Ganon has a chian grab?

[Pk-Ray]

I was messing about on practice against Pokémon trainer as I'm new to Ganon.

And I found his down throw to be a chain :S

Throw to the floor , do one sprint after grab again.

The timing is starnge but you can get used to it..

Anyone else noticed?

 

[J0RDY]

you were using a lvl 3 cpu?
This doesn't work, they can air dodge easily before you can follow up

 

[Pk-Ray]

I'll try using a lvl 9 or whatever.

Works with a lvl 9 squirtle on Attack setting ..

 

[:034:]

It doesn't chain against a good player who knows DI and airdodging.

Dthrow = useless.

 

[Pk-Ray]

It doesn't chain against a good player who knows DI and airdodging.

Dthrow = useless.

That's a pity.

Might catch someone off guard

Probably not.

 

[darkspatan117]

he can however tech chase people with is forward b which can act like a chain grab

 

[Ray_Kalm]

It doesn't chain against a good player who knows DI and airdodging.

Dthrow = useless.

Okay, your a disgrace to us Ganon players. I know that I'm going a bit far over of what you said, but I can't help it when I see some idiotic, excuse for words.

Ganondorf's Down throw is technically the best throw for chains he has.

- D Throw To another D Throw while the opponent is at 0%.
- D Throw to a quick dash attack, or half a sprint then a quick dash attack.
- D Throw to a Reversed Shutter Elbow ( Hold Back/Forward on the control stick then the opposite direction on the C-Stick).
- D Throw to a Dash attack to a Up B.

You have got to be creative.

To me, Ganon isn't only power. He's speed aswell.

 

[:034:]

Really? And, how often do you get this per match, exactly? And at what percentages? If you could use those at later percents, that would be better, but you can't. Only on very early percentages is d-throw remotely useful, and even so it's questionable. With the low hit-stun in Brawl combined with good DI and airdodging, you won't get away with it.

I'm really laughing at the 'disgrace' part, too... Yeah, being the namer of several moves, being around since before Sliq and Shin (who created both guides up there), having a lot more posts, a much earlier and doing my own testing and actually vitally contributing overall, it's clear that I'm the disgrace around here.

 

[AeroLink_the_SoulMaster]

Okay, your a disgrace to us Ganon players. I know that I'm going a bit far over of what you said, but I can't help it when I see some idiotic, excuse for words.

Ganondorf's Down throw is technically the best throw for chains he has.

- D Throw To another D Throw while the opponent is at 0%.
- D Throw to a quick dash attack, or half a sprint then a quick dash attack.
- D Throw to a Reversed Shutter Elbow ( Hold Back/Forward on the control stick then the opposite direction on the C-Stick).
- D Throw to a Dash attack to a Up B.

You have got to be creative.

To me, Ganon isn't only power. He's speed aswell.

I bet I could own your Ganon with my Link lol. Anyway, I'll be able to play you this Monday.

 

[Alus]

^^^ i would like too play you both!!!

 

[Swoops]

Ray_kalm, okay, A) Disgrace? Really? FD has helped out with a lot of Ganon techs, strats, and helpful threads that were unfortunately lost to the constant infestation of threads of your kind (That's right, I'm lumping you in with all of them...you've been lumped.)

B) Ray_kalm is somewhat right however, d-throw is still one of his more useful throws at low percents, although u-throw might be more useful with more testing. Lack of hitsun and DI might lower combo potential, but Wizard's Kick f*cks up any airdodgers and with landing lag, good timing and patience can land you Gerudo, f-smash, or a DA. Combo pontential=0, early mindgame potential>0 at least lol.

 

[Steeler]

this doesn't work against someone who knows about it lol

 

[Sgt. Baker]

Never used D-Throw actually. I just stick to F-Throw or U-Throw if I get the chance. That's just me though.

 

[studly]

the only way you could use it is if you mindgamed your opponent into believing that they cant get away

 

[A2ZOMG]

It doesn't chain against a good player who knows DI and airdodging.

Dthrow = useless.

Actually, if the opponent has bad aerial movement speed and air dodges towards the ground, THAT is when you can go for a regrab. But I wouldn't D-throw two times in a row though.

D-throw and U-throw suck. F-throw is what it's all about, especially if it gets people off the stage. B-throw can kill at 160% fresh.

 

[Swoops]

F-Throw only gets people off the stage...that's what it's for. U-Throw and D-Throw at least set up for things at low percents. Early % game=d-throw/u-throw, later % game=F-Throw/B-Throw

Of course U-Throw and D-Throw follow-ups can be avoided, that's not the point. The point is that all their options after D-Throw can be punished with WizKick/Gerudo/DA/F-Smash. Especially airdodgers can be punished, because Wizard's foot f*cks up any attempt at airdodging towards the ground. The hitbox is too big and people get landing lag. D-Throw is a lot about prediction and forcing the opponent into a disadvantaged position, exactly like pretty much the rest of Brawl.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Lol, you're a much better Brawl player than me I guess. I'm horrible at trapping people with things like Ganondorf's D-throw/U-throw. Sometimes though I F-throw -> Choke or regrab if the person likes shielding.

 

[Thinkaman]

Why would anyone ever use a Ganondorf throw except the f-throw, except for the b-throw at high percents?

Ganondorf's d-throw is trash and doesn't link to anything unless they just let you hit them. Ganondorf's u-throw does the same damage and also doesn't set up anything, maybe a uair against Snake or something, that's it. Meanwhile, the f-throw does about double the damage, a whopping 13-14%, while knocking them back at a good horizontal angle.

Even stale, the f-throw is the best throw. Don't use other throws.

 

[Shadow Nataku]

I'm pretty sure Ganny's D-Throw will chain into a Side+B even with DI taken into account, you just have to pull it off just a split second later rather than immediately after the throw. It'll end up usually grabbing them just as they regain control, works especially well against heavier characters who arc upwards much less.

 

[Swoops]

Why would anyone ever use a Ganondorf throw except the f-throw, except for the b-throw at high percents?

Ganondorf's d-throw is trash and doesn't link to anything unless they just let you hit them. Ganondorf's u-throw does the same damage and also doesn't set up anything, maybe a uair against Snake or something, that's it. Meanwhile, the f-throw does about double the damage, a whopping 13-14%, while knocking them back at a good horizontal angle.

Even stale, the f-throw is the best throw. Don't use other throws.

D-Throw doesn't lead to anything guaranteed, like I've been saying. But that's not the point of D-Throw. F-Throw just does 13-14% quick damage, and sends them away from Ganon. Why would you want your opponent to be further away from Ganon unless they're off the ledge? F-Throw knocks away and resets, giving them the chance to keep you away again. Even if they DI, if they airdodge, you get a free Gerudo, Wizard's foot, or DA. They try to attack you our of it, you wait, punish lag. Does no one get the the idea of limiting their options and putting them in a position where you have the advantage?

 

[Rykard]

i agree with swoops. but i think this was to dicuss the possiblility of a downthrow chaingrab, not the use of the downthrow altogether

 

[Vengeful]

Okay, your a disgrace to us Ganon players. I know that I'm going a bit far over of what you said, but I can't help it when I see some idiotic, excuse for words.

Ganondorf's Down throw is technically the best throw for chains he has.

- D Throw To another D Throw while the opponent is at 0%.
- D Throw to a quick dash attack, or half a sprint then a quick dash attack.
- D Throw to a Reversed Shutter Elbow ( Hold Back/Forward on the control stick then the opposite direction on the C-Stick).
- D Throw to a Dash attack to a Up B.

You have got to be creative.

To me, Ganon isn't only power. He's speed aswell.

lol at you saying FD is a disgrace to the Ganon community, he has helped so much if not the most with Ganon's metagame.

 

[Rykard]

Final destination is a disgrace to the ganon community?

dont mean to sound like a mother but guys, this is pointless aguement. you all have the rights to your opinions but just keep it to yourselves

 

[Vengeful]

Final destination is a disgrace to the ganon community?

dont mean to sound like a mother but guys, this is pointless aguement. you all have the rights to your opinions but just keep it to yourselves

I hope that was sarcasm, FD = Flying Dutchman. A great Ganon player.

 

[Rykard]

haha it was hence the smiley :o)

 

[~Peachy~]

Sorry, I'm just a random browser, but I can't help to notice how many newcomers are attracted to Ganondorf. Maybe he's starting to get popular?

 

[Griffard]

Okay, your a disgrace to us Ganon players. I know that I'm going a bit far over of what you said, but I can't help it when I see some idiotic, excuse for words.

Ganondorf's Down throw is technically the best throw for chains he has.

- D Throw To another D Throw while the opponent is at 0%.
- D Throw to a quick dash attack, or half a sprint then a quick dash attack.
- D Throw to a Reversed Shutter Elbow ( Hold Back/Forward on the control stick then the opposite direction on the C-Stick).
- D Throw to a Dash attack to a Up B.

You have got to be creative.

To me, Ganon isn't only power. He's speed aswell.

1. Maybe you should look at these boards before you make a generalizations about THE MOST helpful current Ganondorf user.
2. None of your options are actually combos
3. Don't be a ********************

 

[Swoops]

...you had to type all of those asterisks...you just had to. What bad word in the english language is that long?

 

[dankblak3]

******************** is.

 

[:034:]

Cool, I got praise and stuff.

 

[Thinkaman]

You have freaking ******* from the ******* of *************** as your avatar. Of course we are going to think you are ******* awesome, no surprise or spoilers there...

 

[Samuelson]

i'll Try Using A Lvl 9 Or Whatever.

Works With A Lvl 9 Squirtle On Attack Setting ..

...lawl

 

[Devil7]

1. Maybe you should look at these boards before you make a generalizations about THE MOST helpful current Ganondorf user.
2. None of your options are actually combos
3. Don't be a ********************

actually the d-throw to stutter step is a combo on about half of the cast

 

[studly]

Sorry, I'm just a random browser, but I can't help to notice how many newcomers are attracted to Ganondorf. Maybe he's starting to get popular?

despite his low tierishness ganon has always been the most popular character at anny of my groups local smash get togethers

 

[~Peachy~]

Despite him being low tier, Ganondorf has always been the most popular character at any of my groups local smash get togethers.

Good to know. He really is a fun character to use.

It seems a lot of the mains here are spam-asterisk-happy people. That's also good to know.

 

[Gleam]

Ganon may be low on the list, but bring up a list and Gano would win the "Most fun to play" poll. He's just awesome and when you win, or connect an attack its exhilarating. Sending your opponent up or down at 10,000,000,000 MPH nothing beats it.

 

[Sgt. Baker]

Go Ganon?

Lol, this topic took a turn for the better I believe.

 

[Gleam]

I was checking out the tourney rankings and Ganon actually won a tournament! I was shocked...

 

[:034:]

The guy also used Meta Knight. >_>

You have freaking ******* from the ******* of *************** as your avatar. Of course we are going to think you are ******* awesome, no surprise or spoilers there...

*********** ********** ****** ** *************************************************************** **************

 

[Sliq]

Use down throw at lower percents for Shin Breaker and Murder Choke setups, use back and forward throw to get them off the stage to edgeguard, and use up throw when you have plats so you can force them to land above you.

Up throw is also awesome against Snake, as well as other characters that have limited aerial options when they are above you.

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