Fsmash or knee?

[Wenbobular]

They can still getup attack after jab reset if they have the presence of mind to do so ... good thing most people suck so it's a non-issue most of the time

 

[Scar]

how do you do that btw? getup attack after jab reset

 

[Wenbobular]

Because I'm pretty sure I've done it when playing Fox vs Falcon

I think if you're given the option to roll then you're allowed to getup attack also, but it's harder to hit A than it is to hold a direction

 

[phish-it]

You can jab reset > f smash. To really know which is a better option we would need to compare the knockback growth on both moves although I'm not sure you have the info for that kind of comparison. Down smash is also a doable option as I think it send people on a lower trajectory.

Forward Smash side:

Angle: 361
Base Knockback: 24
Damage: 20
Knockback Growth: 100

Forward Smash low:

Angle: 361
Base Knockback: 24
Damage: 19
Knockback Growth: 100

Forward Smash high:

Angle: 361
Base Knockback: 24
Damage: 21
Knockback Growth: 100


Knee:

Angle: 32
Base Knockback: 24
Damage: 18
Knockback Growth: 100



Since Knockback is effected after damage is taken into account the forward smash is always stronger. Not to mention you can charge it too. The knee is obviously still better for following up though. And.. that angle is brutal.




Also, most people probably dont know this but an aerial Falcon punch has slightly more knockback than a grounded one; should an unfortunate jigglypuff fall asleep in front of you.

 

[stelzig]

Definately use knee. It looks and feels way cooler than Fsmash when it lands.

Even though 64 fsmash was way cooler, I still disagree. Fsmash definitely feels better than knee when it lands. :D

 

[Scar]

up angle fsmash is the coolest but i can't do it reliably yet lol

does anyone do it without the cstick? is there an easy way to charge up angle fsmash?

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

........ knee

 

[adechrist]

up angle fsmash is the coolest but i can't do it reliably yet lol

does anyone do it without the cstick? is there an easy way to charge up angle fsmash?

I do it without the cstick. You can charge your smashes with the c-stick, just hold either A or Z to charge your smash.

 

[Wenbobular]

I didn't know you could angle Fsmashes with Cstick

 

[Scar]

yeah you have to hit it right below the groove for northwest/northeast. is it the same thing with the grey stick?

 

[Wenbobular]

It's just smashing the angled Ftilts

 

[Jockmaster]

The answer is simple: neither

Do gentleman's

 

[Wizzrobe]

The answer is simple: neither

Do gentleman's

Lol, you never want to end a combo with a gentleman, it doesn't even give much knockback.

Either f-smash or knee like the thread says

 

[Deleted member]

up-angled f-smash trades more reliably vs aerials than regular f-smash pretty useful

most noticeable in falcon dittos when other falcon does n-air angled f-smash trades

 

[Juggleguy]

An old secret I learned from BigD is that up-angled ftilt beat Falcon nair in the ditto... if your opponent gets predictable it can be an option

 

[Wizzrobe]

An old secret I learned from BigD is that up-angled ftilt beat Falcon nair in the ditto... if your opponent gets predictable it can be an option

I was playing a pretty good Falcon recently in Falcon dittos and I noticed him doing this sometimes. I'll probably start to use this in the Falcon ditto matchup.

 

[Wenbobular]

Falcon's dashdance covers half the screen
That's like some Ganondorf tech because he isn't fast enough to run away from the Nair

 

[sirlaser]

Uthrow -> Up-ftilt works on fastfallers @ mid-high%s which may lead into a knee. Also, SS Tapion Punch Combo'd Dr.PP during Pound 4, giving hope to Falcon Punch.

Regarding charged fsmash vs falcon punch on puff: I though both did 27% non-stale? Why is charged fsmash considered superior?

 

[Wenbobular]

Scaling maybe? Who cares, if they're not gonna die from Fsmash or Falcon Punch then double knee them instead haha

 

[oukd]

They can still getup attack after jab reset if they have the presence of mind to do so ... good thing most people suck so it's a non-issue most of the time

I'm pretty sure that rolling/getup attack out of jab reset is only an option past a certain percentage - Fox at 42%, Falco at 32%, etc. (according to sheik boards) Jab resets below those percentages is a forced standup.

inb4 'david what are you doing on the falcon boards'

 

[Wenbobular]

I'm pretty sure that rolling/getup attack out of jab reset is only an option past a certain percentage - Fox at 42%, Falco at 32%, etc. (according to sheik boards) Jab resets below those percentages is a forced standup.

inb4 'david what are you doing on the falcon boards'

Different characters have different jab power ... reason why jab reset with Jiggs is so busted and why Falcon's jab blows (although he's so tall you can only hit the bounce anyways -_-)

So yeah, entirely irrelevant Kuo

 

[oukd]

lol my b >_< although wouldn't the same thing apply? just at different %'s unless idk it's too strong at any %

 

[CrossfadingRage]

http://cheezburger.com/6162028032

This is why you knee.

 

[It's me Q]

http://cheezburger.com/6162028032

This is why you knee.

Falcon > Doc

 

[Wenbobular]

lol my b >_< although wouldn't the same thing apply? just at different %'s unless idk it's too strong at any %

Pretty sure Falcon is just too manly to jab reset anybody

 

[Wizzrobe]

http://cheezburger.com/6162028032

This is why you knee.

This is also why Falcon does not need to go to the doctors.

 

[tarheeljks]

falcon can't jab reset? or are you saying it's just easier to sdi out of or w/e

 

[oukd]

he can, just that they also have the option to roll/getup attack out of it. most people aren't prepared to react with an option though.

 

[Wenbobular]

Then they suck at reacting because there's nothing Falcon can do after a stomp that slams you into the ground (the only time Falcon can actually hit someone lying down with his jab)

So yeah pretty useless IMO but good vs people who are bad haha
At least it forces some kind of reaction, so if you jab them you can probably dashdance and cover most of their options ... but they can still getup attack out of it if they're good

 

[Deleted member]

who cares if they get-up attack

 

[Wenbobular]

After you jab someone lying on the ground I think the option they're least likely to do is getup attack because you actually have to hit A instead of just holding a direction

Of course it's also possible I don't play any Foxes who are good at mixing up their option after getting jabbed on the ground but I think it's hard to not get hit by getup attack while covering all their roll options unless you have good reaction

 

[Deleted member]

i have pretty bad reaction times and its easy

 

[crush]

The key is to fight a character that has such a bad recovery, he has no choice but to run into your punch.

he

are u implying that women have better recoveries? this aint 1920 bro. this aint nazi mexico. please keep the talking, texting, and sexism to a minimum. this game is rated T for Teen, but there are 12 year olds trolling on this website, so hide ur kids, hide ur wife, and hide ur husband, cuz sexism is out there

 

[$mike]

Raptor boost combos into raptor boost and that's all you really need, just infinite raptor boosts.

qft

[shoutouts]

 

[Claire Diviner]

I say you should just finish the combo with whatever is easier and more efficient. If you want to be more flashy, then the Knee is a good option for showing off, but unless it's the only option, just go with Fsmash if using it is easier and requires less thought. That's what I believe anyway.

 

[Wizzrobe]

I say you should just finish the combo with whatever is easier and more efficient. If you want to be more flashy, then the Knee is a good option for showing off, but unless it's the only option, just go with Fsmash if using it is easier and requires less thought. That's what I believe anyway.

I'm the opposite, I barely use F-smash compared to knee for a finisher. For me, a f-smash would be more flashy lol. Knee is also used a lot more for finishers and in general so I see f-smash as being more flashy.

 

[Claire Diviner]

I'm the opposite, I barely use F-smash compared to knee for a finisher. For me, a f-smash would be more flashy lol. Knee is also used a lot more for finishers and in general so I see f-smash as being more flashy.

I suppose how flashy a move can be is in the eye of the beholder. As overrated or overused the Knee may or may not be, I can't help but love that rewarding impact it gives off. Of course, no combo has no rewarding a finisher as a Falcon Punch... but I digress. Moving on...

 

[Windrose]

I say you should just finish the combo with whatever is easier and more efficient. If you want to be more flashy, then the Knee is a good option for showing off, but unless it's the only option, just go with Fsmash if using it is easier and requires less thought. That's what I believe anyway.

wtf

Translation:

"If f-smash better use f-smash, if knee is better use knee...i dunno cuz i play brawl"