Fox sweet spotting BF from below? WTF?

[Bones0]

Never in my life have I seen this. I'm chillin', play a lvl 4 CPU Fox. I knock him off the right side of BF, and he up-Bs right at the ledge and just instantly grabs it. He still had at least half of his up-B distance left, and he didn't just ride into the ceiling or anything. It was EXACTLY like recovering at a downwards angle, except he was going up at around a 60 degree angle. Has anyone ever seen this before, and is there any way to replicate it? (it would obviously be insanely useful if you could do it consistently)

 

[Dan Salvato]

Just a guess, but it's possible that he hit the corner with such precision that instead of hitting the underside of the stage and moving right, he moved a tiny bit down as well, activating his ledge grab. I'd imagine it's a pixel-perfect maneuver that we won't be seeing in matches anytime soon.

 

[ShroudedOne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLdlOpbLkS4#t=1m32s

Like this?

 

[Bones0]

No, that was the end of his up-B.

 

[ShroudedOne]

So, the Fox went downwards towards the ledge, from above it at a 60° angle, or he was below the ledge, and went up at a 60° angle?

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

Bones I need a mspaint image to fully understand what you're trying to say.

You got dis.

 

[Pi]

bones that happen to mee too and i posted about it in the fox boards, apparently it's something that's just one of those things that happens rarely and nobody's been able to explain it

 

[JPOBS]

ya MS paint plz.

 

[Pi]

picture brawl fox ss ub from below the stage
it looks exactly like that

[edit] k nvm brawl **** most of u probably don't remember that game exists

picture fox sweet spotting the ledge from ABOVE
and just mirror that from below

he just latches onto the ledge, it happen to me on BF too, so it's probably BF specific
maybe something similar to CF's weird auto sweet spot, but like bones said w/o riding the ceiling at all

 

[Bones0]

Yeah, exactly what he said. It's mirrored, so if your TV was upside down it would look perfectly normal.

 

[Pi]

also bones from what i remember mine was almost if not exactly a perfect 45 degree angle? was urs?

 

[Dan Salvato]

also bones from what i remember mine was almost if not exactly a perfect 45 degree angle? was urs?

It had to have been. CPU Fox can only use it at 45 degrees.

 

[CableCho57]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKGeUo_MAt4

is it this?

 

[Bones0]

also bones from what i remember mine was almost if not exactly a perfect 45 degree angle? was urs?

I thought it was higher (around 60 degrees), but I can't say for sure. Him grabbing might have made it look like a different angle than it was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKGeUo_MAt4

is it this?

No, read the damned post.

 

[Dan Salvato]

Hey, I just fired up my game and succeeded in doing it while messing around. Took quite a few tries. I'll record it or something.

 

[Mahie]

Could be similar to Falcon's recovery from under the edge on BF, he's got some insta-grab thing as well.

 

[Dan Salvato]

Could be similar to Falcon's recovery from under the edge on BF, he's got some insta-grab thing as well.

I'm pretty sure Falcon only grabs the ledge after his upB expires, meaning it's not the same thing. I could be wrong if I'm misunderstanding.

Again, I think what happens is that Fox hits the corner in such an exact way that the corner pushes him one or two pixels downward, enabling the ledge grab.

 

[Vist]

Here's a closer look as to what actually happened:

 

[Wenbobular]

I'm pretty sure Falcon only grabs the ledge after his upB expires, meaning it's not the same thing. I could be wrong if I'm misunderstanding.

Again, I think what happens is that Fox hits the corner in such an exact way that the corner pushes him one or two pixels downward, enabling the ledge grab.

Falcon has a spot on Battlefield where he can grab the ledge before his up-b is done, Magus explained it somewhere but it was pretty complicated and I don't know where the post is <_< (he also mentioned Fox had a similar thing so that's probably what happened)

Also looooooooooooool

Some detective work, because I'd seen a thread just like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2cOUEL9uic
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=5543959&highlight=Falcon#post5543959

 

[Dan Salvato]

Argh...I did it once while not recording, and now I can't do it again. Must have tried at least a couple hundred times.
Also, I checked out that CF video, and yeah, he moves in such a way that the corner is pushing him downward as he uses upB. Probably one of the most ridiculous mechanics exploits I've seen in this game, haha.

 

[Shadic]

Pretty sure there's a clip of it here.

You know, what the OP was actually posting about.

 

[The Star King]

Pretty sure there's a clip of it here.

You know, what the OP was actually posting about.

Except that's not what he was actually posting about. Can't tell if trolling...

 

[Shadic]

Only slightly.

Mine's a fun clip though.

 

[mers]

The criteria for grabbing the ledge are as follows:

1. Must be in an animation/state in which grabbing is possible
2. Must be within ledgegrab range
3. Must be moving downward

Another thing to note is that Battlefield is slightly thicker just inside of where the ledge is compared to either side of that point.

So if Firefox carries Fox right at the corner, and he is just barely beneath the stage (where you would normally expect him to get caught under the stage and slide along it toward the middle), he can be within ledgegrab range while being forced to move downward by the contours of the stage. That means he'll grab ledge.

It's exactly the same principle as how Falcon's works.

 

[AXE 09]

Just attempted this like 50 times with Fox on BF and no luck
For some reason I want to keep trying just cuz I really really wanna see it lol.
*Continues trying*

 

[Bones0]

I'm gonna master it. Idc what anyone says. XD

Vist, you jelly your character can only recover in 4 directions?

 

[40secondz]

Omg the same thing happened to me just now. Cept I was playing Fox and I upB-ed straight into BF's ledge and I insta-grabbed it. I was leveled with the ledge and I was no more than Marth's Fsmash away from the ledge.

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

Vist delivers.

Bones fails.

 

[Bones0]

Idc if I fail. At least I'm not delivering pizza.

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

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I just said "Vist delivers" and he responded with "At least I'm not delivering pizza!"

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That may be the worst joke of all time.

 

[JPOBS]

Here's a closer look as to what actually happened:

the best thing about this was the way you drew the energy core thing underneath

 

[Sinji]

that was too funny

 

[Bones0]

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I just said "Vist delivers" and he responded with "At least I'm not delivering pizza!"

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That may be the worst joke of all time.

It's not about making good jokes. It's about making a pun. Clearly you've forgotten what MD/VA is all about.

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

It's not about making good jokes. It's about making a pun. Clearly you've forgotten what MD/VA is all about.

That cuts deep Bones.

Some would say...

The jokes on me.

 

[crush]

You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?

 

[ShroudedOne]

You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?

You shouldn't have done that.

 

[crush]

C'mon its my bedtime don't remind me of ben. Im not even gonna bother clicking that link.

 

[a nub]

lmao I remember ppl actually buying into that whole omg haunted mm thing

Also anyone think they can record this glitch? Curious to see how this works

 

[Sinji]

Me two. Curious

 

[flipboi0787]

watching dreamhack uk while baxon vs vanity angel and the commentators brought up lovage angles which brought me to this thread

here is your fox autosweetspot four years later
https://youtu.be/3np0fhMko-4?t=5m57s