Social "Friends being fought for!" Ike General Discussion

[Xuan Wu]

Bowser's looking to be a rather formidable opponent in this Smash. Back in SSBB's competitive environment, Ike and Bowser came even in match-up, if I recall correctly; this time, however, assuming that Bowser maintains his E3 build and that Ike plays very similarly to his SSBB counterpart, Bowser would have definitely outperformed him. Of course, we have to wait to see how the final build of the game turns out, as well as full gameplay footage showing any new properties Ike may have been given in his moveset to make a full analysis. Dang! Now I'm even more anxious to see how Ike turns out in this one!

I do not normally look for patterns, but I can't help but notice how buffed heavyweights like Bowser and DK had become, and maybe Charizard, too. If these characters can be made to be faster, then it's definitely possible for Ike to be as well. As A_Phoenix_Down mentioned, Ike's moveset will have to be significantly buffed if he's going to keep up with the competition. There several other variables to consider, though, such as how buffed or nerfed the other characters have become, and how the new physics engine will impact him.

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[san.]

I don't think his moveset really needs to be buffed at all to remain relevant. All of his aerials would hold their own. Slow tilts and poor B moves are really all the needs to be addressed, especially with the improved ground game options. The biggest problem with Ike in Brawl was the global defensive options with air dodge, shield, etc. gave him problems, and all of those are easier to deal with now. I think Bowser is laughably easy in Brawl, but then again, there were no good Bowsers. Theoretically, though, he has some good options against Ike and can hold his own.

It was a joy to see some Bowser action on the 3DS but it's hard to say anything definite at the moment. People have yet to put into action the string/moveset potential of any character all that much.

 

[Xuan Wu]

The Ike community prospering in the Brawl era was largely due to your efforts, san, especially with Apex 2010. Many other players were inspired to main Ike, including myself. Do you intend to main him as you did in SSBB? It would be nice to hear from you in the competitive scene again.

About Ike's moveset not needing any buffs for the next game, I hope you're right. As for the new physics of this Smash, I'm fairly certain he will adapt, especially if he retains his godly Jab from the previous; more hitstun along with less SDI would make it even deadlier.

 

[link and ike lover]

Maybe... I've always switched around between Marth and Ike in Brawl. Ike definitely needs a huge improvement, especially with what I saw from Bowser in that Tournament a few hours ago. Marth's continuing to look even more terrible every time I see him in this game so maybe I'll completely main Ike this time! :D

Let's just hope we get some news for Ike soon... something that shows improvement too!

If your a talented Ike player. I bet every single one of us are. Anything is possible if your a great player. And we can take any character down!

@ san. I totaly agree with you! Yes I dont wanna see Ikes moveset change it was perfect. And Bowser finally is good in Smash 4! Bowser wasn't good nor he wasn't bad. And those people who were very good with bowser in ssbb, People beware because now bowser will give no syphany. Actually there were great Bowser mains.
@ Xuan Wu His jab was great Sakurai needs to leave his jab lock!

 

[A_Phoenix_Down]

I don't think his moveset really needs to be buffed at all to remain relevant. All of his aerials would hold their own. Slow tilts and poor B moves are really all the needs to be addressed, especially with the improved ground game options. The biggest problem with Ike in Brawl was the global defensive options with air dodge, shield, etc. gave him problems, and all of those are easier to deal with now. I think Bowser is laughably easy in Brawl, but then again, there were no good Bowsers. Theoretically, though, he has some good options against Ike and can hold his own.

It was a joy to see some Bowser action on the 3DS but it's hard to say anything definite at the moment. People have yet to put into action the string/moveset potential of any character all that much.

Yes I absolutely love Ike's attacks, except for maybe his forward smash. I think a slightly quicker 1 handed strong looking down slash would definitely show his strength. His brawl forward smash bugged me cus the look of it struck me as if Ike couldn't handle the sword. But in general I think his moves should be executed a little faster. In brawl, he was unfortunately slow attacking and had slow mobility. Higher attack speed is the only improvement I feel he needs to move up the placements.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

You know Sakurai, those muscles aren't just for show. You should really show Ike actually fighting for his friends for once.

 

[SmashBroski]

Heh, not entirely Smash-related but I had a dream the other day where I was playing Awakening and I checked Ike's stats at the bottom screen and it said, "Wife: Elincia".

We all know how that turned out. *cries in a corner*

 

[gsninja]

Slow tilts and poor B moves are really all the needs to be addressed, especially with the improved ground game options.

Goddamn, this. I would kill for a quick FTilt and UTilt with Ike.

 

[Ussi]

Utilt was fine start up wise..

I hate Ike's ftilt.. Mainly cause i'm trying to outspace but quick short range moves hit me out of it cause Ike extends his arms forward before the hitbox comes out...


Here's to hoping MK doesn't shut down Ike again.

 

[AustarusIV]

I'm looking forward to using Ike this time around. He was good in Brawl, but here? He looks even more of a badass than he did before, with his Radiant Dawn outfit and the stern, fearless look on his face.

Heh, not entirely Smash-related but I had a dream the other day where I was playing Awakening and I checked Ike's stats at the bottom screen and it said, "Wife: Elincia".

We all know how that turned out. *cries in a corner*

I'm sure he found some nice, generic villager maiden to find comfort with over the mutilation of supports in his last game. Priam had to come into existence somehow.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'm totally having as a secondary.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

So, recently tried out Brawl again... the characters who I mained before taking a break from it feel a bit too slow at KOing people, but I've been liking Ike a lot more because of how he can quickly rack up damage and KO with Eruption.
So yeah, kind of excited to try him out in Sm4sh

 

[Skyblade12]

You know Sakurai, those muscles aren't just for show. You should really show Ike actually fighting for his friends for once.

Is anyone else worried that his catchphrase may not survive into Smash 4?

 

[Hong]

Is anyone else worried that his catchphrase may not survive into Smash 4?

As an actual fan of the character from his source material, I hope not. It doesn't really suit him.

 

[Xuan Wu]

Is anyone else worried that his catchphrase may not survive into Smash 4?

I guess it's an okay catchphrase, and I wouldn't mind it returning. At least it doesn't conflict with his personality as much as "You'll get no sympathy from me!"

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[GOofyGV]

what do you guys think about his voice?
I believe his voice in Radiant Dawn is not the same one as it is in Path of Radiance.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

what do you guys think about his voice?
I believe his voice in Radiant Dawn is not the same one as it is in Path of Radiance.

It's the same voice actor, Jason Adkins, but he did sound more "older" in Radiant Dawn, at least. Kind of like how Solid Snake as Old Snake sounds older, but is still David Hayter.

Is anyone else worried that his catchphrase may not survive into Smash 4?

With all the memes of it, I'm thinking it will stay.

 

[GOofyGV]

It's the same voice actor, Jason Adkins, but he did sound more "older" in Radiant Dawn, at least. Kind of like how Solid Snake as Old Snake sounds older, but is still David Hayter.

With all the memes of it, I'm thinking it will stay.

yeah I knew it was kind of different but couldn't quite put my finger on it. Thanks for pointing that out!

 

[Sol0ke]

During the JP direct, I saw two things about Ike

-it looks like QuickDraw SLIGHLY has less lag when it hits (or I'm blind)
-Great aether returns, now with blue flames

 

[wizardto1]

During the JP direct, I saw two things about Ike

-it looks like QuickDraw SLIGHLY has less lag when it hits (or I'm blind)
-Great aether returns, now with blue flames

Really, cause I saw red flames.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Really, cause I saw red flames.

Go to the 5:00 and you'll see...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omeOylQYkuU

 

[wizardto1]

Go to the 5:00 and you'll see...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omeOylQYkuU

Oh I see. I thought it was red because of the trail.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

I'm thinking Isaac might be a Assist Trophy again.

However we still have Ike to fight for his friend, Isaac.

NO, ISAAC!!!!

I will fight for my friend, Isaac!

 

[san.]

Where did Ike use Quick Draw?

 

[Sol0ke]

Around 1:20, at Giga Bowser.

 

[Evello]

Yeah, Great Aether definitely has blue flames, but Ike's sword sword is gold and it looks like it might be glowing a little orange, which makes the whole attack appear a little reddish, despite the flames definitely being blue.

 

[gsninja]

I'm thinking Isaac might be a Assist Trophy again.

However we still have Ike to fight for his friend, Isaac.

NO, ISAAC!!!!

I will fight for my friend, Isaac!

Yeah, I've given up hope for Isaac at this point. I only wanted three things out of Smash 4: Ike's return, Toon Link getting cut, and--most of all--Isaac's inclusion.

I guess 1/3 is good enough.

 

[Sol0ke]

May I note that Ike's sword sound in Robin's trailer sounds like a more awesome telephone pole

 

[Deleted member]

I just noticed that Ike's Smash 4 icon, , has a nice easter egg in the way you post it through text only Final Destination +4myfriends: except the + is a : Stay classy Smashboards

 

[BSL]

That is pretty cool.

I can't wait to play IkeMuscles

 

[ZiggaWaTT]

I know its already been confirmed but seeing Ike's blue eruption for the first time myself on Shofu's stream made me so happy :D

 

[Daniee]

Ike's new sound effects SUCK. Compared to Brawl, his attacks sound so weak and non-threatening when they land, and there's no audible *WOOSH* sound when he whiffs one.

I'm sad. Ike's sound effects in Brawl sounded so good and really contributed to my enjoyment of the character.

 

[ZiggaWaTT]

For real? No more tree trunk sword sound effects? Im salty

 

[SirRob]

I dunno if we already knew this, but from the Treehouse stream you can hear Ike's English voice is recycled from Brawl. ...Which means he'll still be fighting for his friends.

 

[gsninja]

Man, performing aerials is weird when you've been conditioned to C-stick them. This demo's great though.

 

[link and ike lover]

Ike is godlike cant wait to play him!!! We Ike mains gonna show how much symphony we wont give. They will be begging for mecry.
And we are all like

Edit: watch this http://youtu.be/EL7HabeCjOY

 

[Xuan Wu]

It's a Fire Emblem battle royale! ^-^

 

[link and ike lover]

It's a Fire Emblem battle royale! ^-^

I was focusing all Ike. Seems to have the same move set

 

[NT 3000]

I've watched some streamers play him he is almost identical. Run speed is a bit faster and some moves come out slightly quicker. Side not he still goes into free fall animation after aide B in the air which isn't fair because fox and falco can both jump at the end of there side B animations now....

 

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The following threads still need to be made:

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