Kantrip
Kantplay
I'll give you time to say your piece
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tick tock tick tock.I'm waiting on a claim from you and that is it.
It's just sounding like bitterness and salt to me. What's the point of all that? Save it for post game, it's just looking like AtE right now.wow i was ready to come in here n drop a vote cuz were ****ed after that ****storm
HEAR ME SCUM
town pretty much won this game for yall. we were neutered of a defense from kevin n maven n our own lynches were secured on his gunsmith claim when those lynches SHOULD have been nabe/red ruy in either order. just know that this victory is a fluke n im saying that out of wanting the get the truth out there not out bitterness/salt
this is meaight. karebear here.
first things first, I don't know how the hell Maven would come up with a 'gun' result on us. Here are my current top theories.
#5 Maven's role was actually misleading in some way- i.e. he was insane or something. I doubt this b/c of the ditzy result but w/e
#4 some sort of mod error from Gheb, or maybe Maven just got results wrong.
#3 Maven was redirected or there was a bus drive; i.e. Maven didn't actually target us.
#2 there's something about our role we don't know- maybe we're uninformed miller or something weird.
#1 we were targeted with something that made us investigate as scum, i.e. framer/tailor.
the last one is my favourite theory.
now before i go any further, we're a vanilla townie. there's a picture of an ice cream cone in our role pm. we haven't done **** at night, and have no reason to suspect we would turn up a bad result.
now, on the other hand, maven's flip is pretty weird with a flipped comparison cop. admittedly, neither of their roles are that definitive on their own, especially with red herrings like dietz and laundry floating around. but in any setup with two cops you expect one of them to be insane in some way, and by the same logic I would be amazed if scum don't have something to combat the two roles we had.
as an aside, 'simple setup', thx for the troll, gheb.
at the moment, I expect that we got framed on Night 2. we are a pretty good target for that sort of thing, after all. I have literally zero evidence to support that, it's just my best guess at what happened given what I do know about the setup.But that's not everything I want to talk about.
I asked Maven Day 3 why he thought we were scum, and honestly I don't think I ever saw a reason beyond the fact he had a role he trusted beyond doubt. I don't think i've seen a reason out of anyone as to why our play is scummy, but i'm probably not gonna convince anyone out of their opinion since it's minutes to midnight right now. I just want to point out a few things:
if we are scum, and we saw what Maven was posting on Day 2 (like 'if I die pile on HB'), would we have left him alive? Sure, we did at least manage to lynch him, but is that worth him hard claiming and clearing another slot?
Another thing- would we really have bodied Jex on Day 1 as his buddy? Or even allowed him to post some of that dumb ****?
I don't know. We're probably just gonna get KevinM's lynch wrapped around our neck and that'll be the end of it. But ****ing think about it a little before you do, for my sake.
I think the only other things to mention is what I've been pursuing. Nabe being alive is pretty suspect in itself. With four flipped town PRs you have to wonder. I want to know his results, I want him to ****ing play the game and actually have input on anything from Day2 onwards, and im really curious what he thinks of Red Ryu given he has had literally no interaction with a slot he can typically read 100%.
Of course, you'll probably tell me that we need to die before Nabe, but go figure. I think that's everything I wanted to say.
I'll take questions if you've got 'em, i'm gonna go look for some sad MGS music and start writing my shoutouts.
'll take questions if you've got them.
the point is that its true. scum literally had to sit back this game n watch town devour itself when kevin SHOULD have been here fighting his lynch and the gunsmith fiasco (2 mislynches) should have never happened. its not intended as some plea cuz i expect town to lynch me n i wouldnt blame them at all cuz if i was their shoes idve just come into the thread tell my slot to shut the **** up and voted me by now so props on whoevers even exercising this amount of patience at this pointIt's just sounding like bitterness and salt to me. What's the point of all that? Save it for post game, it's just looking like AtE right now.
He claimed vanillaNabe read and left. Fun.
Hardbody ignored my request for a claim twice. I will not give them a third and will be voting on my next post if they don't.
Nabe not being killed is super suspicious. I'd consider him the last scum by far given his lack of input and overall questionable picks of Kantrip.
Why do people think I am still scum? Does my talk with Maven seem faked?
@ Sons of Hardbody last chance and I am a man of my word. Claim now or I will body you into the ground.
Nabe claims to RB Ryu, they can't be aligned?The ONLY possible scumteam that doesn't contain Sons of Hardbody is Ruy + Nabe, in which case it is a bit strange that Nabe claimed to roleblock ruy. It would also rely on Ruy being a framer who also shows inno to gunsmith.
Honestly I think I'm just buying into the AtE a bit, it was pretty gross the way marshkary negotiated themselves out of a lynch to get kevinm first and then managed to pull a lynch on the gunsmith with a guilty on them. It would be incredibly embarrassing to let that slip through the cracks.
Vote: Sons of Hardbody
*holds breath for naberuy alpha*
if yu targeted ruy then why did yu like this post late last dayphase? i took it as a crumbvote jd
wait. you think marshy is being salty here? Do you think we'd actually be salty if we were scum and managed to lynch someone who had a bingo on us? 'Save it for post game' in particular suggests you think we would make this same post after we flip...It's just sounding like bitterness and salt to me. What's the point of all that? Save it for post game, it's just looking like AtE right now.
That was part of the catch attempt. I didn't get in any reads on D3, so near deadline when I had a chance to post, I made a post to Dietz, and I put some random question to you to signal that I had your read up in the air rather than strictly scum. I gave a Like to posts by Ryu and Potassium as well, but with our history you'd be the one to see a Like as a PR handwave under the table, and hopefully suspect a town read as a result, because why else would I signal you?if yu targeted ruy then why did yu like this post late last dayphase? i took it as a crumb
End of Day (ignoring Maven on presumed town flip) my pool of RB targets is you, Dietz, Ryu, Potassium, and Badwolf. Maven says you're scum, in public, so assuming you have a partner, you won't be making the kill that Night. Dietz is town if you're scum, your attempts at lynching him weren't SvS. And you're not scum with Badwolf, because you (marshy) would have bussed him into the ground D1, rather than JeXs.also did yu SERIOUSLY roleblock the guy who appeared as not having a gun? are you TRYING to b the most unbelievable n ridiculous roleblocker of all time? im getting sick of yur targets not making any damn sense
your reasoning for bwolf as not being my partner makes no sense considering a jexs bus wouldve been necessary off his play which does away your sons/potato teamEnd of Day (ignoring Maven on presumed town flip) my pool of RB targets is you, Dietz, Ryu, Potassium, and Badwolf. Maven says you're scum, in public, so assuming you have a partner, you won't be making the kill that Night. Dietz is town if you're scum, your attempts at lynching him weren't SvS. And you're not scum with Badwolf, because you (marshy) would have bussed him into the ground D1, rather than JeXs.
So it was between Ryu and Potato for second scum, both of whom I've blocked once before. But Ryu's block was more recently AND had the gun clear from Maven, while you have a gun guilty. Supposing Ryu was scum with you, he would have to make the NK instead of you. Therefore, roleblocking Ryu ensured for me the equivalent of an investigative result: on a block, he was scum, and on a no-block, it was Potassium.
I blocked Ryu again, hoped to catch the kill off-guard since I did him last Night.
okay nabe yure right this is really believable n consistentEnd of Day (ignoring Maven on presumed town flip) my pool of RB targets is you, Dietz, Ryu, Potassium, and Badwolf. Maven says you're scum, in public, so assuming you have a partner, you won't be making the kill that Night. Dietz is town if you're scum, your attempts at lynching him weren't SvS. And you're not scum with Badwolf, because you (marshy) would have bussed him into the ground D1, rather than JeXs.
So it was between Ryu and Potato for second scum, both of whom I've blocked once before. But Ryu's block was more recently AND had the gun clear from Maven, while you have a gun guilty. Supposing Ryu was scum with you, he would have to make the NK instead of you. Therefore, roleblocking Ryu ensured for me the equivalent of an investigative result: on a block, he was scum, and on a no-block, it was Potassium.
"everyone listen to a bunch of bull**** that justifies me not doing jack**** in the thread cuz i had a secret plan with my role that had zero resultsCoffee break. I'm realizing that I need to clear up what I've been doing, so here's some preemptive answers to questions hopefully.
I've been eyeing Ryu all game, but kept it quiet. (From his first post he set me off, but for different reasons than Laundry.) If Ryu was scum, as a PR I didn't want to be on his radar whatsoever. That's why I focused so heavily on the Laundry side of Laundry/Ryu interactions D1. I thought Laundry was a bit scummy, but I really just wanted my hand in it for Ryu, and played devil's advocate for the most part. You'll also notice if you read through the game that I never mention Ryu, except to ask other players questions about Ryu, and never questions that would suggest any read on Ryu except for town.
After the Laundry roleblock N1 I was eyeing marshy/Kev with Ryu, and ran with that D2 until Potassium made a reads list I didn't like, after my claim. He immediately 180'd on me as did Ryu, which I don't think was called for with an RB claim, and I didn't like the timing and the symmetry there. marshy seemed to just shrug and accept that town didn't want me toDay, which was in line with what I'd expect from town marshy. I also felt that Potassium seemed to float over the Day, moreso influencing what was happening than creating new ideas. An example of this would be the way he meandered into suspicion of me after Laundry brought me up, eventually being the driver behind the idea that Dietz should shoot me when he was lynched. That example is important because it highlights the stark 180 when he called me town post-claim. But it was really about Ryu in the end, which is why I gave Unvote a weak excuse D3.
After the N2 Potassium block, I went back to marshy/Kev D3, leaning Kev because of his absence, and eventually because of marshy's decent play that Day as well. I didn't get much of a chance to post, but that suited my strategy at that point anyway. Ryu paid a lot more attention to me D3 than he had previously, and he didn't return to the thread to respond to my Potassium reasoning before Kevin's flip. I decided to go for the Ryu block that Night, since due to the timing I didn't get a public stance from Ryu and there wouldn't have been anything in thread pointing to him having done it.
D4, probably should have let the Ryu thing go, but even then I thought after Maven's claim that some framer-like role might have screwed with results, moreso because I still wanted to believe Ryu scum than because of any setup considerations. I don't think anymore that such a role exists, or if it does, that it was used to skew Maven's result on Hardbody. If Hardbody were town, that would **** with my Ryu clear and make it Ryu/Potassium, which would have delighted me D2. BUT, for that to have happened, this role would have had to target Hardbody N2 AND Ryu N3, both Nights that they were targeted by Maven. The likelihood of that perfect choice twice in a row takes the wind out of my Ryuscum sails.
I don't know why I'm still alive, but looking at the player list I'd guess that it's about managing strong townreads to set up a winnable endgame. Previous kills (Macman and Unvote, particularly) have been strongly unified townreads. Badwolf probably fits that better than Dietz, but maybe scum thought they would have trouble convincing Dietz on a hunter shot? Ryu kept saying that Dietz was going to go in lylo, and marshy also said that a handful of times, so I don't think it was out of the question.
this doesnt make ANY ****ing senseSo it was between Ryu and Potato for second scum, both of whom I've blocked once before. But Ryu's block was more recently AND had the gun clear from Maven, while you have a gun guilty. Supposing Ryu was scum with you, he would have to make the NK instead of you. Therefore, roleblocking Ryu ensured for me the equivalent of an investigative result: on a block, he was scum, and on a no-block, it was Potassium.
Pretty much.btw im still alive cuz even tho i should b the clear kill im so utterly worthless as a slot that scum felt no threat from me"
What makes the Jexs bus necessary fypov?your reasoning for bwolf as not being my partner makes no sense considering a jexs bus wouldve been necessary off his play which does away your sons/potato team
slimy. as town its yur job to look townier than the sons/potato team yure pushing and yur blase attitude does nothing to accomplish thisI'm down to lynch Potato, the order doesn't matter to me. But you have the equivalent of a guilty from a flipped investigative, so I get the impression that'll be a hard sell.
this doesnt make ANY ****ing sense
RUY WAS SHOWN AS NOT HAVING A GUN AND THE GUNSMITH FLIPPED TOWN. BY TARGETING HIM YOU ARE NOT EVEN TRYING TO STOP THE ****ING NKILL WHICH IS THE ENTIRE REASON WE LEFT YOU ALIVE. RUY IS THE LAST PERSON YOU TARGET FROM A TOWN POINT OF VIEW REGARDLESS OF HIS PARTNER
i REFUSE to believe youre THIS incompetent
idk guess I'm incompetentD4, probably should have let the Ryu thing go, but even then I thought after Maven's claim that some framer-like role might have screwed with results, moreso because I still wanted to believe Ryu scum than because of any setup considerations. I don't think anymore that such a role exists, or if it does, that it was used to skew Maven's result on Hardbody. If Hardbody were town, that would **** with my Ryu clear and make it Ryu/Potassium, which would have delighted me D2. BUT, for that to have happened, this role would have had to target Hardbody N2 AND Ryu N3, both Nights that they were targeted by Maven. The likelihood of that perfect choice twice in a row takes the wind out of my Ryuscum sails.