~Ganon's Murderous KO % Thread! - Flying faaar: Falco!~

[Exalted]

::The Introduction::​

Welcome, my partners in crime, to "Ganon's Murderous KO % Thread!". This thread will compile the KO % for all of Ganondorf's moves on every character. As some of you pointed out, these numbers are very inaccurate in actual Human vs. Human matches. However, you can use this thread to compare the effectiveness of two different moves etc.

::The Process of Testing::​

Spoiler

An example of how I gather the data:

- Jab kills X on 110%
- Jab doesn't kill X 109%
- I test the consistency of these numbers.

Jab at 110%
1st try: Kills
2nd try: Kills
3rd try: Kills

Jab at 109%
1st try: No kill
2nd try: No kill
3rd: No kill

Conclusion: 110% is the KO %
Tested on the center of Final Destination on a Level 9 CPU in Training Mode.
Training Mode has a 5% knockback nerf on all moves, so I have to multiply the KO % with 0.95.

::The Numbers::​

Here we go!

Spoiler

Move: Jab
KOs at 139%

Move: Forward Tilt
KOs at 112%

Move: Down Tilt
KOs at 111%

Move: Up Tilt
KOs at 37%

Move: Dash Attack
KOs at 91%

Move: Weak Dash Attack
KOs at 216%

Move: Warlock Punch
KOs at 22%

Move: Reverse Warlock Punch
KOs at 14%

Move: Strong Wizkick
KOs at 151%

Move: Weak Wizkick
KOs at 171%

Move: Aerial Wizkick
KOs at 79%

Move: Dark Dive
KOs at 237%

Move: Flame Choke/Gerudo -> Jab
KOs at 138%

Move: Flame Choke/Gerudo -> Down Tilt
KOs at 107%

Move: Neutral Air
KOs at 134%

Move: Sweetspotted Forward Air
KOs at 84%

Move: Sourspotted Forward Air
KOs at 129%

Move: Back Air
KOs at 103%

Move:Down Air
KOs at 73%

Move: Up Air
KOs at 120%

Move: Uncharged Forward Smash
KOs at 72%

Move: Fully Charged Forward Smash
KOs at 38%

Move: Uncharged Up Smash
KOs at 69%

Move: Fully Charged Up Smash
KOs at 37%

Move: Multi-hit Uncharged Down Smash
KOs at 108%

Move: Multi-hit Fully Charged Down Smash
KOs at 69%

Move: Second-hit-only Uncharged Down Smash
KOs at 129%

Move: Second-hit-only Fully Charged Down Smash
KOs at 87%

Spoiler

Move: Jab
KOs at 170%

Move: Forward Tilt
KOs at 132%

Move: Down Tilt
KOs at 144%

Move: Up Tilt
KOs at 50%

Move: Dash Attack
KOs at 118%

Move: Weak Dash Attack
KOs at 274%

Move: Warlock Punch
KOs at 33%

Move: Reverse Warlock Punch
KOs at 25%

Move: Strong Wizkick
KOs at 180%

Move: Weak Wizkick
KOs at 214%

Move: Aerial Wizkick
KOs at 105%

Move:Dark Dive
KOs at 277%

Move: Flame Choke/Gerudo -> Jab
KOs at 184%

Move: Flame Choke/Gerudo -> Down Tilt
KOs at 135%

Move: Neutral Air
KOs at 184%

Move: Sweetspotted Forward Air
KOs at 106%

Move: Sourspotted Forward Air
KOs at 147%

Move: Back Air
KOs at 129%

Move:Down Air
KOs at 97%

Move: Up Air
KOs at 139%

Move: Uncharged Forward Smash
KOs at 88%

Move: Fully Charged Forward Smash
KOs at 50%

Move: Uncharged Up Smash
KOs at 99%

Move: Fully Charged Up Smash
KOs at 57%

Move: Multi-hit Uncharged Down Smash
KOs at 135%

Move: Multi-hit Fully Charged Down Smash
KOs at 87%

Move: Second-hit-only Uncharged Down Smash
KOs at 154%

Move: Second-hit-only Fully Charged Down Smash
KOs at 106%

Spoiler

Move: Jab
KOs at 148%

Move: Forward Tilt
KOs at 112%

Move: Down Tilt
KOs at 122%

Move: Up Tilt
KOs at 47%

Move: Dash Attack
KOs at 100%

Move: Weak Dash Attack
KOs at 237%

Move: Warlock Punch
KOs at 30%

Move: Reverse Warlock Punch
KOs at 22%

Move: Strong Wizkick
KOs at 185%

Move: Weak Wizkick
KOs at 222%

Move: Aerial Wizkick
KOs at 87%

Move: Dark Dive
KOs at 275%

Move: Flame Choke/Gerudo -> Jab
KOs at 141%

Move: Flame Choke/Gerudo -> Down Tilt
KOs at 115%

Move: Banana Choke -> Forward Smash
KOs at 62%

Move: Banana Choke -> Dash Attack
KOs at 84%

Move: Banana Choke -> Down Tilt
KOs at 106%

Move: Banana Choke -> Gerudo -> Down Tilt
KOs at 95%

Move: Neutral Air
KOs at 142%

Move: Sweetspotted Forward Air
KOs at 101%

Move: Sourspotted Forward Air
KOs at 155%

Move: Back Air
KOs at 123%

Move:Down Air
KOs at 80%

Move: Up Air
KOs at 129%

Move: Uncharged Forward Smash
KOs at 77%

Move: Fully Charged Forward Smash
KOs at 46%

Move: Uncharged Up Smash
KOs at 77%

Move: Fully Charged Up Smash
KOs at 43%

Move: Multi-hit Uncharged Down Smash
KOs at 119%

Move: Multi-hit Fully Charged Down Smash
KOs at 76%

Move: Second-hit-only Uncharged Down Smash
KOs at 147%

Move: Second-hit-only Fully Charged Down Smash
KOs at 102%

Spoiler

Move: Jab
KOs at 142%

Move: Forward Tilt
KOs at 111%

Move: Down Tilt
KOs at 117%

Move: Up Tilt
KOs at 38%

Move: Dash Attack
KOs at 97%

Move: Weak Dash Attack
KOs at 226%

Move: Warlock Punch
KOs at 23%

Move: Reverse Warlock Punch
KOs at 15%

Move: Strong Wizkick
KOs at 153%

Move: Weak Wizkick
KOs at 183%

Move: Aerial Wizkick
KOs at 84%

Move: Dark Dive
KOs at 226%

Move: Flame Choke/Gerudo -> Jab
Cannot hit Falco

Move: Flame Choke/Gerudo -> Down Tilt
KOs at 109%

Move: Neutral Air
KOs at 152%

Move: Sweetspotted Forward Air
KOs at 86%

Move: Sourspotted Forward Air
KOs at 130%

Move: Back Air
KOs at 106%

Move:Down Air
KOs at 76%

Move: Up Air
KOs at 112%

Move: Uncharged Forward Smash
KOs at 64%

Move: Fully Charged Forward Smash
KOs at 30%

Move: Uncharged Up Smash
KOs at 75%

Move: Fully Charged Up Smash
KOs at 42%

Move: Multi-hit Uncharged Down Smash
KOs at 110%

Move: Multi-hit Fully Charged Down Smash
KOs at 69%

Move: Second-hit-only Uncharged Down Smash
KOs at 131%

Move: Second-hit-only Fully Charged Down Smash
KOs at 87%

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Constructive criticism is appreciated! No flaming!

 

[Exalted]

Reserved for the

 

[lordhelmet]

IIRC moves in training mode have 5% less knockback.

 

[Exalted]

IIRC moves in training mode have 5% less knockback.

That I did not know. Oh well, might as well keep going.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Yup, 5% exactly. There's a 1.05x multiplier on damage and knockback on entirely fresh moves.

 

[Exalted]

Dang. This doesn't seem to be a very good idea after all xD

 

[Reizilla]

Use a Fox in regular mode?

 

[Supreme Dirt]

I believe there's a code lying around that allows staling in Stamina, and thus the bonus you're looking for. Don't know where to find it, and I'd assume you'd need a PAL version of it.

 

[Exalted]

So, to make these percentages more accurate, I have to multiply the KO % with 0.95?

Also, due to recently being swamped with tests and schoolwork, updates will occur every weekend, not every day =.=

Edit: Also, how do you create those "Hidden Message" things?

 

[Dumbfire]

Rooofl Exalted.
KO percents are prettty vague since your counting no DI and MC.. So meh I didnt think this was useful in the first place, no offense =/

 

[Exalted]

Rooofl Exalted.
KO percents are prettty vague since your counting no DI and MC.. So meh I didnt think this was useful in the first place, no offense =/

Nah, it's k.
I know these are pretty pointless, but I consider this something I do just for fun.

 

[oldmanondorf_]

you should become a smash researcher or something

 

[Exalted]

I was thinking of posting an application for the Smash Lab, but I'm probably underqualified xD
Thanks for the kind words though.

 

[Sovereign]

I was thinking of posting an application for the Smash Lab, but I'm probably underqualified xD
Thanks for the kind words though.

Never know until you try. I find Ganon mains to be the most apt for smash research, since we try looking for positives in such a terribly flawed character. Go for it, man. There's no harm in trying.

 

[Dumbfire]

Someone has too much free time lol.
I want to know the KO percents of Down Throw on Snake with perfect DI. loool

 

[Exalted]

Someone has too much free time lol.
I want to know the KO percents of Down Throw on Snake with perfect DI. loool

I wouldn't consider 3 hours every Sunday too much spare time, broski.

 

[Vermanubis]

Good idea, Ex.

Once this thread is completed, I'll add it into the Ganon guide.

 

[Lord Chair]

These things are so useless if no DI is involved

 

[Dumbfire]

Ex I think you overestimated the things you have to do for a right Ko thread a bit.
Nice you want to do something tho.

 

[Exalted]

Don't you mean "underestimated"?
Oh well, too bad >:U

 

[Z1GMA]

SWF Handle: Exalted
Signature Move: Warlock Punch Shield Stab

 

[Exalted]

First of all, I deeply apologize for missing two updates. No excuses. I'll compensate by givin' out 3 more updates by the end of this week.

Second; I've redesigned most of the OP and updated it with Snake's data. Enjoy! As said, expect 3 additional characters during this week.

away!

 

[Z1GMA]

Nice update.

Funfact: Jab has at least three different areas where the knockback is completely different from the other areas.

One Sour Spot, one Sweet Spot, and one... Normal Spot?

The Sour Spot has crazy attributes.
It can Jab Lock -> Forced Rising on Lylat Cruise.

Find a way to Sour Spot Jab out of Gerudo, Exalted, and everyone here will line up to dickride you.

It's a long forgotten therory I've looked into, but I never found the way of doing it.

 

[Dumbfire]

Cool! Wich one is the best one? The tip?

 

[Bahamut777]

Nice update.

Funfact: Jab has at least three different areas where the knockback is completely different from the other areas.

One Sour Spot, one Sweet Spot, and one... Normal Spot?

The Sour Spot has crazy attributes.
It can Jab Lock -> Forced Rising on Lylat Cruise.

Find a way to Sour Spot Jab out of Gerudo, Exalted, and everyone here will line up to dickride you.

It's a long forgotten therory I've looked into, but I never found the way of doing it.

I did it once, but it was on Lylat, after a Demonic Step, so it's ABSURDLY situational. I didn't even bothered to mention it.
It was like Gerudo -> Lylat tilting up on opponent's side -> Demonic Step (spot dodge, turn around) -> Jab...
Never ever pulled it off again. =(

 

[Dumbfire]

Where is the sourspot exactly?

 

[Bahamut777]

Where is the sourspot exactly?

Around Ganon's Shoulder/Upper arm.

 

[Z1GMA]

I did it once, but it was on Lylat, after a Demonic Step, so it's ABSURDLY situational. I didn't even bothered to mention it.
It was like Gerudo -> Lylat tilting up on opponent's side -> Demonic Step (spot dodge, turn around) -> Jab...
Never ever pulled it off again. =(

It is actually really easy to pull off at Lylat.
All you have to do is buffer a jab like normal.
If the tilting is correct, you'll force them to rise, and it isn't that situational, believe me, bro.

Doomfire, the sourspot is his shoulder, sort of.
Edit: ^ Baha beat me to it.

 

[Dumbfire]

It is actually really easy to pull off at Lylat.
All you have to do is buffer a jab like normal.
If the tilting is correct, you'll force them to rise, and it isn't that situational, believe me, bro.

Does it matter if its tilting up or down?

 

[Exalted]

Gerudo -> Sour Jab, eh?

Let the race of dickriding begin.

 

[Exalted]

Diddy added together with four Banana Choke followups.

 

[thexsunrosered]

BANANA CHOKE FSMASH KILLS AT 65% WTF IS THIS NONSENSE HOLY HORSE MALARKY

does that mean before the choke it's 65%?

 

[Exalted]

Yes. It would seem like that. Note that it's initiated from the center of FD and Training Mode suffers from a 5% decrease in knockback, so I'll multiply all KO % with 0.95 to get a more accurate percent.

Yep, before the choke is initiated he's at 65%. Maybe I missed the sweetspot on the Fsmash...

Edit: All KO % have now been multiplied by 0.95.

 

[Z1GMA]

Don't forget the difference in sourspotting/sweetspotting with Ganon's
Fsmash, Usmash & Bair.

Sourspotted Fsmash is when you hit them with the tip of your elbow.
Sweetspotted Fsmash is when you hit them with your chin.

Tipman KO-%'s would be a hilarious.

Sourspotted Dair, which you didn't add, is irrelevant anyway since it can't star-KO unless they're standing on a platform.

 

[Exalted]

Don't forget the difference in sourspotting/sweetspotting with Ganon's
Fsmash, Usmash & Bair.
I sweetspot the Usmash and Bair. As for Fsmash, I think I'm sourspotting it. I'll check that later. (Lmao, Ganon has so many Sweet- and Sourspots.)

Tipman KO-%'s would be a hilarious.
Lmao, that and Dthrow. I might check out Tipman though.

Thanks for pointing out some stuff that actually helps <3
Some just whine about "lmao inaccurate %s".

I'm thinking about changing the title of this thread to "Poe's Graveyard - May Your Opponents Rest in Pieces"
Opinions?

 

[Z1GMA]

Or something with Mortuary