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[Cdubs1987]

LOL at^.

@ OS if you saying "OMG I claimed cop and no one counterclaimed cop and therefore I MUST BE COP" gets you into end game, I will be furious. I know, if I flip, i'm flipping town. If I don't flip, or when I do flip town, if you somehow make it to endgame after that, simply riding the cop claim, I will punch babies out of anger.

 

[Cdubs1987]

Also

UNVOTE

For those who are not reading thoroughly but still stumble upon this post, I am unvoting OS, because as long as I hammer him, no twilight actions can occur. This means no cover up shenanigans. IF SOME ONE ELSE 'OOPS' HAMMERS HIM IT IS SCUMMY AS BALLS. I will vote him once he is at l-1.

 

[Cdubs1987]

HI FROZEN!!! *waves excitedly*

Also I will be gone until about 4:30 EST, so don't expect anything from me until then.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I hate getting prodded/people *****ing at me for not posting when I freaking declared V/LA from Friday 'till Monday.

W/e though, I'm back and I'm glad we're finally moving forward and not play secrets all day.

Not surprised to see Cdubs coming after me for not getting involved in the him v. OS argument. I know why he thinks I'm scummy for doing that but it's unfortunate that his RL meta of me is backfiring on him because he doesn't have any idea how I play certain roles in forum mafia. Pretty much taking his attack as a null tell.

Anyway, the reason why I didn't comment much on the interaction between you two is because like I said, I figure it was most likely a TvS argument and I didn't want to interfere with you two butting heads, nor did I want to get tied in to one of you and have others reads of me muddled. Furthermore, I wanted that interaction to take its own natural course without either of you knowing my specific opinions on it so that you wouldn't tailor future posts to try to appeal to me and throw off my read. I'd say my distanced approach was pretty successful.

I buy OS's claim over your Cdubs. Pretty much ready to vote you but we can chat for a little bit.

Ok, so you're a 1 shot alignment coroner that you haven't used, you have a passive ability that prevents any "twilight abilities" from being used if you hammer, AND you have another ability that you've been using to visit people at night the past nights? At this point you need to full claim. Power, who you've targetted, and why. You're competing with a cop with a guilty on you and you have already claimed you aren't an informed miller.

Beyond that OS's investigations make perfect sense and explain is flipped read on X1. Him investigating you also makes complete sense with you two being on each other's ***** since D2 and you trying to say he "slipped" by saying he attacked you before the investigation is ********. How did you not think it makes sense for a cop to investigate someone they've been arguing with all day?

Also, wtf @ this: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12272471&postcount=2053

If you were really town, and knew you were going to be lynched, why in the world would you say "lynching me won't confirm anything" if you HAVE A POWER TO PREVENT YOURSELF FROM HAVING YOUR FLIP BLOCKED?! If you actually were town and knew someone was claiming a fake result on you and had the means to ensure that the falsity of the claim was proven upon your lynch, why would you say fear mongering **** like this? Mad scummy.

And what are you getting at here? http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12275433&postcount=2077

A list of fakeclaims? lol wut? When you're provided a fakeclaim, you get just that. One fakeclaim, either in the same role PM or as a separate one depending on the mod. Why in the world would one player get a LIST of roles not in the game? That's ****ing insane. Where in the world did you get this concept of a fake claim list?

You also legitimately believe that there would be no cop in a game this large with multiple no flip roles? Really dude?

Yeah you need to full claim ASAP. No idea what you're trying to stall for.

Other comments:

Ranmaru has gone full ******, holy ****.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12272490&postcount=2055

Not sure how true this is. I haven't specifically kept track of how many uniformed millers we've had here versus informed ones, but I know for a fact that we just recently had an informed miller (it was me) in Rockin's current sleepover game.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12270046&postcount=1938

Holy **** whats up kneejerk info fishing.

What a weird ****ing question to ask someone you allegedly "don't believe". This post is just unbelievably bad.

So much scum seriously. OS needs to not die so we can clean up all this.

 

[Beat!]

Lol, Cdubs with the contradictions.

Keeping dat vote on him.

 

[ranmaru]

I don't understand why would someone target you N1 to allow you use your ability twice N2; that person had to have an incredible town read on you, despite you were the one that reduced D1 lynch to Nich or glg and I think Zen had an overall better town feel around him

This is wrong because he was acting scummy to get nk'd (or receive an action). He stated he wanted me to flip scum to semi-clear himself, which I think was just selfish.

 

[X1-12]

FF take off your blinders. Its getting ridiculous now, and in fact its not that likely there's cop. How many standard roles have you seen this set-up? Does it say in the OP that Xiivi doesn't see the need for standard bread and butter roles? (yes it does) Does OS conveniantly get a guilty just the Day when he's about to die? Would TownOS really fear his town reads (the ones from D1) being taken as cop results? Would OS investigate his strongest Town read? Surely he's arrogant enough to not bother.

@FF: How can you read this from OS and not even question or comment upon his play?

Oh and CDubs? You slipped.

How am I going to ride a fake cop claim to end game if you're lynched and flip town? -_^

You won't flip town and my claim isn't fake. That's how.

He slipped? Thats just not true in any way. What he said isn't a slip, OS is spreading misinformation as though its fact and you don't even comment? (You should be at least commenting imo) and that's nowhere near the first time he's done this game.


@FF:

I know why he thinks I'm scummy for doing that but it's unfortunate that his RL meta of me is backfiring on him because he doesn't have any idea how I play certain roles in forum mafia.

You had no votes on you when you posted this, did you really need to say it?

Why would targeting Zen at this point matter? Furthermore, to quote what was said to me earlier, "If the ability exists for Town, it can exist for Mafia."

Just had a thought. Does it make sense to anyone that CDubs would be voteblocked if he targeted Zen? I understand Nich was, probably because kills take place last in Natural Action Resolution. (AFAIK, correct me if I'm wrong.)

Would Zen's ability voteblock you now that he's dead? I highly doubt it.

If it can, I'll prove that MYSELF by sending the dead man a message.

Raz while a scum coroner could exist, its highly unlikely. Think why would a scumteam need that information? Also check your role PM to see if it says anything about targetting dead players, if not ask Xiivi if you can. If he tells you no then it substantiates CDubs' claim because we can confirm he has a role which allows him to target dead players, and then you can try to hypothesise what role scum could have which benefits them and allows them to do that.

@Raziek: Why haven't you commented on the flavour relating to OS' cop claim. Would his character fit his role?

Re-reading end of D1 to see CDubs reaction when Nich claimed. After that I'll tell you if I support a CDubs fuil claim or not. I probably do

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

FF take off your blinders. Its getting ridiculous now, and in fact its not that likely there's cop. How many standard roles have you seen this set-up? Does it say in the OP that Xiivi doesn't see the need for standard bread and butter roles? (yes it does) Does OS conveniantly get a guilty just the Day when he's about to die? Would TownOS really fear his town reads (the ones from D1) being taken as cop results? Would OS investigate his strongest Town read? Surely he's arrogant enough to not bother.

How many standard roles have I seen in this game? Not many because of all the ****ing non-flips. However, I don't see how just because we have roles like coroner (which isn't exceptionally non standard and makes perfect sense for a game with tons of no flips), reviver, stunner, etc. doesn't at all some how suggest that it is less likely that we have a cop in this game. In fact, as I've previously stated, I think that fact that we have no many no flips (which are exceptionally powerful for anti-town players) is an argument FOR the likelihood that we have a powerful town role, like a cop in a game this large. Like your argument is completely ********. Just because a mod is creative and can use really unique roles doesn't at all mean he wouldn't use good bread and butter ones, ESPECIALLY when you consider for any good mod, game balance comes first and foremost over quirkiness.

OS was about to die? Really? Last time I checked he was being pressured but wasn't a decided on lynch target. Point is, his cop claim makes perfect sense. Someone he has a guilty on was coming after him, deadline was approaching, and it wanted to solidify a scum lynch. As for why he would investigate a town read, of course he ****ing would when A.) Nich's claimed powers, if he were scum, could have had devastating effects on our scum hunting later in the game by falsely precluding certain individuals as being potential scum when the results were fabricated and B.) He KNEW he had a bonus investigation coming up, so even if Nich WASNT his ideal target, he would certainly have better reason to investigate him knowing that he had an extra investigation anyway.

What's your reasoning for thinking he wouldn't investigate Nich? He's arrogant? lol and you're calling ME the one with blinders?

@FF: How can you read this from OS and not even question or comment upon his play?He slipped? Thats just not true in any way. What he said isn't a slip, OS is spreading misinformation as though its fact and you don't even comment? (You should be at least commenting imo) and that's nowhere near the first time he's done this game.

Misinformation? Spreading as fact? What are you smoking dude? Dubs attacked OS with a ******** argument saying that OS was likely NOT a cop for claiming to have investigated him AFTER OS started attacking him. He for whatever reason, actually tried to contend that it was strange for a cop to investigate someone they were pitted against, or that without a guilty on someone it would be strange for a cop to attack someone, both of which are god tier level ****** arguments. What do you mean I didn't comment? I explicitly discussed this callout of Dubs by OS in my previous post? Are you even reading?

@FF: You had no votes on you when you posted this, did you really need to say it?

I need to have pressure on me in the form of votes to explain why someone who is attacking me has the wrong idea? wtfamireading.jpg

It was directed at Cdubs. I said it because I know why he was attacking me and I wanted to to tell him that he was making a mistake. Clearing up misunderstandings is not necessary anymore unless you have tons of pressure on you? Like seriously what are you even trying to assert here. How does it even pertain to you?

If dubs doesn't full claim later today I'm voting him. Deadline is coming up and there's no way in hell we're no lynching here.

 

[X1-12]

@Frozenflame: OS says "CDubs, you slipped" This is NOT TRUE, yet OS states it as it is fact, you do not talk about this in any of the posts since it occurs. Actions like this have occurred from OS throughout the game (Look at when he posts just after Zen claims)

@FF: I was asking you why you felt the necessity when clearing it up just to suddenly drop the fact that you might have a PR

 

[Raziek]

Raz while a scum coroner could exist, its highly unlikely. Think why would a scumteam need that information? Also check your role PM to see if it says anything about targetting dead players, if not ask Xiivi if you can. If he tells you no then it substantiates CDubs' claim because we can confirm he has a role which allows him to target dead players, and then you can try to hypothesise what role scum could have which benefits them and allows them to do that.

My role PM does not specify either way, so I have asked Xiivi if I can or not. Will update as soon as he replies.

@Raziek: Why haven't you commented on the flavour relating to OS' cop claim. Would his character fit his role?

Re-reading end of D1 to see CDubs reaction when Nich claimed. After that I'll tell you if I support a CDubs fuil claim or not. I probably do[/QUOTE]
The reason I didn't comment on OS's claim is because I believe it, which I think I said. At any rate, I didn't come right out and say it because Boyd DOES make sense to me as a cop.

He didn't receive a crap ton of character development, but he was more or less one of the "enforcers" in the Mercenary camp. I can see Cop fitting for him no problem.

At the same time, I'm perturbed by Cdubs' Ena claim. Mercenary Tactician fits Ena perfectly, since she WAS a tactician in the game. However, she was also working with the enemies for a good period of time, and while that likely has little bearing on alignment (no need for alignment assumptions based on character), having mutiple one-shot roles seems rather dubious to me.

Full claim, CDubs, we need to know ALL your abilities. Right now, I find one-shot coroner kind of weird, considering Nich has already claimed that. Your hammer ability seems strange as well. Right now the only flip we have is GLG's, so I need to go see if it was you who hammered.

*checks*

The hammer was Red Ryu or Overswarm, most certainly NOT Cdubs, so your hammer claim cannot be verified at this time.

If you have other abilities, let's hear them.

I will not vote at this second, but I will express FULL intention to vote for you if you don't deliver.

 

[Raziek]

Gah, forgot to preview post. There's an X1 quote in there. -_-

 

[Raziek]

EBWOP 2: I received a reply from Xiivi, my ability CANNOT be used to send a message to a dead player.

 

[X1-12]

@CDubs: Read this post, look at the deadline in the thread title, claim fully, you probably should have done so earlier.

@Raz: Is there are character in FE who fully fits the cop claim? And is there a role which Boyd fits better? E.G Vanilla, which is the kind of character you sound like you are describing tbh. FYI there is also a common role called Jack of all Trades where a player has several one shot abilities. Also you now should probably assume that all standard PRs cannot target dead players, If CDubs can prove his ability by targeting Zen, how do you feel about him?

 

[Raziek]

I figured this would be a helpful way to spend some downtime:

Living Player List:
2. BeatStick
3. Cdubs1987 (Claimed Ena, Mercenary Tactician, abilities 100% unverified.)
4. frozenflame751
5. Ranmaru (Pants-on-head ********)
6. giraffelasergun (Mod- Confirmed VT)
9. Nicholas1024 (Claimed Ike, Mercenary Census Taker & Coroner, Census was roleblocked, Coroner resulted in him being voteblocked. At the least, Coroner is confirmed.)
10. Overswarm (Claimed Boyd, Mercenary Cop. Abilities currently unverified, potentially verifiable on Cdubs lynch.)
11. Rajam
12. Raziek (Ranulf, Mercenary Agent.)
13. Red Ryu
15. X1-12

Dead Player List:
14. Vult Redux (Mist, Mercenary Reviver)
16. Zεη (Claimed Volke, Mercenary Stunner. Confirmed by Nich's voteblocked status. Alignment unconfirmed. Flipped unknown.)
7. Luxor (Flipped ???)

Removed Player List:
1. adumbrodeus (Removed, flipped ???)
8. Nabe (Removed, flipped ???)

 

[Raziek]

@CDubs: Read this post, look at the deadline in the thread title, claim fully, you probably should have done so earlier.

@Raz: Is there are character in FE who fully fits the cop claim? And is there a role which Boyd fits better? E.G Vanilla, which is the kind of character you sound like you are describing tbh. FYI there is also a common role called Jack of all Trades where a player has several one shot abilities. Also you now should probably assume that all standard PRs cannot target dead players, If CDubs can prove his ability by targeting Zen, how do you feel about him?

No character immediately comes to mind that would fit the cop role better.

There are a couple knightly characters like Titania, Oscar, Kieran, Tanith, and Geoffery, that come to mind as possible candidates, but not more likely than Boyd, IMO.

Vanilla Boyd is also plausible, but I see no current reason to disbelieve the cop claim.

I'm aware of the existence of JoaT and how it works.

I'd feel more comfortable with letting CDubs live if we could verifiy his ability, but at the same time, I find his play has made me much less comfortable than OS's, and I think OS is a bad lynch for today.

Knowledge of his other abilities would be good. Depending on which lynch we go with, the other player will likely be roleblocked anyway, so I'd be much more comfortable with lynching CDubs to possibly confirm OS's cop result, which he has already claimed.

Nich's coroner is verified, so how easy would it be for Cdubs to say, "Lol roleblocked!" and get away? On top of that, Nich's Coroner was also one shot, so the ability seems highly redundant to me.

 

[X1-12]

@Raz: in your #2094 read CDubs' entry and read OS' entry, see any bias? Each ability is 'confirmable', or at least just as confirmable as the other. Explain why being a pretty standard Fighter/Warrior class = fits the cop claim or get the bias out your head and re-evaluate the claim, I don't mind which.

confirmability and possible false-confirms:

CDubs could be a scum role which can target dead players.

OS could be a mafia stalker(or similar) with any indy result, or could be mafia bussing with a fake guilty

@Raz: you know how many non-flips there have been? Is it truly surprising that there's multiple roles to counterbalance that?

@Raz: How about this:

Ran Lynch
Cdubs coroner Zen
Doctor protects NOT Cdubs or OS - in case doctor is paranoid and RBs as well as protect, it also means if scum decide to kill one, the other gets cleared/confirmed without us having to lynch one of them.

Worst case scenario: We lynch Ran and then CDubs claims RB'ed toMorrow, we are in the same situation except without Ran, this is not a loss.

Side Note: Its possible even if CDubs is RB'ed he will get voteblocked, Zen only said its those who target him that are VB'd

Who ever I am targeted by during the night is voteblocked the next day. My plan was to draw the NK and then hopefully those smart enough would search the word "stun" for my breadcrumb on what the role does. (Not sure if this is a known role or not or ZV's. I wasn't able to find it on wiki).

 

[Overswarm]

@mod request votecount

 

[Overswarm]

X1, why are you avoiding a lynch on someone I got a guilty on? It literally confirms two townies in the worst case scenario.

 

[X1-12]

Because my way we confirm the Power without Lynching a claimed PR. It also means we may be able to resolve the You v CDubs issue without running the risk of lynching the townie first meaning my plan reduces the risks too.

Ran Lynch
Cdubs coroner Zen
Doctor protects NOT Cdubs or OS - in case doctor is paranoid and RBs as well as protect, it also means if scum decide to kill one, the other gets cleared/confirmed without us having to lynch one of them.

Worst case scenario: We lynch Ran and then CDubs claims RB'ed toMorrow, we are in the same situation except without Ran, this is not a loss.

Side Note: Its possible even if CDubs is RB'ed he will get voteblocked, Zen only said its those who target him that are VB'd

Anyone chime in on this plan please.

 

[Xiivi]

6/11 | 03.02.11 11:59AM EST

votee|voters
X1-12|frozenflame751/

Overswarm|Rajam/X1-12/Ranmaru/

Cdubs1987|BeatStick/Overswarm/Red Ryu/

No Vote|Nicholas1024/giraffelasergun/Raziek/Cdubs1987/

 

[Raziek]

@Raz: in your #2094 read CDubs' entry and read OS' entry, see any bias? Each ability is 'confirmable', or at least just as confirmable as the other. Explain why being a pretty standard Fighter/Warrior class = fits the cop claim or get the bias out your head and re-evaluate the claim, I don't mind which.

I'm aware my post shows some bias, but that'd be because I currently believe Overswarm over Cdubs. That said, I disagree with them having the same level of confirmation. At the very least, OS has already USED his ability (so he claims), so there's no danger of him being roleblocked to prevent a result, should we choose to lynch CDubs.

If we lynch OS and Cdubs gets roleblocked, what happens? We now have no verification of Cdubs ability, and it's VERY possible that OS flips ??? so we don't even see his flip!

confirmability and possible false-confirms:

CDubs could be a scum role which can target dead players.

OS could be a mafia stalker(or similar) with any indy result, or could be mafia bussing with a fake guilty

Noted.

@Raz: you know how many non-flips there have been? Is it truly surprising that there's multiple roles to counterbalance that?

Multiple roles to counterbalance it does not surprise me. Two IDENTICAL roles (they both claimed one-shot coroner & other JoaT abilities) is why I'm skeptical.

@Raz: How about this:

Ran Lynch
Cdubs coroner Zen
Doctor protects NOT Cdubs or OS - in case doctor is paranoid and RBs as well as protect, it also means if scum decide to kill one, the other gets cleared/confirmed without us having to lynch one of them.

Worst case scenario: We lynch Ran and then CDubs claims RB'ed toMorrow, we are in the same situation except without Ran, this is not a loss.

Side Note: Its possible even if CDubs is RB'ed he will get voteblocked, Zen only said its those who target him that are VB'd

I'd be ok with this plan, my only uncertainty is the fact that Ran WANTS to die. I also find it unlikely that Cdubs will be VB'd if he's RB'd. RB is near-top priority, correct? I can't see him getting voteblocked by targetting a dead player that his ability failed to work successfully on.

Need to re-read some stuff first.

 

[Raziek]

Ok, was just re-checking Nich's results from last night. Zen WAS Town, and Nich received an explicit message (and has now been mod-confirmed) that he cannot vote.

... I've got a really bad feeling in my gut that a Ranmaru lynch is the wrong thing to do.

 

[X1-12]

RB would have higher priority under NAR, but the wording Zen used was anyone who 'targets' him, meaning it does not necessarily mean the ability has to work. An Example the tracker in Nightmare Before Christmas Mafia could see who players attempted to visit, regardless of whether they succeeded or not. Either way even if CDubs is not confirmed, we are still in a better position than toDay


Unvote
Vote: Ranmaru

Lynch him
Don't doc CDubs or OS
Cdubs coroner Zen


I suggest we go this way, unless someone points out a flaw in the plan that I've missed. A Ran lynch gives us more information toMorrow and gets rid of Ran. It also may solve the CDubs/OS problem for us.

 

[Raziek]

I need to look at when Ran started acting ******** before I make my decision.

 

[Overswarm]

X1, I have a town result on you and you are still making me think you're scummy.

Let's put this in perspective for you:

We know there's a roleblocker in this game because Nich was roleblocked. The only other exception would be if Nich was lying about his ability and I was insane, which would mean both you and Nich are scum. You know yourself whether that is true or not. So, if you are town, you know that there is a roleblocker.

Now you're saying we lynch Ranmaru, who suddenly started acting bat**** crazy after I called a guilty on CDubs? Why?

Ranmaru is acting like he WANTS to be lynched.

Because there's going to be a Night Kill, and there's going to be a roleblock.

If I'm killed toNight and flip "???, ???", you learn nothing and have to lynch CDubs tomorrow anyways, because he's going to be roleblocked. You know very well that it's only players that visit Zen that will be vote blocked. I find it confusing that you think simply saying "I'm going to target Zen" and then not actually doing your action due to roleblock, which comes first on NAR, would activate the ability.

We have a guilty and two town results. You're idea of lynching Ranmaru puts in the exact same situation tomorrow, except we're down at least one townie.

You haven't even heard what CDubs other abilities are yet.

CDubs is the play for toDay. I don't know why you're protecting CDubs so vehemently, but personally, I'm going to vote for the guy who has a guilty result and has claimed to have multiple one shot abilities and some sort of ability that lets him visit someone every Night in the game.

 

[Raziek]

Finally, I have certain info from last Night, but revealing it would imply me doing a sort of soft claim. And I want to hear first what OS has to say, as well as listen first who is everybody willing to lynch toDay.

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THIS?

@X1:

OS called null Ranmaru since always and now he is saying he is scum

lol at the picture, but probably true

I feel Ran is putting more "emotions" into his posts toDay; Day 1+2 his posts were just a bunch of random, useless and wifoming questions with absolute lack of "passion". Still, I don't see a particular big change or something similar to justify OS' change

Now, looking at OS responses to Ran, it's just that: responses. OS hasn't yet explained why he said toDay Ran is scum

Also it doesn't matter if it's a bus or not, toDay it's very likely OS or Ran, and if it isn't Ran toDay, it will be toMorrow.

OS when are you telling your results? -_-

(After Claim)I don't believe this

Lynch OS

OS who do you believe allowed you to use your ability twice N2?

Would like to hear from everyone about this, specially from Cdubs and FF

I was on the glg lynch because I didn't want No Lynch, and you already reduced it to two options. I always wanted to lynch Ran

Remembering it now, Rajam HAS always been after Ran.

What?

Again, "nice try". Why are you fishing? I'll investigate who I want. It's already been stated that Ranmaru has caught my attention. You're starting to, because your posts look a lot like panic. Who am I going to investigate? That's up to me.

I never asked you who would you investigate. It just would be nice to know next Day that you used your ability in a logical way depending your reads

Currently Ranmaru is on my list due to his recent behavior. Rajam's recent actions have been telling but I'd require a re-read of him to see if anything stuck.

Rajam/X1-12/Ranmaru/Cdubs1987/giraffelasergun

You're town. GLG is town.

CDubs is scum.

I'd believe at least one other on that wagon is scum by sheer numbers unless both abductees are scum, which is doubtful. My current read is on Ranmaru.

I like how your first sentence says "I never asked anything about who you would investigate!" and your second says "I just want to know who you would investigate."

Who I investigate is my own call and it won't necessarily be one of my scum reads. I can just as well investigate someone I'm completely null on and town gains just as much an advantage. I am painfully aware that there is a roleblocker in this game, and I'd rather them have to roleblock me blindly rather than simply make an informed decision.

How, exactly, do you think I'd get a wagon on CDubs going other than straight up claiming?

I simply posted my results in an easy-to-read format after my flip and went on playing the game. Had CDubs posted anything I could attack I would have, but he didn't exactly post much toDay that wasn't primarily anti-OS until I was already at L-1. Getting town into an OMGUS WIFOM situation is not productive.

More importantly, Ran acted scummy. Ignoring that instead of calling him out to push for someone who is confirmed scum is idiotic. The moment I was killed CDubs would be lynched the following day if I posted things like "CDubs is scum" repeatedly, but people probably wouldn't pick up on Ranmaru's post.

One thing I'm interested in is the connection between Rajam/Ranmaru/CDubs. CDubs and Rajam have been fairly distant, and both Rajam and CDubs have pressured Ranmaru but never very hard. I haven't read enough into it to make any solid claims on connections though.

This post is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. Particularly the LAST PARAGRAPH.

For gods sake, can we lynch him already. He's actually admitting to being detrimental ON PURPOSE.

Although I guess we should verify OS's claim first :3

Cdubs it is, then?

Vote: Cdubs

Why did you move onto Cdubs, Beatstick?

No, that is why I asked.

Why did you move onto Cdubs?

So, I got ****ed by weather in Chicago last night, so I'm in an airport at the moment. Quick thoughts + vote.

I believe Overswarm's claim. X1 has been playing pretty town, though I'm somewhat wary about his change in attitude from Day 1 to now. Nich I've believed was Town since Day 2's results.

Ran is being scummy as hell, but lynching him doesn't confirm OS's sanity, just one of his hunches. We may not even get a flip result anyway.

OS has claimed a scum result on Cdubs, I see little reason to not follow this through. Town would be ******** to lynch a claimed cop at this point, so the choice is Ran or Cdubs. Cdubs MAY give a hard result (Barring a ??? flip), Ran won't.

vote: Cdubs

vote: Cdubs

If you're going to claim miller, now is the time.

oh fuuu. My bad. I did skim this lol.

True, now I would have to consider either a Cdubs/OS team, or just a legit cop claim. Again, why didn't you investigate me? Why did you think I was town? (like I care)

@Beat:

Eh, I'm here now. I will play : D

@Raziek:

So why not lynch me first then? Forget Cdubs broski.

*Meaning since I won't give a hard result in raz's eyes, I'd be the better lynch. Then lynch raz for saying that. : ]

Ranmaru started being ******** right after we moved onto Cdubs. Rajam's been close to silent since, and nothing ever came of that information he mentioned.

Lynching Ran is the wrong choice. I think we're looking at some scum connections between Rajam/Ran/Cdubs, as OS had mentioned.

vote: Cdubs.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Os, why didn't you make mention of your guilty read sooner?

 

[giraffelasergun]

and by that I really mean "why did you wait so long to vote cdubs even though you got a guilty read on him and you posted you thought he was scum?"

 

[Raziek]

@GLG:

To quote OS himself:

I like how your first sentence says "I never asked anything about who you would investigate!" and your second says "I just want to know who you would investigate."

Who I investigate is my own call and it won't necessarily be one of my scum reads. I can just as well investigate someone I'm completely null on and town gains just as much an advantage. I am painfully aware that there is a roleblocker in this game, and I'd rather them have to roleblock me blindly rather than simply make an informed decision.

How, exactly, do you think I'd get a wagon on CDubs going other than straight up claiming?

I simply posted my results in an easy-to-read format after my flip and went on playing the game. Had CDubs posted anything I could attack I would have, but he didn't exactly post much toDay that wasn't primarily anti-OS until I was already at L-1. Getting town into an OMGUS WIFOM situation is not productive.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Tomarrow near noon, yeah we need a lynch soon, Cdubs is looking very likely.

 

[Overswarm]

Waiting until noon tomorrow is a mistake.

Put CDubs at L-1, CDubs can hammer himself. If he doesn't, someone else can.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ranmaru started being ******** right after we moved onto Cdubs. Rajam's been close to silent since, and nothing ever came of that information he mentioned.

Lynching Ran is the wrong choice. I think we're looking at some scum connections between Rajam/Ran/Cdubs, as OS had mentioned.

vote: Cdubs.

You know, I mentioned this yesterday and people glanced over it.

*sigh*

Well either way this is the stance I'm taking, I think there may be a connection between Ran and Cdubs at least.

 

[X1-12]

@FF:

@Frozenflame: OS says "CDubs, you slipped" This is NOT TRUE, yet OS states it as it is fact, you do not talk about this in any of the posts since it occurs. Actions like this have occurred from OS throughout the game (Look at when he posts just after Zen claims)

Waiting until noon tomorrow is a mistake.

Put CDubs at L-1, CDubs can hammer himself. If he doesn't, someone else can.

Serisously? Still not have a problem with OS stating his opinion as hard fact?


@all:
Wait until Noon EST tomorrow at least, I will be on from that point until later that evening, likely till 6PM EST when I can hammer if needed. I will hammer before I go if I don't see anyone online who has agreed to hammer and who I trust to follow through with it

 

[X1-12]

also @Raz: You are misinformed about a Raj/Ran potential scumteam, if you re-read you will see Raj has been going real hard for Ran, I didn't realise it until Zen pointed it out to me and I had to re-read. They are not on a scumteam.

 

[Raziek]

I do not think they're ALL scum, but I believe we're looking at a Ran/Cdubs connection at the least, and I'm curious as to why Rajam has laid off of Ran completely as of late, especially now, since he wants to die, would it not make sense for Rajam to press his lynch?

 

[X1-12]

Pretty sure Rajam explained that earlier in the Day when he felt it had to be OS or X1 gone toDay, and then after that OS claimed cop which made quite a bit of difference. Perhaps you should re-read the Day

 

[Cdubs1987]

Hey Raz, quoting your # 2101.

and it's VERY possible that OS flips ??? so we don't even see his flip!

If that happened, you would know I am lying, so you would know I'm a safe lynch. I know because of me ability, as long as I hammer he is garunteed to flip.

 

[Raziek]

And what is your opinion on his "information" that would require him to soft claim? Did that just kind of drop off the face of the earth?

Regardless, Cdubs should be today's lynch, Ran's behaviour makes too much sense as a self-bus attempt.

 

[Raziek]

EBWOP: Previous post was directed at X1.

@Cdubs

And if you're completely bull****ting us? OS is dead, flips unknown, then you die anyway and we lose our possible cop.

Full claim. What are your other abilities? Be SPECIFIC AND DETAILED.

 

[X1-12]

He stated he wasn't going to say it because it would involve soft-claiming - something he understandably doesn't want to do