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You attack me late at Night when I'm gone when suspicion starts to fall on you which was a total 180 from how we had been before that. Then you vote for me. I counter all the points you made and you didn't know what to say back, and you apologized. Then you leave the vote on me, I point it out and you remove it and act all mistaken. --- dies from all of us voting him and you cry out after the day is done to tell everyone that I just had to be mafia because of it, immediately taking back everything you had said.
Then when the Night started going and we spoke you said it was wack for you to think it was me because of White. You ask for quotes to check and you do something really weird when I offer suggestions.
You already knew the name of his character from that day he claimed it.
Which means you were just playing dumb and were only pretending to be asking about using this impossible to prove ability of yours.
Do you really think I can quote my own posts to check? I WISH I could. I literally told you in PMs when I was checking for quotes that I didn't remember if White namedropped Arden in the thread; if it's not in the thread, it's useless.
I cried out you were mafia because you are. You can use process of elimination to vote me but don't get salty when I use it against YOU. I can attack you whenever I please; you really think I remember where you live? If I'm up I'm up and if I got something to post then I got something to post. It don't matter if I did an 180. ANYONE would if they found out the last mafia.
praline
I can factcheck quotes and track someone and find out who they pm'd. I tracked Shiny one night, found out he talked to red, confronted red and posted what red said in this thread the last day phase.
[QUOTE="Pokechu, post: 21907324, member: Holder of the Heel
honestly your response countered every point I brought up and then some
I feel pretty stupid now omg
"I don't want you to be mafia Holder, sorry for this! But GOLLEE my post hit the NAIL ON THE HEAD!!!"
I'm honestly an idiot[/QUOTE]
Why can't you be consistent? Just accept that you messed up dude... You did well for a noobie to push our numbers down so low. Let's end this so we can see your mafia PM, I really want to read it.
Edit: GAH What happened to the formatting of my post! Sigh.
Okay it does not help I am working 2 long shifts tomorrow from 11am to 11pm basically while its already almsot 2am. SO not a of quality sleep or a lot of time throughout the day to think clearly and properly.
The way you acted in our night PM kinda proved to me a theory I thought of based of something i realised early in last night. So whole night trying to stop you.
Here is the theory. SInce i think the only way to find out the mafia now is to have everything in the open. Idk if it was posted in the graveyard or not so maybe you would have read this later anyway.
Yes. It all makes sense. I thought it was praline that did the Xander namedrop but wasn't sure since it was so early. Oppo said the clues have been there / are there just now in the day end message.
Xander in FEH often goes against the villains controlling him. Veronica and the fire guy iirc. Meaning Xander is Mafia Traitor...maybe balancing Swamps OP mafia role. Perhaps that's whypraline or Pokechu let mafia be killed. You blocked Swamp, right? Swamp used up his OP abilities by then.
Just like bomb jailer probably is town side especially since mafia had a nerfed blocker for balance.
Best to trust bomb about no strongman. Xander doesnt sound like a strongman and his magical powers can explain the redirecting. Oppo said magic is everything. It's a move/passive ability that Reinhard has in FEH so clearly a way for the host to add confusion to town, which is described by mafia wiki to act as balance against town. Reinhard could have still been there but it doesn't matter who NSG was anymore.
Now then, this explains why you blocking Pokechu meant that Pokechu claimed he got blocked...and praline redirected bomb to be safe against his kill. She couldn't be sure when the kill happens. Tri could have lied some bits and that was a risk Praline didn't want to take.
Or belived him and pretended to redirect Tri since his ability meant he can't do anything at night as long as Praline doesn't kill him. I'm pretty sure Praline knew Golden was shipping someone and knew who you were roleblocks get. Meaning pretending to redirect --- while in fact, redirecting me so that I cannot protect shish or golden. Idk if praline knew who golden was shipping with. I can't prove If I was redirected because I, stupidly, did not protect golden. Even then would I get a message? It's not like my ability got blocked. And it's possible it got redirected to you anyway who I was protecting making sure you could Roleblock Pokechu, giving Praline the cover for strongman theory as she wasn't the only one blocking.
Praline was also the one iirc who brought up the strongman theory to begin with. (We need to check this) Meaning it was all planned in advance.
Also very very quickly after Opo officially revealed Tri as bomb, praline started a new pm with me and kinda aggressively urged me to Protect her. This was similar to how Red kinda aggressively wanted to know my roles etc. This means she's hoping I do not protect you or pokechu, also getting me on her side for the next day to lynch you or Pokechu this giving Praline the win. It's likely if that's the plan she would try kill you tonight since at day, she saw you were the most clever while me and pokechu were making mistakes and contradictions and continously spreading Swamps recruitment bias. Plus me not protecting you means that she gets a free kill on one of the protective roles and like I said gets me on her side. Depending on what i or we say she can easily just kill Pokechu freely. And still getting me on her side thinking you are the mafia.
Edit Furthermore my suggestion during the day about the mafia traitor was largely ignored and if I questioned that praline or anyone could have said that me myself already crossed out that theory /edit.
Therefore I should try and do the opposite of everything I said with Praline aka try and do her plans. Get u to not Roleblock praline and me to protect Pokechu or Praline. While Pokechu to try and quote anyone but her. While you pretend we are not working together maybe a little but against Pokechu. In the end saying your accepting Pralines decision who to block.
That said, this should be kept a secret from Pokechu. For now. And we attempt to prove him Town. Makes him believable he isn't working with us.
And later:
More points against praline:
That post about mafia reading this like (insert popcorn gif here) making us pschycologicaly overlook praline even more even tho she is the one secretly enjoying the madness. Whether or not that was the intent she was at least trolling XD. I'm tempted to troll praline at day if tonight goes well.
Her snooping ability can be mafia aligned it's similar to the rolecop which is any alignment according to mafia wiki. Instead of directly confirming the role, since she has redirect already for balance purposes she has to figure it out based on extra information revealed from PMs.
Then again the rolecop could be Pokechu. A rolecop strongman is unlikely and nobody has yet blocked praline herself. I think thats why she was in a bit of panic mode when she realised the same thing could happen that she did to me last game. Pokechu might be the balance against Pralines snooping.
If praline gets blocked and a kill happens we can figure out that later. The " if I'm wrong then these are reasons who is mafia" (without having any confirmed info based on the killed person) hypothetical scenarios so far never helped me.
So I'll protect you again tonight. You should Roleblock Praline. This would in turn protect me if I fail and thinks I'm a threat or she is lying about using me. I'll do the same thing I did with Red and slyly make her believe you should be the kill target. I've already did that but said things about Pokechu. Chances are she already wants to kill you anyway. She thinks I'mprotecting her and am on her side so that leaves you as the problem.
I already can add 1- 2 more things to holders list of 3 possibilities as to why noone died. Meaning if praline is not mafia i may have truly costed town the game by not protecting Golden. >.<
I must check who knew about Golden shipping someone. Again a chance even if mafia had no idea, could have decided its likely he will ship someone.
I can totally see everything, mafia. I'm warning you. I must work on something like in the spoiler but against Holder and against Pokechu. Then i'll see which theory makes the most sense.
its possible NSG was reindhard. Its possible he was Xander. Giving 2 possibilities. If xander is alive I think I know who. If reindhard is alive I think I know who but Xander person could be Reindhard just as easy whereas the opposite can't be said about the other person IMO.
I will sleep on this bias thats is giving me a mini - mid-life crisis at an early age and an mentally emotional mental breakdown. XD.
Also I wanted to be protected cause I thought you were mafia and you’d go for me cause I had the redirect and could redirect your kill back at yourself.
Wolfie557
I literally showed you the quote I'm using, I showed you it when I showed you the rest of the ones I picked. Why are you so against voting for Holder when I'm the lie detector? Why would the lie detector choose to lie about their results? I don't understand.
Y'all can make it a tie but I really wanted to live to the end of my first mafia game, especially when I knew who the baddie was two days ago. And you didn't listen to me then either. :^(
Why can't you be consistent? Just accept that you messed up dude... You did well for a noobie to push our numbers down so low. Let's end this so we can see your mafia PM, I really want to read it.
Edit: GAH What happened to the formatting of my post! Sigh.
I was too busy to counter your post, thus continuing the argument. Sure, I was available later, but by that point why does it matter? The whole thread had moved onto other things, including my role.
And if I cranked out that whole wall of text and praline and white still wouldn't believe me? I gave in. They weren't budging. It was best to save the rest I had to say for the next day. Why waste my breath?
And if I was mafia, why would I vote Swamp in the tiebreaker? Why not Tri? I'd already know Tri is a townie and Swamp is on my side.
I was too busy to counter your post, thus continuing the argument. Sure, I was available later, but by that point why does it matter? The whole thread had moved onto other things, including my role.
And if I cranked out that whole wall of text and praline and white still wouldn't believe me? I gave in. They weren't budging. It was best to save the rest I had to say for the next day. Why waste my breath?
And if I was mafia, why would I vote Swamp in the tiebreaker? Why not Tri? I'd already know Tri is a townie and Swamp is on my side.
I can't say it directly because it's against the rules. You wanna find it? Find it. Because I had to have something to check. Lukas hasn't been mentioned very many times. Go ahead, search for it. It won't be hard at all.
praline
that'd be awkward... "hey guys i'm gonna kill you off okay???" wouldn't they do better with 2 experienced mafia instead of me, a newbie, as the only one?
I had defended Swamp, no doubt, I still don't understand what the hell happened with the Ephraim and Eirika stuff, which is partly why I want to see the mafia PM.
But all I said about Red was that him not replying to a message doesn't mean that he had to be mafia... You're going to try and sell that was me fighting for him?
This game after Swamps death has been each of us making little mistakes allowing mafia to be winning.
The spectators must be REALLY enjoying this. In a way I wish I was ded, but also wish to win -.-
So I won't stop trying. It just happens my only day I have a 2 shifter the decisive phase win or lose is on. So trying will be even harder. Wonder how many posts ill have to read and analyse later.
I've never heard of a role like that, but if there is a mafiaso that is different in terms of win condition, it could be the mastermind, who is unknown to the rest of the team but the mafia wants him dead because if he's alive at the end they all lose.
There's also a "minion" role, where it's flat out just a mafiaso but not in the mafia PM, so they have no idea who they need to help, but just that they have to secretly help the town fail and hope the mafia don't end up killing them.
I had defended Swamp, no doubt, I still don't understand what the hell happened with the Ephraim and Eirika stuff, which is partly why I want to see the mafia PM.
But all I said about Red was that him not replying to a message doesn't mean that he had to be mafia... You're going to try and sell that was me fighting for him?
Yes. Because you are mafia. It's the smallest things that make the biggest difference. Just like you revealing your character, so I could factcheck it.
If I had checked you already like praline, and you came up clean? Well duh that evidence wouldn't make sense. But in the sense that you're mafia, of course you'll try to cover for your mates. Unless...
I've never heard of a role like that, but if there is a mafiaso that is different in terms of win condition, it could be the mastermind, who is unknown to the rest of the team but the mafia wants him dead because if he's alive at the end they all lose.
There's also a "minion" role, where it's flat out just a mafiaso but not in the mafia PM, so they have no idea who they need to help, but just that they have to secretly help the town fail and hope the mafia don't end up killing them.
to lynch or to side with? because i already played a crucial part in your plan, and already pointed out how if holder messed up with it by blocking you me praline or golden that it'd be obvious he did it
Yes if I get lynched from this that means White is the only means of stopping kills if you can't redirect anything anymore, which means all Pokechu has to do is kill White and it's over so yeah that could be considered check mate unless Opossum is a stickler for the rules and wants the Night to play out.
to lynch or to side with? because i already played a crucial part in your plan, and already pointed out how if holder messed up with it by blocking you me praline or golden that it'd be obvious he did it
we could just be fighting amongs ourselves, again like last day with great points both sides and praline is mafia.
I think the reason why this is even happening is because WE ARE ALL GREAT PLAYERS YAY. Except me. I killed Golden by not protecting him....assuming praline did not redirect my protecting giving a guranteed golden + someone else kill.
Yes if Pokechu gets lynched from this that means White is the only means of stopping kills if you can't redirect anything anymore, which means all Holder has to do is kill White and it's over so yeah that could be considered check mate unless Opossum is a stickler for the rules and wants the Night to play out.
we could just be fighting amongs ourselves, again like last day with great points both sides and praline is mafia.
I think the reason why this is even happening is because WE ARE ALL GREAT PLAYERS YAY. Except me. I killed Golden by not protecting him....assuming praline did not redirect my protecting giving a guranteed golden + someone else kill.
Trust me. If you vote for me you will lose. I’m not gonna defend myself cause the game is done after this day and there’s no point but I’m being honest. I’m Merric and a townie.
Yes if I get lynched from this that means White is the only means of stopping kills if you can't redirect anything anymore, which means all Pokechu has to do is kill White and it's over so yeah that could be considered check mate unless Opossum is a stickler for the rules and wants the Night to play out.
If I wanted to kill White, wouldn't I have done it on the night of the plan? No one protected him... I could have killed him and blamed it on praline, saying that she's mafia, I checked another quote of hers and it came up suspicious... just like how you protected praline, had white protect you and chose to kill no one so you can frame me as mafia
y'all wanna believe holder when he drops that but yall dont even wanna try looking for the quote when there's literally only 12 results that show up, less than if you put in "posted by Holder"
Trust me. If you vote for me you will lose. I’m not gonna defend myself cause the game is done after this day and there’s no point but I’m being honest. I’m Merric and a townie.
If I wanted to kill White, wouldn't I have done it on the night of the plan? No one protected him... I could have killed him and blamed it on praline, saying that she's mafia, I checked another quote of hers and it came up suspicious... just like how you protected praline, had white protect you and chose to kill no one so you can frame me as mafia
Why wouldn't I have just killed you, then White and I would have lynched praline because we were basically talking about how our minds were made up about her.
Why wouldn't I have just killed you, then White and I would have lynched praline because we were basically talking about how our minds were made up about her.
praline
I can factcheck quotes and track someone and find out who they pm'd. I tracked Shiny one night, found out he talked to red, confronted red and posted what red said in this thread the last day phase.
