Gamelot Monthly 3 (Metaknight is NOT Banned) San Antonio TX November 15th 2008

[forkgirl]

I'm in the process of getting a job ASAP so as soon as i know i can get off, I'll confirm whether i can run melee :D

 

[The MC Clusky]

NEW BRAWL RULES:


Random Select
Battlefield
Final Destination
Smashville
Yoshi's Island

Counterpick
Brinstar
Castle Siege
Corneria
Delfino
Distant Planet
Frigate Orpheon
Green Hill Zone
Jungle Japes
Luigi's Mansion
Lylat Cruise
Norfair
Pictochat
Pirate Ship
Pokémon Stadium 1
Pokémon Stadium 2
Rainbow Cruise
Yoshi's Island (Pipes)

Everything else is banned.

No items
Time Limit: 7 minutes
3 stock
At the beginning of a match players can opt for a double blind pick.

Each player can strike one non random stage.

At the start of the first round, each player can use one random reset, meaning if the stage that comes up on random is not to their liking, they may opt to randomize it again. If both players use their reset, the final reset must stay.

After the first round the loser picks the stage, the winner decides what character he will play and then the loser will pick their character and the next round will begin.

ALL Stall tactics such as MetaKnight's Infinite Dimensional Cape glitch are banned, unless they are for recovery purposes.

Discuss.

 

[mettaknight-king16]

why hasn't news of this tourney shown up on gamelot's event calender?

 

[The MC Clusky]

why hasn't news of this tourney shown up on gamelot's event calender?

I thought Cliff would handle that

 

[mettaknight-king16]

well i checked the site calender and the only brawl thing is the normal wednesday brawl

 

[The MC Clusky]

well i checked the site calender and the only brawl thing is the normal wednesday brawl

I know. And I tried making an account but it wasn't working for some reason. Anyways, let your friends know to look here and I'll let Cliff know about his calender.

 

[mettaknight-king16]

okay!!!!

iz can not wait for teh tourny!

 

[The MC Clusky]

Final update to rules:

Corneria has been cut and replaced with Green Greens.

California striking system is in effect instead of random select:

At the start of the first round, players flip a coin. Players then take turns to elminate stages one by one until there is only one remaining. The remaining stage will be used.

 

[mettaknight-king16]

Ok! i can totaly live with that!
XD!

 

[PozerWolf]

Awesome!

How many of you guys will be joining up on the other games? =)

 

[mettaknight-king16]

Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nike.]

I love this guy :D

 

[Dr Mario Kart]

He's adorable.

 

[fsdfsdgsgdf]

I love his cheeks

 

[forkgirl]

good news: i finally got a job :D

which means...bad news: i cant come/help out ;_;

i work every saturday

 

[fsdfsdgsgdf]

good news: i finally got a job :D

which means...bad news: i cant come/help out ;_;

i work every saturday

no johns

10char

 

[GreyFox86]

Whats with the Cali Striking Rule?

Smashers don't like to random anymore or what?

 

[chickenwing2k2]

just to confirm....is MK banned from this tournament??

 

[The MC Clusky]

just to confirm....is MK banned from this tournament??

METAKNIGHT IS NOT BANNED FROM THIS TOURNAMENT.

My opinion is that a uniform ban on Metaknight is not possible at the current time. So far only the midwest and south have made movements towards banning him. Until the entire country has moved towards banning him I don't find it very wise for our community to ban him.

Just play Snake if you want to beat Meta without using Meta. It's the worst matchup Meta has. Snake kills him at low percents. Snake outcamps Meta. Uptilt will beat Tornado spam.

For those who think that they should not have to play other characters "because it's gay" obviously don't plan to play to win. The best players will choose whatever character they need to win. Azen mains Lucario but that won't stop him from using Metaknight or any other character. He's best known as a master of all characters as it is.

There is no one pro out there that will say that he is "above" using a character. Only scrubs will say they do not stoop to a tactic. It's essentially an imaginary metagame where they won't have to worry about anything they don't like.

Harsh reality is, you will have to always be ready to face something in tournament you don't want to face.

Unless it is clear the majority of the community is going to ban him, and thus have him removed from the metagame, I will not ban him.

As for any last minute change to that, it would take a near unamious vote at the tournament to make me change my mind.

 

[fsdfsdgsgdf]

METAKNIGHT IS NOT BANNED FROM THIS TOURNAMENT.

My opinion is that a uniform ban on Metaknight is not possible at the current time. So far only the midwest and south have made movements towards banning him. Until the entire country has moved towards banning him I don't find it very wise for our community to ban him.

Just play Snake if you want to beat Meta without using Meta. It's the worst matchup Meta has. Snake kills him at low percents. Snake outcamps Meta. Uptilt will beat Tornado spam.

For those who think that they should not have to play other characters "because it's gay" obviously don't plan to play to win. The best players will choose whatever character they need to win. Azen mains Lucario but that won't stop him from using Metaknight or any other character. He's best known as a master of all characters as it is.

There is no one pro out there that will say that he is "above" using a character. Only scrubs will say they do not stoop to a tactic. It's essentially an imaginary metagame where they won't have to worry about anything they don't like.

Harsh reality is, you will have to always be ready to face something in tournament you don't want to face.

Unless it is clear the majority of the community is going to ban him, and thus have him removed from the metagame, I will not ban him.

As for any last minute change to that, it would take a near unamious vote at the tournament to make me change my mind.

Here we go.....

1. Texas is the south, why must we wait for the whole country for such a small community.

2. Now you are telling us to "just play snake" now we must play a character we dont want to play with...just to help our chance at winning. Snake is not even MK's next worse matchup it's actually DK. But now i guess the tournies will be all snake and mk's again...like it was a few months ago when snake used to win all the tournaments (not here, everywhere)

3. Azen is a "pro" he has nothing to do with this and all he does his spam smash attacks anyways lol

4. We can vote. Im sure people will stop showing up when MK keeps getting first or DMK for that matter, alot of people already hate his playing style. I know for a fact if MK dominates this tournament and a MK wins it i wont be coming back to another one.

 

[GreyFox86]

KM, I honestly don't know why you don't want to ban Meta just this once.

I personally don't have a problem playing against him, cause both Zelda and Snake have a decent chance against Meta, and I think your right about the whole harsh reality thing. Everyone is gonna eventually play against characters that have proven to be a huge or small disadvantage, and everyone is eventually gonna have to play someone (player) that they know they are gonna lose to.

Me IMO, i support the ban, but at a different light of things. Most players want him gone cause they can't handle his gameplay, which in term is understandable cause they just don't know how to get around Meta, but for me i would like to see other characters being played (IE everyone's TRUE mains). Meta is a good character don't get me wrong, but the past top placings is nothing but a bore really. First place: Meta, Second place: non-Meta, Third place: Meta/non-Meta. Its getting to be like a broken record that plays the same beat over and over and over again. Now I'm not gonna say, 'Oh i would love to see C.Fal win this tourney', 'cause come on now lets be REAL here (unless of course you're RoyR and can make it to GF's with C.Fal).

All in all, I'm just wanting to see the rest of the cast place in the top slots every once in a while.

 

[Espy Rose]

Just play Snake if you want to beat Meta without using Meta. It's the worst matchup Meta has. Snake kills him at low percents. Snake outcamps Meta. Uptilt will beat Tornado spam.

For those who think that they should not have to play other characters "because it's gay" obviously don't plan to play to win. The best players will choose whatever character they need to win. Azen mains Lucario but that won't stop him from using Metaknight or any other character. He's best known as a master of all characters as it is.

If you're playing to win, then quit saying "play Snake". Just pick Meta Knight.

Winning is all good and fine, but I play to have fun. [/off topic]

Oh, and Snake isn't Meta's worst matchup. There are counterpick stages to fux Snake up.
Just go MK. MK can't counterpick MK.

Done and done.

My only problem with Meta Knight is that he's lame...and boring, as GreyFox has said.
Anything vs. MK is possibly the most boring matchups I can think of.

Even Jiggz dittos on Dreamland in Melee were more fun to watch.

 

[GreyFox86]

Hey Espy, do you know of a place to Brawl at?

 

[The MC Clusky]

If you're playing to win, then quit saying "play Snake". Just pick Meta Knight.

Winning is all good and fine, but I play to have fun. [/off topic]

Oh, and Snake isn't Meta's worst matchup. There are counterpick stages to fux Snake up.
Just go MK. MK can't counterpick MK.

Done and done.

My only problem with Meta Knight is that he's lame...and boring, as GreyFox has said.
Anything vs. MK is possibly the most boring matchups I can think of.

Even Jiggz dittos on Dreamland in Melee were more fun to watch.

I'm just pointing out there are options out there, people aren't choosing to utilize them for naive reasons. If it's boring oh well. Me picking Gannondorf over Peach in tournament has cost me matches. I wasn't pick Gannondorf because it was a better matchup, I was because I thought Peach vs Jiggs was boring.

Boring has nothing to do with tournaments. You know why Evo had items? Because they wanted to make it more exciting to watch.

Anyways, as for making a ban on Metaknight, I'm sticking to two things:

Unless I see a more uniform ban across all regions

OR

I have a 90% vote before this tournament. It will be done with a simple show of hands.

 

[chickenwing2k2]

a little birdie has informed me of a few things:

1. Sometime in the near future, MK will be banned. A lot of regions are seeing the diversity in the results.

2. Since San Antonio will be joint with the Houston chapter of NVGA sometime in the near future, we will hopefully run tournaments under their structure until SA will become it's own chapter. And since we will be officially become joint with Houston, we will have to run our future structured tournaments under their rules.

3. oh....did i mention SA is working on having it's own chapter with NVGA??

Kyle: it's your call...BUT make the announcement before the tournament....like...NOW before not 20 minutes before the tournament. Thanks!!!

 

[fsdfsdgsgdf]

yea make the announcement now so DMK knows if he is gonna go or not

 

[GreyFox86]

DMK is gonna show up regardless. He even stated that he has been playing with other characters in the cast, just in case such an act were to happen.

@Chicken: What is this NVGA you speak of? It's news to me pal =/

 

[The MC Clusky]

Yeah, Duggfin told me about.

http://www.nvgaonline.com/forums/index.php?act=home

But **** Houston's ruleset. I don't agree with the grab/release stuff. But if happens oh well. I just don't want to be subject to majority rule. Or TGM's ruleset. Great tournament host, I just don't agree with his views on rule sets.

 

[GreyFox86]

Well the whole 5 grabs before you stop kinda is annoying but it kinda stops D3/Falco mains from racking up easy damage on Castle Siege, Smashville, FD or any flat stages that's big enough.

But the only Ruleset that bothers me is the Cali Ruleset. Honestly, flipping a coin to chose a stage? Really? Has it gotten so lame that Smashers like myself can't just agree on the random 4 or agree on one of the counters stages or the STRIKING SYSTEM?

 

[The MC Clusky]

Well the whole 5 grabs before you stop kinda is annoying but it kinda stops D3/Falco mains from racking up easy damage on Castle Siege, Smashville, FD or any flat stages that's big enough.

But the only Ruleset that bothers me is the Cali Ruleset. Honestly, flipping a coin to chose a stage? Really? Has it gotten so lame that Smashers like myself can't just agree on the random 4 or agree on one of the counters stages or the STRIKING SYSTEM?

Isn't the flipping a coin thing only to decide who gets to strike out stages?

 

[fsdfsdgsgdf]

let's flip a coin about MK

heads-we ban him

tails- we ban him

 

[Dr Drew the Dragon]

You don't HAVE to flip a coin...

Someone just has to man up and strike the first stage, then it just alternates. It's not a huge deal anyways...

 

[GreyFox86]

You don't HAVE to flip a coin...

Someone just has to man up and strike the first stage, then it just alternates. It's not a huge deal anyways...

See, I didn't get that part. I thought it was flip a coin and that person decides on what stage to strike then flip again for the next stage.

Well even though that cuts the time in half, I personally like the Striking Ruleset. But then again, I have never done it so next time i have a chance then I'll just do that and compare.

 

[Espy Rose]

You could always do rock-paper-scissors over flipping a coin, GreyFox.

Oh, and KM, yes, it's naive for me not to play as MK if I wanted to play to win. It's also ridiculous of me to believe he needs to be banned because of it.

However, that is not the reason I would like him banned. If you listened in on the podcast about the topic, pretty much (emphasis ahead) "most" of the problems Overswarm and Edreeses addressed I agree with.

I really, REALLY don't want to see the game boil down to MK vs. MK (It won't realistically happen, but logically, it should). I'm already getting tired of anxiously waiting for videos of some awesome finals matches across the region, only to be dissapointed time and time again to see even one MK show it's ugly mask on the character select screen.

As a matter of fact, I've considered going MK many, many times as is already, but I refuse to, because it's just not in my nature to play as someone with his qualities.

I thought I'd already told you KM, I'm a mid/low tier *****. They just don't get much love.

That, and Brawl has Sonic. I'm satisfied until SSB4...

Spoiler

It's his name and speed's his game.

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Boring has nothing to do with tournaments. You know why Evo had items? Because they wanted to make it more exciting to watch

I disagree. What's interesting to the players is subjective, not objective. Many people (myself included) where disgusted at Evo's tournament.

And boredom DOES affect a tournament. No one would be going to tournaments if they were boring, now would they?
I know I wouldn't. As said, I go to tournaments to play interesting people, and interesting characters.

I just don't find MK interesting.

 

[GreyFox86]

I thought I'd already told you KM, I'm a mid/low tier *****. They just don't get much love.

You sir have my respect and 20 Kudos. (Mind you, no one i know has ever gotten that many kudos before in my history of kudos giving.)

I feel your pain (or joy however you wanna take it) about being a LowTier *****. All of my characters were characters I liked and they just so happened to be low/mid tier. Hell, back in the days of Naruto, I was known as Greyfox - Epic King of Lowtier/Lowtier Madness. But enough about me, and lets get back to the present.

There's a topic that states that being a Lowtier main doesn't make you unique. Well i think it does cause you could have mained a top tier but I see it as having some pride in who you main

Zelda now and forever right here

 

[fsdfsdgsgdf]

kirby and PT right here

 

[The MC Clusky]

**** ya'll I'll play Snake because he's awesome.

Being top tier is a mere side effect of Snake's sheer awesomeness.

 

[fsdfsdgsgdf]

5$ says my PT beats ur snake

 

[chickenwing2k2]

First of all...i still don't see the need to choose a stage...

Here's my opinion.

choose all neutral stages...then Make them all random...all the time.

****'s worked for Tekken, SC, 3S, CvS...and countless other FG's...WHY does this one have to be different.

Kyle: it isn't going to be much of a choice anytime longer...so enjoy the tournaments that you're hosting. Because once the joint chapter is finalized...we will officially move to Thier ruleset, not questions asked.

GF: NVGA is...well..it's complicated to explain atm...but i'll get at ya ASAP.

oh since this tournament is allowing MK i'm doing a Side bet.

$10 bucks says that 50% of the top 10 placers will main OR side MetaKnight.

 

[The MC Clusky]

First of all...i still don't see the need to choose a stage...

Here's my opinion.

choose all neutral stages...then Make them all random...all the time.

****'s worked for Tekken, SC, 3S, CvS...and countless other FG's...WHY does this one have to be different.

Kyle: it isn't going to be much of a choice anytime longer...so enjoy the tournaments that you're hosting. Because once the joint chapter is finalized...we will officially move to Thier ruleset, not questions asked.

GF: NVGA is...well..it's complicated to explain atm...but i'll get at ya ASAP.

oh since this tournament is allowing MK i'm doing a Side bet.

$10 bucks says that 50% of the top 10 placers will main OR side MetaKnight.

Smash is certainly NOT to be rolled up with other fighters. Certain stages can make or break a matchup.

In melee.... Yoshi's story? More like Marth's Story. Free tippers on the first two platforms no matter where you tech.

That's a pretty big advantage.

To leave those advantages to mere chance is fool hardy. That's why the smash community has worked so hard to try to perfect a system to select stages.