Meteor!
Smash Journeyman
I've heard many say that this level should be banned, but IMO it sounds just like the johns I heard about Melee's Battlefield. I'm thinking Neutral now, but a compelling argument could change my mind.
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Frigate Orpheon: Neutral or not?
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RedMage8BT
Smash Lord
CP, not neutral. It's too erratic to be neutral. The stage flip disrupts combat.
Meteor!
Smash Journeyman
Needs more votes!
Darkpaladin of Chaos
Smash Lord
I don't think it does any more than Dreamland 64's tree did.
Locke66
Smash Cadet
it's pretty obvious when the flip is going to happen, esp. with the sirens and things. I agree with darkpaladin... seems like it should be neutral to me.
specialsauce
Smash Journeyman
the flip isnt a big deal and its not like its unfair to one person since its happening to both people on the stage.
Grining_Ghoul
Smash Apprentice
I haven't seen this stage or at least I don't think I have...where can I go to see it?
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ChewyChase
Smash Cadet
I'm siding with neutral, but I can see why people say it'll be counterpick.
Let's compare it to Dreamland 64, it blows wind on one side of the stage at a time, which may or may not affect all people. Everyone CAN potentially be affected.
This stage, it is even more likely because, unlike Dreamland, it TELLS you when it's going to flip, and it ALWAYS hit everyone.
Should be neutral, no different than Dreamland 64 in Melee.
Let's compare it to Dreamland 64, it blows wind on one side of the stage at a time, which may or may not affect all people. Everyone CAN potentially be affected.
This stage, it is even more likely because, unlike Dreamland, it TELLS you when it's going to flip, and it ALWAYS hit everyone.
Should be neutral, no different than Dreamland 64 in Melee.
iron blade
Smash Ace
It's pretty neutral. It gives a clear warning when it's going to flip, and it affects everyone.
hippochinfat!!
Smash Lord
Neutral. The most the flip will do is put a tiny tiny bit off the stage. Plus there's a warning signal!
S623
Smash Apprentice
Neutral. It's impossible to die, since it'll (at most) displace where you are, unless you're not trying to recover.
Endless Nightmares
Smash Master
Counterpick. I've seen people die during the flip lol
Turbo Ether
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The flip is a random, forced interruption. Completely changes the momentum of an exchange, neutral stages don't do this. Pre-flip, The right side of the stage can't be edge grabbed at all. Counterpick.
Droly
Smash Ace
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO NOT DIE IS JUMP... the most it flips is twice during a match this is neutral like stadium is neutral in melee
Turbo Ether
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Edit: Nvm
10 char
The Alpha Gundam
Smash Champion
i want to say neutral but tourneys will need to experiment with it more before there is a final say on it. just my 2cents
Certainly seems neutral to me; it's easily less disruptive than the stage changes on Pokemon Stadium (Melee), which we got along with just fine. It's a very dynamic change, by it's not erratic or advantage inducing. A few people will die a few times getting used to it, but that applies to every stage. Heck, people still die to the ledges in Melee's Battlefield after years of practice.
Hellbeing
Smash Journeyman
Umm, wich is frigate orpheon?
Hellbeing
Smash Journeyman
nvm i got it
hippochinfat!!
Smash Lord
We should ban Pokemon stadium then!
Rhubarbo
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhtPSPm1gjc (look at 1:00 I believe.)
It's going to be a counter pick.
It's going to be a counter pick.
Rhubarbo
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Look at the video I posted. If you are recovering during the flip, you are left to fall to your doom.
icraq
Smash Lord
Counter pick FOR SURE.
If you're recovering, and the siren starts to go off, you might not be able to make it back in time, and the stage WILL kill you. That's ********. The wind in Dreamland never killed anyone.
And this does happen, not in every match, but occasionally enough to keep it a counter pick.
If you're recovering, and the siren starts to go off, you might not be able to make it back in time, and the stage WILL kill you. That's ********. The wind in Dreamland never killed anyone.
And this does happen, not in every match, but occasionally enough to keep it a counter pick.
Meteor!
Smash Journeyman
That was entirely Ganondorf's fault. He moved under the stage before using his up-b.
Most characters could stall their recovery to keep themselves alive should the alarm go off. I'm going to test this level out with characters who have limited recovery options like Mario to see how they fare.
Endless Nightmares
Smash Master
lol, No Johns, that was not Ganon's fault that he died.
joenopride
Smash Journeyman
I like CP on it. It can kill people.
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ThunderHero
Smash Apprentice
Cant Mario cap stall? Cause in melee I know he could get a few extra seconds/a little more distance from caping before the ^b
Endless Nightmares
Smash Master
That is true, every person I saw die during the flip had never played on the stage before. It was more of a shock thing I guess.
I'm sure they expected it if they played on it again.Lovage 805
Smash Champion
i love this stage as a stage, but one problem I see is some characters die if they get under the flip, some don't, if a pit, metaknight,dedede, etc grabs you when you the alarm rings, you die, they live with their too good recovery.
I say counterpick
I say counterpick
I think that was more of a mistake Shin made if anything.
Percon
Smash Lord
Interesting thing happened the other day...
Me and my friend were RIGHT next to each other, though he was on the ground and I just shorthopped (may have been the other way around... ah, who cares). Stage flips. He's in almost the exact same spot. I'm in the top left corner of the screen. 0_0
Doesn't mean too much... I think.
Me and my friend were RIGHT next to each other, though he was on the ground and I just shorthopped (may have been the other way around... ah, who cares). Stage flips. He's in almost the exact same spot. I'm in the top left corner of the screen. 0_0
Doesn't mean too much... I think.
Wyvern
Smash Journeyman
In my experience, the stage flipping isn't obstructive to the battle at all. It takes a fraction of the second, it doesn't affect you at all if you're in the air, and even if you're standing on the stage at the time, all it does is shove you off to the side a little bit (where you couldn't possibly fail to recover if you're paying attention). I don't think I've ever seen it kill anybody except people who have never played on the stage before and forgot to recover after falling off the flipping stage. So that doesn't seem like much of an argument for making it non-neutral.
There might be another problem, though. I saw a round on it the other day where an Olimar player got knocked off to the right on the asymmetrical version (that's the side with the platform that rises up and down). The platform was up at the time and he was coming up to the edge from underneath. He used the up-B and it didn't home onto the ledge at all, and he died. The chain was plenty long enough--it actually reached past the edge--but it refused to target it. That ledge probably has some kind of unusual mechanics, since when the moving platform is at its lowest point, it's completely level with the stage and the edge disappears. I'm not sure exactly what its properties are, though. Does it only affect tether recoveries? Is it just completely ungrabbable to everyone?
There might be another problem, though. I saw a round on it the other day where an Olimar player got knocked off to the right on the asymmetrical version (that's the side with the platform that rises up and down). The platform was up at the time and he was coming up to the edge from underneath. He used the up-B and it didn't home onto the ledge at all, and he died. The chain was plenty long enough--it actually reached past the edge--but it refused to target it. That ledge probably has some kind of unusual mechanics, since when the moving platform is at its lowest point, it's completely level with the stage and the edge disappears. I'm not sure exactly what its properties are, though. Does it only affect tether recoveries? Is it just completely ungrabbable to everyone?
... The Dojo.
Meteor!
Smash Journeyman
There's nothing to grab on that side of the stage.
freetyme
Smash Cadet
One of my favorite stages (though I sadly haven't been able to play yet, just based on what I've seen). I don't see anything that would make it not "neutral". The flip is ridiculously fast. It's nothing like Spear Pillar (another one of my favorite stages) or Norfair because it's not super destructive and it affects everyone. This, of course, is just what I infer from videos.