger names than Crash.

Also, there's no rule about Companies having "too many reps". I would think by now that Ryu would have quenched that.

It's not a rule, it's just unlikely. People get carried away with themselves and "the possibilities". Also, Crash is bigger than Spyro and Rayman. No one cares about Spyro in Skylanders. It's not known for him

 

[J.WolFF]

shovel knight is high on my list

 

[TheAnvil]

It's not a rule, it's just unlikely. People get carried away with themselves and "the possibilities". Also, Crash is bigger than Spyro and Rayman. No one cares about Spyro in Skylanders. It's not known for him

Crash hasn't been relevant in, what, a decade now? Skylanders is huge, and is a Spyro spinoff.

 

[Ura]

Just off the top of my head:
-Master Chief
-Lara Croft
-Scorpion
-Tails/Eggman/Knuckles
-Spyro (that Skylanders, yo)
-Mickey
-Chun Li/Ken Masters
-Leon Kennedy/Chris Redfield/Jill Valentine

- Spyro hasn't sold nearly as much as Crash.

- A lot of the characters you mentioned are extra reps from a 3rd Party series we already have (Sonic and Street Fighter) so that doesn't really count.

- Mickey's never getting in.

- Scorpion is more iconic that Crash though MK hasn't sold as much as Crash. Same deal with Tomb Raider.

- Master Chief you can argue for as he outsold Crash but y'know he's MS and all. He can still happen but he's pretty unlikely.

- Reisdent Evil also outsold Crash however. Don't know much about that series. I guess they could make it in as well.

So there you go. Not many series can compete with Crash.

Am I the only one that doesn't want Shovel Knight, Shantae or Inklings?

Join the club man. I might be in the minority when it comes to the Inklings but IDRC. Really don't want those brats in this installment of Smash.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Something to think about:

>"K.Rool will totally be revealed at E3 when the game is revealed"--Nope
>"K.Rool will be revealed in the next Direct!"--Nope
>"K.Rool will be revealed in the April Direct. It's happening!"--Nope
>"K.Rool will be revealed in the 50 Fact extravaganza as DLC!" --Nope
>"K.Rool will be revealed at E3 as DLC!"-Nope

This happens every time there's potentially going to be a character reveal. There is no "likely character". Anymore.

I could have said the same thing about Snake and had the same results every single time. There is quite literally no way to say if a character is likely or not, especially when the likelihood of a character like K.Rool getting in was always " high".

I'd like to see K.Rool tomorrow myself. But let's just wait and see.

 

[TheAnvil]

- Spyro hasn't sold nearly as much as Crash.

- A lot of the characters you mentioned are extra reps from a 3rd Party series we already have (Sonic and Street Fighter) so that doesn't really count.

- Mickey's never getting in.

- Scorpion is more iconic that Crash though MK hasn't sold as much as Crash. Same deal with Tomb Raider.

- Master Chief you can argue for as he outsold Crash but y'know he's MS and all. He can still happen but he's pretty unlikely.

- Reisdent Evil also outsold Crash however. Don't know much about that series. I guess they could make it in as well.

So there you go. Not many series can compete with Crash.

Skylanders, a Spyro spinoff is a top 20 selling franchise of all time*. Probably higher by now

*http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/02/...20-game-franchises-ever-175-million-toys-sold

 

[splat]

Banjo is actually a part of the same canon world as Mario and DK, was once co-owned by Nintendo,sSaw huge levels of success on Nintendo systems and has been requested for Smash since the original game.

I don't think there's a more fitting 3rd Party character than that.

You mean he's part of that universe through Diddy Kong Racing?
So is Bomberman

Banjo & Kazooie were Nintendo 64 only. It's the console I've missed, so I've missed all of their games. Bomberman, however, has been on NES, SNES, Nintendo 64, Gamecube, Game Boy, Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance, Nintendo DS and Wii.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

- Spyro hasn't sold nearly as much as Crash.

- A lot of the characters you mentioned are extra reps from a 3rd Party series we already have (Sonic and Street Fighter) so that doesn't really count.

- Mickey's never getting in.

- Scorpion is more iconic that Crash though MK hasn't sold as much as Crash. Same deal with Tomb Raider.

- Master Chief you can argue for as he outsold Crash but y'know he's MS and all. He can still happen but he's pretty unlikely.

- Reisdent Evil also outsold Crash however. Don't know much about that series. I guess they could make it in as well.

So there you go. Not many series can compete with Crash.



Join the club man. I might be in the minority when it comes to the Inklings but IDRC. Really don't want those brats in this installment of Smash.

Dude I'm pretty sure Spyro sold as much as Crash or more, especially if Skylanders is included