Up admits to be purposely inactive in response to Kary here to form a new opinion.
What's your gotcha? I didn't admit to be purposely inactive, I just said that I was inactive (while still thinking about the game on and off). Saying otherwise (I was active) would be a falsity. You're making assumptions about my motivations again. Unless I said somewhere else that I was being inactive on purpose, but I don't recall saying as such. Unless you're saying that me thinking about the game but not playing was my conscious effort to avoid sitting down at my computer and typing. I just didn't have any time to. But if that's what you refer to by "purposely", then I guess that's true.
Again UP goes out of his way to bring up Pokechu, why? Likely a last ditch attempt on day 2 to still try and protect his mate. Mind you this is also around the time he starts trying to say Chu is possibly scum but doesn’t fully commit to it, focusing on a Kary and GLG team that will then evolve into Kary and Pokechu team.
You've contradicted yourself with your assumption of my motivations. If you recall earlier, you said that I looked bad for telling Pokechu for voting Maven, based on my reaction to the
person who was voting. Now, I'm once again scummy, but it is now due to my interaction with the
person who was being voted? Did I look more townie when Maven flipped town? How does this make me scummy when Pokechu flipped scum?
This aged absolutely poory(Up responding to a pokechu post)
And again how does he go from saying they are probably scum to Town again? Doesn’t add up. He has shown nothing but restraint from full on reading Pokechu scum. That is very telling of his alignment.
I think it is very much clear that I was in the middle of reconsidering my read of Pokechu, while still believing that Z25 was town. GLG was still in the game, and I was still sold on them. So I think that it would be perfectly logical for me to tell the two people arguing, who I might add I did not think that either of them were surely scum at the time, that they were both TvT? Pokechu played a good round, what can I say.
Chu again overly supports UP and then brings back the Pythag Z team.
I can’t see Chu risking scum Pythag like that when it wasn’t looking good for them. Tells me Pythag is likely town.
I agree with this take. There's nothing that I can say is wrong about it. Pokechu does indeed support me, and then moves to the Pythag/Z25, which is clearly wrong in my eyes.
Chu sees Poy as Town and agrees with their reasoning in why no night kill could have happened. But then proceeds to put UP at the top of this list. Implying that Chu would think Up is likely scum but never follows up on this logic. Doesn’t make sense to put a town UP in this slot, but could be a coy Scum Chunkutting Scum Poy here as that’s exactly why they did no night kill and Up could have been the one to do so.
Omfg that's literally the playerlist in order, which is why its 246789. But for the record, I probably would not have no-killed if I were scum. I get that doesn't mean anything for this game, but still.
Chu is on the hot seat here and Up waits a long time before answering even after being tagged. Likely cause he doesn’t know how to properly respond.
Once again you're making assumptions of my motivations that will look positively silly when I flip town. I wasn't anywhere on the site for a couple days I think.
Despite everything Up still refuses to full on change their read to Scum Chu. Very odd behavior for a townie supposedly.
Pokechu correctly stated my role. I also was willing to give the only apparent living PR the benefit of the doubt. Also your push was cheesy. I don't take that back. Still, I was very skeptical of Pokechu's claim, and I think that much was very apparent. There just wasn't any reason for me to immediately chastise that slot. You and I have very different perspectives, because Pokechu wrongly accused you of being the mafia roleblocker, so there was no doubt in your mind that Pokechu must be the other scum. That's the problem with counterclaiming; it reveals the identity of the mafia, which is apparent through the player that is outright lying about either a) their own role which contradicts with another PR, or b) with a fake claim that contradicts what the player knows about their role. In this case, because Pokechu said that you were the mafia roleblocker which you very well knew you weren't, you immediately knew Pokechu was scum. However, this distinction is not immediately obvious to the rest of us. Unless you're assuming that we can read your Role PM or have mastered the fine art of telepathy, which none of us have yet been able to do besides the remaining mafioso.
Now Up has a magic turnaround after being voted in what feels like a supper forced reaction. Also he literally just said this:
However, I do want to support Pokechu because I think this is a cheesy and hasty push based on results that only Pokechu has received, so if they turn out to be true then we will look silly for lynching him
He believed Pokechu could still be town but now there’s a vote on him and he flips. Makes no sense as a natural move or reaction here.
This is a very bad take in my opinion. It is very much not a magic turnaround, and portraying it to be as such is either a purposeful or a subconscious attempt to mislead. Pokechu's claim did not make sense. I thought that you were more townie than Pokechu beforehand. I was willing to chalk up the former to being Ran's style of role, as I couldn't directly prove Pokechu's claim to be false, and the latter is what really swayed me. It became evident that there was 100% guaranteed at least one scum between you and Pokechu, and if I felt better about your slot before hand compared to Pokechu's, then there wasn't any other possibility besides Pokechu being scum and lying. However, I wanted to consider the alternative which was that Pokechu was telling the truth, which would make Z25 certainly the mafia based on the claim. Unless you're saying that I am not allowed to consider any possibilities that don't give you (Z25) the benefit of the doubt, I fail to see how my reaction was unnatural, as it was completely natural to me. I've been pretty casual with Pokechu the whole entire game. Why are you shocked about it now?
Contributes really nothing to the Pokechu debate but thinks this can help him look better if he calls out Chu. This post is a complete opposite view and behavior in the slot prior, that feels as a big turnaround.
It was a callout. It was not a good contribution. I wasn't trying to make a mind blowing contribution here. I have been making (what I view to be "mind blowing") contributions in other posts, but this would be a hasty generalization to assume that this has been all that I've been doing.
Here we have Up trying to draw attention away from Pokechu and On Kary. Trying to push his team that makes no sense and ignoring Pokechu yet again.
No because I would have liked to see more Kary / Pokechu interactions because that is what I was viewing the scumteam to be. I really don't understand how you could interpret anything else because I think it was clear that I thought Pokechu was scum yet I still wanted to here more from Kary who I interpreted to be letting events run their course and scoot under the radar with very limited questions that don't add much value and are rarely followed up on all while Pokechu was the star of the show and it was very clear to me that they were probably scum but I still wanted to have a more productive day besides dwelling on a simple fact of the matter which was that Z25 and Pokechu directly counter claimed so one of them must be scum.
Up goes a lot more in on this ISO, but the fact he does this during the Pokechu battle yesterday, and barely did anything with the previous ISOs feels like a blatant attempt to set up a Kary Mislynch.
This was objectively a worse iso because I didn't call any of Kary's posts explicitly useless, so you had less of a problem liking it. I also have no real idea where your confidence comes from with Kary's towniness because I have directly disproved everything that you have said regarding your confidence, being how Kary of either alignment can make most of the posts that he had made.
But I hate to be on the defensive. The scummiest thing I have done this game is make these last couple posts. But once again I really don't care as long as you make the correct decision by the end of the day.
