Vult Redux
Smash Lord
Soup you mean?Unless you think I'm scum, it doesn't matter right now. Lynch him with me.
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Soup you mean?Unless you think I'm scum, it doesn't matter right now. Lynch him with me.
No, Gheb.Soup you mean?
Why?mac needs to go
Why?soup probably needs to go unless i missed something important
uuugh i'm really not into itNo, Gheb.
mac's reasoning/reads aren't goodWhy?
Why?
this is a concern of mine; see the question i asked him a few posts agoFirst he thinks I'm scummy, then leaning town and then back to "hey guys lynch Gheb with me"
me too!!I'd rather lynch scum.
maybe my zen read isn't but most of mine areI'm willing to buy the latter reasoning I guess but your reads aren't good either.
im pretty sure he has scumhunted?Then explain to me why you're so unwilling to lynch Ryker when he has neither presented good reads nor truly attempted to find scum. That still doesn't add up. Especially since you have Maven, who has done more than Ryker - perhaps insignificantly so but still - as your secondary lynch choice. That adds up to you well enough to happy with your reads? At this point I feel very much justified in calling your reads bad.
I really, really would have liked for you to look at soup deeper.wow there are too many typos I'm sorry guys.
in short bardull is out of his mind but might be town, zen is tentatively still on my good side, gheb is okay but losing points, mac needs to go, soup probably needs to go unless i missed something important, maven i like and dislike simultaneously, ryu bothers me a little bit but could get redemption and also there are bigger fish to fry
Vote: Bardull
Votecount 1.4
Red Ryu
Mars™
Gheb: Red Ryu
Ryker: Bardull
Maven: Ryker
Bardull: Maven, Gheb, Vult Redux, Xivii (L-1)
Xivii:
Soup:
Vult Redux
Not voting:
soup, Mars™
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Mars has replaced Darkpit.
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**= V/LA
With 9 players, it takes 5 votes to lynch
The deadline for Day 1 is September 21, at 11:59 PM.
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I hadn't actually read Bardull's / soup earlier when I made that vote. I like him. I think soup is a scummer still.
To use Vult's words, The infamous post: Gheb calling for a quick hammer. I call this out, but Maven quickly appears in thread and starts attacking me for my Bardull vote.I feel stupidand contagiousfor it but I can't draw anything from the exchanges between soup, Bardull and Zen. It's like a giant, messy circle-jerk of nit-picking irrelevant points in hopes of getting something started but nobody dares to actually put out their neck over a point. Like, you guys should read your own posts froman outsider's position, it's completely ridiculous. Vult honestly isn't helping much either.
My contribution? At this point I honestly just hope that either #HBC | Ryker or Maven89 show up and drop a quick hammah on Bardull. That'd be like 10x more helpful than all this pointless brabbling.
Vote: Gheb
That's the most overtly malicious post that's been made so far. A genuine attempt at a quick lynch and continued attempt to stifle discussion. Gheb is scum.
Current Scum Probability Chart:
Gheb - 85%
Maven - ?
Mars - ?
soup - 55%
Bardull - 53%
Ryker - 45%
Ryu - 20%
Vult - 15 %
I would lynch any of those first three. Ryker should probably be in the null section and Bardull as a town lean, but I'm partially basing those two reads on their relation to Gheb so far.
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soup, I really have no hidden agenda with my questions towards you. Throughout the game, I just want you to address your (apparent) inconsistencies and to address any actions that myself or others might take suspicion of. I want to get a better understanding of you and for my suspicions to be relieved.
Side note: I keep meaning to compliment you on how much you've improved since we've last played. Your posts in general are a lot more cool-headed and analytic. I enjoyed reading your posts in pyp a lot and I'm really glad to be playing with you again.
Does anyone have a problem with Bardull's #64? It seemed perfectly townie to me, his explanation made sense and nothing about it seemed scum. It just looked like a town player explaining his early game RVS and actions to people who were taking it all too seriously. I read him town for it and I'm surprised that Bardull was almost lynched.
Vote: Xivii
Well that's ****ing suspicious, especially considering Bardul was put to L-1 by the vote.
I don't like most of his content in between that vote and the following vote. It seems really small and not very relevant.
And then there is this. Gheb's post is pretty clear to me, he can't read what's going on and wants a flip to help him. Really selfish, sure, but that's Gheb's play most of the time. What I have trouble seeing is why Scum!Gheb or any scum player would openly post that if they were scum. I also have trouble believing Xivii really thinks this is scumGheb, especially not to 85% certainty that he gave him in the following post.
So right now I'm voting Xivii because I hate his recent content. I'm interested in seeing what Vult has to say on this.
Here I just want to show that there was discontent expressed with me putting Bardull at L-1. This is to give added context to Gheb's second line below.Random thoughts before I disappear until Monday:
Zen - Disliked that he put Bardull at L-1, but do like that he backed off.
Maven - Essentially working off one post. Need to see more reads evolve.
Vult - I like him more than most of the thread. Is pushing to move things along.
Bardull - I actually like him, believe it or not. I don't think he's one anything to warrant a lynch.
Mars - Post, bruh. I got nothing.
Gheb - ^
Ruy - I've seen some posting but none of it reads as meaningful.
Soup - IGMEOY. You take a party pooper stance on things and are looking at Bardull who I have no problem with. What are your thoughts on Gheb right now?
Gheb suddenly makes a shift in his tone with regards to lynching Bardull. The "not sure why anybody'd put him at L-1" expresses that the idea of lynching Bardull would be ludicrous.Unvote Vote Red Ryu
Bardull's not a play toDay. Not sure why anybody'd put him at L-1.
More clarification that he does not want Bardull lynched.He's not the play toDay. What more reasoning do you want to hear?
Vult Reduxe said:not sure how i feel about recent posts; I'm not a fan of gheb #97 but I can't say it makes me hate him. ironically it actually does make him look more likely like a partner for Bardull.
.... you genuinely think gheb actually even remotely slightly at all a little bit wanted Burdull lynched??? :V
I got a better understanding of Soup's interactions but no read on him. Dislike Gheb. Like Zen. Ryker looks like catchup mode but his catchup mode seems slightly more town/productive than a scum catchup mode. Nothing on specific on Maven though it looks like we disagree and i guess that's not a good sign.
unvote; vote: gheb
THIS RIGHT HERE.Most of these conclusions - while I don't deny that they're likely accurate - aren't very strong and they fit each player's respective meta enough to make me think that one could've drawn them one way or another in a pretty much any given scenario. Soup often starts off nit-picking in the early game phase hoping to get something going. Oftentimes he gets lynched for it and he also got a bit of suspicion for it this time around. That's pretty null to me. Zen pushing directions also isn't new but I wanna take the opportunity to say that this is not necessarily a good thing. Not that I wanna discourage him but he has a tendency to be wrong on these things and, as in soup'd case, I don't think that's enough to give him pro-town credit for it.
The only somewhat conclusive info I think we got from the whole thing is that Bardull is likely town but that's mostly based on the fact that most of the accusations brought up against him have not been very strong at all.
Given how dominant their menage a trois has been I wanna say that it has been largely a waste of time. Most of the reads I get of from it are null with Bardull leaning null-town. I still think just hammering Bardull would've been worth the risk though apparently I'm the only one who thinks so [and supposedly I tried to "rescue" him and am his scmmbuddy nor or something].
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I will give you credit though for your summary. I feel that post alone has more useful content in it than most of the posts we've had so far [which admittedly include mine].
Not good at the whole "my arguments suck therefore I just pretend to have **** figured out and hope dudes are stupid enough to fall for it"-thingGood at what?
Not good at the whole "my arguments suck therefore I just pretend to have **** figured out and hope dudes are stupid enough to fall for it"-thing
Ok this was funnyVote: maven
I'm gonna flog you. I'm about done with this ****. You and Mac can both eat **** if you want to lynch me over slots that have contributed far less.Well for one I agree with him that Ryker is a very solid play toDay so you're not helping me much with this response. Second I've already questioned your stance on Ryker, which you also haven't responded to - even if I disagreed with Macman on Ryker's case I still wouldn't actually know where you're coming from at all still.
Also why is Ryker a non-option when Maven is a good "second choice" to you? Where's the big difference between them two that makes you OK with Maven going but refusing to lynch Ryker?
What the ****? I've done less than MAVEN? All Maven has done is suck your ****.Case in point: you say Mac and soup have to go because the former has bad reads and the latter hasn't hunted scum. Fine.
Then explain to me why you're so unwilling to lynch Ryker when he has neither presented good reads nor truly attempted to find scum. That still doesn't add up. Especially since you have Maven, who has done more than Ryker - perhaps insignificantly so but still - as your secondary lynch choice. That adds up to you well enough to happy with your reads? At this point I feel very much justified in calling your reads bad.
I get this is what you think and Gheb did saying this to you to support this.He didn't see why Bardull was put to L-1 but since he was he'd rather the guy die and we'd have a flip because all the bantering going on was pointless.
he wrote this when I whined that we missed an opportunity to have a player sit at L-1 and have people react to it.Which is why I specifically asked people to hammer him?
i like his infamous post a lot more when it's framed as adding pressure to get other players to react to the wagon
it's like... i would do that lmao
Here's Gheb's response.uuuuuh so that Bardull's scumbuddy (GHEB) would come to his rescue and we could figure them out and win the game? (i'm an optimist)
Which is why I specifically asked people to hammer him?
So on the one hand I'm scum because I asked people the drop the hammer.
But I'm also his scumbuddy because I supposedly came to his "rescue"?
So which one is it?
Here's the issue that Zen is bringing up: Gheb told me, when I questioned him from a different angle, that he made the comment about wanting the lynch to go through to add pressure to the wagon.
the way I worded it was a facetious way of saying that we get reads from having someone under high pressure. When Gheb said "Which is why I specifically asked people to hammer him?" I took it as him saying that he was supporting that.What? That was in response to you saying he was scum with Bardull, he pointed out that he asked people to hammer Bardull, not that he wanted to force people to respond to it. That's what you said, Gheb didn't say that at all
Am I going crazy or something? If I'm really wrong on this please explain to me like I'm ********, because I don't understand it at all
Did you read the case?Vote: maven
Vult Redux You saying Gheb was his scum buddy was meant to be facetious? Is this correct?the way I worded it was a facetious way of saying that we get reads from having someone under high pressure. When Gheb said "Which is why I specifically asked people to hammer him?" I took it as him saying that he was supporting that.