Frame Speeds to add after new engine

[shanus]

We basically are at our limit for frame speed given that we have idle animation bugs running rampant. Please post your frame speed additions you would like to add into a set so we can compile them with the new frame speed engine when it is debugged

 

[Shell]

A bunch of small / situational, but useful tweaks to Ganondorf that should get him gold in addition to the final fixed choke.

CAM -- if previous action is shield and current action grab, replace with dash grab. Useless without Dash Grab speed mod below.
1400001B 00340036

Frame Speed:
140B0036 3F8CCCCD
14000036 3FB00000

Dash Grab: 135% startup (hits frame 8-9 from 11-12), then 110% speed (ends 31 from 37).


SH Bair DJ
14148064 40000000

SH Uair DJ
14148065 40000000

200% faster cooldown on frame 20. Bair ends 28 from 35, Uair ends 27 from 33. I might be able to tighten this up a bit.


14078062 3F800000
14008062 3FE00000

Nair startup 175% faster until hit on frame 7, then 100% speed. (Hits frame 4 from 7).

Nair doesn't have too much purpose right now. This makes it a situational GTFO aerial move, but still not anything special.

 

[storm92]

KirbyNair-- Start-up hitbox at frame 5, after that 1x

05068062 3F800000
05018062 3FE66666

This was originally part of the Nair buff/Fsmash nerf package, but we didn't have the space to fit it in.

 

[shanus]

Pivot Grab and Dash Grab speed ups. Did anyone make these?

 

[VietGeek]

For the tether users? Or for everyone?

If it's tethers I could, just post the IDs up here to confirm (IIRC it's the next two IDs on standing grab <_<).

 

[Yeroc]

ZSS Grab (minor tweak) and Pivot grab (more moderate tweak) initial values (needs quick test)
18140034 3FC00000 (1.5 frame 20)
18100038 3FF00000 (1.875 frame 16)

 

[Blank Mauser]

This was originally part of the Nair buff/Fsmash nerf package, but we didn't have the space to fit it in.

Can we please rediscuss this change? I've already made a few posts about it in the Kirby topic that nobodies bothered to comment on.

Also, Sonic Usmash Speed-up:

2F200032 40400000
2F0D0032 40000000

 

[goodoldganon]

Can we please rediscuss this change? I've already made a few posts about it in the Kirby topic that nobodies bothered to comment on.

Glad to be seen as a nobody...jerk.

Anyway, let me see if I can dig up that Captain Falcon D-tilt buff I posted a while back. Not sure he needs it or if we want it, but whatever.

EDIT: Found em

090F0029 3FA66666
0916002C 3F99999A

Falcon d-tilt 30% faster after frame 15
and falcon f-smash 20% after frame 22

Also, by request of the Sonic mains.

2F098064 3F800000
2F008064 3FA66666

B-air is 30% faster till frame 9, then returns to normal speed.

OLD FRAME DATA
-Bair
Hitbox comes out on: 13
Duration: 13-16
Ends:Frame: 37

NEW FRAME DATA
-B-air
Hitbox comes out on: 9
Duration: 9-12
Ends Frame: 34

 

[Blank Mauser]

Glad to be seen as a nobody...jerk.

Anyway, let me see if I can dig up that Captain Falcon D-tilt buff I posted a while back. Not sure he needs it or if we want it, but whatever.

I didn't mean it that way, I meant my latest post. Which hasn't been responded to yet. But if it makes you feel better I can still think of you as a nobody.

 

[VietGeek]

All of these need testing. These are dash/pivot grab speed-ups for anyone who needs them but don't have them yet.

Also for all I know Lucas is the only one with the cool pivot grab...so I sped-up everyone else's but his. =V

Toon Link's Dash/Pivot (10 frames suppose to be cut off so both last 84 frames over orig. 94)

Dash (1.8x on frame 18): 29120036 3FE66666
Pivot (1.9x on frame 19): 29130038 3FF33333
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NOTE: Due to these characters' lack of frame data, I assume the duration of the grab box is 4 frames like TL, and thus speed-up the frame 4 away from the start-up unless stated otherwise.

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Link's Dash/Pivot (10 frames suppose to be cut off so both last 86 frames over orig. 96)

Note: Grab frame data is identical to TL's aside from total duration/winddown.

Dash (1.8x on frame 18): 02120036 3FE66666
Pivot (1.9x on frame 19): 02100038 3FF33333
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Lucas' Dash (no data on winddown)

Note: Used same criteria for his old standing grab change. Speed-up frames 5 frames prior to actual grab box (13 -> 8 for standing grab).

Supposedly the standing grab change is to cut down 5.33-ish frames...if my math is correct. So I aimed for something like that.

Dash (2.1x on frame 11): 1A0B0036 40066666
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Ivysaur's Dash/Pivot (Basically editing with a blindfold =/)

Note: The only data on Ivy's grabs is the start frames, which is frame 13. Duration of the grab box (so I'm assuming it lasts 4 frames) and its overall duration is unknown.

So right now everything is just multiplied on frame 17 by 1.2x. =/

Dash: 1F110036 3F999999
Pivot: 1F110038 3F999999

=V

 

[Shell]

I've been thinking about our approach to tether grabs. Basically, they had slow startup, mid-long range, and paint-drying cooldown. We trimmed off some of the end, balancing some of the risk for the reward, but many tether grabs are still pretty telegraphed due to their startup.

What I'm saying is, it might be worth applying a total, lesser speed up to the entirety of some tether grabs, rather than just shaving off some of the end (or possibly speeding up the beginning and leaving the end vanilla) -- we took a blanket approach, but it might not hurt to go back and look for what really would work best for each character. Now, I realize it was a little premature of me to bring this up before I had any specific characters to investigate in mind, but I just thought I'd get people thinking about it.

 

[JCaesar]

I think we should just speed up tether pivot grabs, a la Oli and Lucas.

 

[slikvik]

For G&W

Dtilt: Comes out on frame 8 instead of 6, 80% speed from frame 16

Chef: Comes out frame 14 instead of 18, ends frame 38 instead of 49

Dtilt
* 12100029 3F4CCCCD
* 12060029 3F800000
* 12000029 3F400000

Chef
* 121B81CE 3FC00000
* 121281CE 3F800000
* 120081CE 3FAAAAAB
* 121B81CF 3FC00000
* 121281CF 3F800000
* 120081CF 3FAAAAAB