Footstool Jump

[_clinton]

So do you think all the Characters will be able to do it?

Or just Mario Characters? (and Kirby)

 

[halfzy]

y do u think only mario characters?

i think everybody should be able to do it

 

[Marth/Falco Pro]

I think everyone should do it, if not, the characters that have are already unbalanced.

 

[Ruffle]

I think it is everyone, but wouldnt it be too easy to Meteor Smash people? I mean ok ya you just jump on them and voila you just spiked him and get an extra jump.

 

[Testament27]

clearly its everyone.... close this thread

 

[jamminjohn]

This seems a little broken but that's probably what people thought about air dodging when SSBM came out.

 

[Ruffle]

Well you can't do anything after air dodging, but the footstool you gain another jump.

 

[Takeshi245]

I think it is everyone, but wouldnt it be too easy to Meteor Smash people? I mean ok ya you just jump on them and voila you just spiked him and get an extra jump.

When you meteor attack someone, it isn't the same as spiking them. Spiking them is slamming an opponent downward with no way of using its jumps to get back unless the hitstun is gone. If you're spiked at mid-high percents off the stage, you're dead. However, meteor attacks can be meteor-cancelled, meaning you can jump out of it so you don't plummet down. In other words, meteor attacks do not equal spikes.

 

[jamminjohn]

I think you have to use your 2nd jump to do the footstool

 

[Takeshi245]

I think you have to use your 2nd jump to do the footstool

From what I see in the Yoshi and Wario picture, you can even use your first jump to do the footstool jump.

 

[darkshy]

Just to say. I think that the footstool jump may be countered in a way just so if I someone big like bowser I'm not screwed.

 

[Kr3w]

yeah it should be everyone

 

[jamminjohn]

No it implies that you have to use your second jump on top of the other character to do the footstool.

 

[Takeshi245]

No it implies that you have to use your second jump on top of the other character to do the footstool.

Ah. I thought you meant something else. Sorry.

 

[_clinton]

Well it would be nice if it is everyone... but why not make it like normal wall jumps?

Only a few people could use them...

I've only seen the Mario Ch. and Kirby (unless I missed a few) use this skill so I though that it might be only open to them...

However it could be given to a few other characters...I see no reason why someone like Fox couldn't do this...

 

[jamminjohn]

No worries.

What I'm worried about is the seemingly considerable lag time while getting stepped on. There better be a way to reduce the lag or what's to stop someone or a team from jumping on top of someone repeatedly with no negative consequences?

If there are more crazy new moves like this in brawl, this is going to be one crazy game. Advantages will be gained and lost so much faster within a match than with SSBM.

 

[Takeshi245]

No worries.

What I'm worried about is the seemingly considerable lag time while getting stepped on. There better be a way to reduce the lag or what's to stop someone or a team from jumping on top of someone repeatedly with no negative consequences?

If there are more crazy new moves like this in brawl, this is going to be one crazy game. Advantages will be gained and lost so much faster within a match than with SSBM.

I don't worry about that as it seems this can be easily punished and is situational. Attacks could eat through it and it requires perfect timing. Oh, and congratulations on becoming a Smash Journeyman.

 

[petre]

it says its a meteor as well, which means you can meteor cancel it. so if anything, the person that just jumped on you is going to get hit by your up+b...unless you cant meteor cancel. then youre screwed.

 

[jamminjohn]

haha thanks. I don't usually post that much.

I hope it's as punishable as you say.

 

[Takeshi245]

it says its a meteor as well, which means you can meteor cancel it. so if anything, the person that just jumped on you is going to get hit by your up+b...unless you cant meteor cancel. then youre screwed.

Exactly what I'm thinking.

 

[jamminjohn]

What about on stage like the wario example?

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

Bouncing with your foe
Use his spine as your springboard
Foostool Jump is Kewl...

 

[maxpower1227]

One thing that would make this addition a lot cooler is if characters like Bowser were immune to it (as long as his spiked shell is facing upward - for instance, if he is ducking).

 

[jamminjohn]

That would be interesting if some characters were immune to it. Good thinking.

What I noticed was that Wario was crouching before yoshi jumped on him. So my question is, does the opponent have to be crouching/crawling?

 

[Takeshi245]

One thing that would make this addition a lot cooler is if characters like Bowser were immune to it (as long as his spiked shell is facing upward - for instance, if he is ducking).

There's that, or the developers could make it so they if a character is footstool jumping, their feet can align where the spikes aren't present. From the looks of it, your idea seems like the one they would pick.

 

[Aeramis]

Yeah, everyone can do it.

 

[Takeshi245]

That would be interesting if some characters were immune to it. Good thinking.

What I noticed was that Wario was crouching before yoshi jumped on him. So my question is, does the opponent have to be crouching/crawling?

I think you can do it at any time whether the opponent in the air or on the ground.

 

[jamminjohn]

Yeah, everyone can do it.

It's pretty risky saying something that definite.

 

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

What we saw from the Nintendo World trailer was a, supposedly, new move, crouching. It's not a new move per say, rather a different way of walking, which might be a new move, or it just might have replaced walking slowly.

Either way, I think the opponent does have to be crawling/crouching to do the Jump, for two reasons:
1) The picture shows Wario crouching/crawling before Yoshi lands on him. If you could Jump off of someone standing, they most likely would've shown it.
2) It says, "uses the spine of the person as the springboard. The only way to be standing on a persons spine would be if they were laying down/crouching/crawling.

 

[Scissors Sir]

Yay another answer to crouch cancelling

I hope...

A character being used as a stool on stage will probably suffer a lot of lag behind this technique.

Which will probably lead to more shield options...

And I agree this can be dealt with somewhat by attacks

Cuz if someone is close enough to step on ur head, they're close enough to eat ur up+b. It will be an interesting technique to see develop over the years but I don't think it will be game breaking

 

[ZorakBane]

So how are ness and mewtwo gonna footstool jump? *******..
they dont have normal jumps, they have the floaty jumps.

 

[CORRUPTiON]

What I noticed was that Wario was crouching before yoshi jumped on him. So my question is, does the opponent have to be crouching/crawling?

Crouch cancel counter counter (; Goodbye annoying peaches.

 

[maxpower1227]

There's that, or the developers could make it so they if a character is footstool jumping, their feet can align where the spikes aren't present. From the looks of it, your idea seems like the one they would pick.

I just think it would be another good character-specific ability, kind of how Link can use his shield to block projectiles. The game needs more of those (still crossing my fingers for Yoshi being able to eat and spit out shells)

 

[Chibirobo]

Of my god,I feel so sorry for every character in the game if Giga Bowser can Footstool Jump....

 

[Takeshi245]

What we saw from the Nintendo World trailer was a, supposedly, new move, crouching. It's not a new move per say, rather a different way of walking, which might be a new move, or it just might have replaced walking slowly.

Either way, I think the opponent does have to be crawling/crouching to do the Jump, for two reasons:
1) The picture shows Wario crouching/crawling before Yoshi lands on him. If you could Jump off of someone standing, they most likely would've shown it.
2) It says, "uses the spine of the person as the springboard. The only way to be standing on a persons spine would be if they were laying down/crouching/crawling.

Didn't think of that. Thanks. Kabyk-Greenmyst.

 

[Matunas]

One thing that no one has mentioned so far is the fact that it specifically says "with perfect timing". I'm imagining it more like the shield reflect currently in SSBM. Unless you can hit it at the absolute perfect time it might not function.

As for having to do it while someone is crouching, I doubt it. Simply the fact that you are capable of doing it while both players are in the air leads me to believe otherwise.

 

[Eaode]

Take the "precise timing" thing with a grain of salt.

"Precise" timing is probably how he'd descrigbe something like teching. So it might not be as precise as you think.

 

[B_Smash07]

what if it were to be relative to the characters weight? like kirby would meteor wum1, but bowser would spike? And of course, mario using it would instantly K.O. just cuz he's a h4x0r(lol jk)

 

[Zodiac]

I think it is everyone, but wouldnt it be too easy to Meteor Smash people? I mean ok ya you just jump on them and voila you just spiked him and get an extra jump.

Spikes are always perfered over meteors but you can still meteor cancel easily.

 

[Professor X]

Your statement about the spine is inaccurate. To compress the spine like a spring, it has to be oriented vertically i.e. standing up. Basic anatomy.