Fire Emblem Heroes Mafia - Endgame - MAFIA VICTORY

[Pokechu]

Welp, we both made mistakes that caused Goldens role to not be fully effective. Tho mines worse since it killed 2 non-mafias and Shish was never a threat to us.

Mine is worse! Shiny already proved his role and I still thought he was suspicious for some reason.

I hope that in twelve hours we can all come together to lynch the real mafia. That MIGHT make up for our mess ups

 

[Wolfie557]

Mine is worse! Shiny already proved his role and I still thought he was suspicious for some reason.

I hope that in twelve hours we can all come together to lynch the real mafia. That MIGHT make up for our mess ups

Eh. Golden proved his role by shipping shiny and red.

*Facepalming hard*

 

[Pokechu]

Eh. Golden proved his role by shipping shiny and red.

*Facepalming hard*

Shiny literally proved his role after doing it and saying he was Feh, who's a part of the Order of Heroes. I was stupid lol

 

[---]

In reply to the tags:

My bomb ability kills both me & the one who attacked me (at night, not lynch), it does not go off for any other reason.
My anti-Xander ability only protects myself if I'm targeted by the given player, in which case they are killed and I live on. I can no longer use this ability as I used it Night 2/3.

--- since Pokechu said it already I am a doctor with a "bomb" that works while protecting someone hence Reds death.

Bulletproof/ immune to night actions like rooeblocks was simply a cover to make mafia not kill me.

So I guess my initial suspicions on Night 3 were correct. And by process of elimination I spent most of Night 4 asking Pokechu about your fake claims for nothing.

 

[Pokechu]

In reply to the tags:

My bomb ability kills both me & the one who attacked me (at night, not lynch), it does not go off for any other reason.
My anti-Xander ability only protects myself if I'm targeted by the given player, in which case they are killed and I live on. I can no longer use this ability as I used it Night 2/3.



So I guess my initial suspicions on Night 3 were correct. And by process of elimination I spent most of Night 4 asking Pokechu about your fake claims for nothing.

Yeah... sorry! I wasn't sure if I should have told you his role so I stayed on the safe side last night. I think he said I was the doctor to make the mafia target me since the doctor can be a powerful role. And at the time, you were one of the people we thought was the mafia

 

[Wolfie557]

If we win I dedicate the victory to the fallen, mainly golden and shiny. I thought shiny wasn't the best person to link with but still did not argue against it. Also obviously to whoever is left alive.

I think I have learned a lot, more than when I was the mafia because frankly that is a lot easier.

And heads-up the day/night end might be at a drastically different times in my game. Feel the burn non-UK folks Need to decide the optimal time with my all over the place life schedule so that I have a lot of time everyday to not make host-related mistakes...

 

[Pokechu]

We dedicate this victory to ALL of the fallen! Besides the mafia.

And we dedicate it most importantly to Apollo and Zeb because they knew Swamp was mafia for days while we just found out like yesterday

 

[Pokechu]

And I can't forget @Shishœ with all the fun we had! ;^)

And he too suspected Swamp !

Sorry for leaving you out!

 

[Wolfie557]

Yeah, shishoe helped us a lot when he did not have to. And now he technically lost..

 

[Pokechu]

It's shocking to think that if there's two mafia and we lynch a townie, that's a guaranteed loss. Hmm.

I'm so scared to see where we are a few hours from now.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

WAIT

I think I cracked the code

What if there's only one mafia

but two deaths because of Tharja's ability? Take a look. It says if she skips out on using the hexes for more than one night, she will die. THAT'S why Golden didn't want to be roleblocked.

Golden was the body that was attacked based on the flavor, Shishoe is just mysteriously dead. That means Golden was attacked and linked Shishoe to him.

How did I jail him two nights in a row if I jailed you last Night? Are you really now going to sell to everyone that you didn't get targeted by me after having starting this argument by talking about me doing exactly that?

Or am I misunderstanding something?

So, Golden might have told this, albeit discreetly, to Holder. Holder realizes, blocks Golden for the second night in a row (what proof is there that he jailed Swamp night 3?? besides his own words of course), and uses his mafia kill on Shishoe, so that way neither of the people suspecting him lived to the next day???

No, Golden did not tell me this. Once again, earlier in your posts on me you talk about how Golden didn't trust me, and now you're saying he not only did not tie me with himself, but also told me how to kill him?

I am not following this at all. I can't prove these messages are real, but Golden and I did speak, but very little:

I would simply like to know who you plan on jailkeeping this night.

Was going to go for ---, but perhaps not anymore because someone else is planning something for him as well and I don't want to get in the way. That means instead I might need to just think about who is the most likely one to die. I'd think it would be me right now because I am the only protection in the game, perhaps the only one there ever was. But I can't obstruct myself. You're probably the most likely other than myself if you can really link the fate of two people each Night, since that could cause the last target to just kill themselves.

Do you want coverage or do you want to try and end the game?

I'll go for ending the game if I can.

What's happening to ---?

Praline is trying to end the game as well.

What is Praline doing?

Using her redirecting power, her last use of it. You're not speaking with her?

She hasn't told me of her plan.

This is where I stopped, because the Night was nearly over and if praline wasn't sharing the details, he wasn't going to be hearing it from me.

That's what happens when you're a mafia newbie and you crank out a good one!

Pokechu, that sounds horrible lmao.

But at the same time, you can't say that being psycho-analytical is bad at this stage, and it can't be a coincidence Golden and Shishoe suspected you and were both killed, and that people you defended, Swamp and red, both turned out to be mafia.

You're right, I even told you that I was a good consideration for a lynch because I have been wrong about everything that I pretty much believed. That's why I'm surprised you're only bringing it up now like you just realized it. I've been wrong repeatedly and I can't defend myself.

If you want to lynch me, then just don't forget that we have two functionally similar claims, bomb effects, and the last time two players had the same claims, it was NSG and Aurane, and we're pretty sure now the former was lying, and now we see Red was a blocker and that I can do it too. If you wait to start on that point during the next Day phase though, you'll have to get it right the first time I think because that Night could be checkmate.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Well dammit I type too slow apparently.

 

[Wolfie557]

If there's 2 I hate that if. Swamp was smart it makes lynching the real mafia/s harder.

Still....a strongman who can recruit? Kinda OP even if limited to how many times they can be immune to roleblocks. Even if they can do it again tonight while assuming there's just one mafia then we are ****ed. Even if not but allowed to kill anyway like last game due to loss of godfather we have one chance the next day to lynch the right person.

Oh yh it doesn't matter if they are still immune cos Praline used up both her redirects already. (Which btw is my favourite role now. I love it. The redirects.)

 

[Pokechu]

Holder of the Heel Yeah I honestly got a bit too trigger happy with that "theory".

And it is horrible how my own argument convinced me but hey, what can I say?

And I feel like White is telling the truth because he came up with the whole plan in the first place and without his special ability we wouldn't have killed Red. And I don't think --- could be it because Xander is an obvious choice for the mafia and if there's Xander for mafia, the townies probably have Ryoma.

Come to think of it, we haven't seen a single Fates character here. Odd.

 

[Wolfie557]

Holder of the Heel Yeah I honestly got a bit too trigger happy with that "theory".

And it is horrible how my own argument convinced me but hey, what can I say?

And I feel like White is telling the truth because he came up with the whole plan in the first place and without his special ability we wouldn't have killed Red. And I don't think --- could be it because Xander is an obvious choice for the mafia and if there's Xander for mafia, the townies probably have Ryoma.

Come to think of it, we haven't seen a single Fates character here. Odd.

I don't understand. How does that mean --- is not the mafia? I find things hard to get sometimes only to realise later.

The way I see it, the 2 similar role thing makes sense like holder just explained, meaning holder is town and --- is Mafia as the counterpart to me.

Your link about the mafia being players who haven't been playing last game makes sense too making Holder the mafia, but the flaw is that Golden didnt play last time either. Thus making my one observation point after swamp died that Swamp and Red were chosen as mafia by Opo because they were the hosts...but this truth does not help us now.

If there is one mafia I'm leaning towards ---.
If the recruitment is true, we can worry about that new mafia member during the night for simplicities sake. If we are wrong and we lynch the recruited now we still make progress and the recruiter/strongman is still out there but he can't recruit anymore.

If so Holder needs to either roleblock whoever it is incase they are not immune to blocks anymore or Edit: (once again white, Baka, that would mean I get blocked and can't protect anyone) protect me, so maybe there's a chance I save someone either Pokechu or praline. If that's the plan then if I die that means holder is mafia. If holder kills the one I did not protect instead we can't prove holder is mafia.

I think we should lynch --- and hope we are right and there is no second mafia.

But want to hear --- and pralines thoughts. I think praline is town. Then again if no strongman that means Praline is the alternative mafia since could have simply not redirected anyone, saving the redirect for another night (if they haven't just became vanilla) but like I said we can worry about anyone else later....so take anything I said about potential actions as a note for later...

So for this day I assume Praline is town. (?)

Man, this is so hard to think over

 

[Pokechu]

I don't understand. How does that mean --- is not the mafia? I find things hard to get sometimes only to realise later.

The way I see it, the 2 similar role thing makes sense like holder just explained, meaning holder is town and --- is Mafia as the counterpart to me.

Your link about the mafia being players who haven't been playing last game makes sense too making Holder the mafia, but the flaw is that Golden didnt play last time either. Thus making my one observation point after swamp died that Swamp and Red were chosen as mafia by Opo because they were the hosts...but this truth does not help us now.

If there is one mafia I'm leaning towards ---.
If the recruitment is true, we can worry about that new mafia member during the night for simplicities sake. If we are wrong and we lynch the recruited now we still make progress and the recruiter/strongman is still out there but he can't recruit anymore.

If so Holder needs to either roleblock whoever it is incase they are not immune to blocks anymore or protect me, so maybe there's a chance I save someone either Pokechu or praline. If that's the plan then if I die that means holder is mafia. If holder kills the one I did not protect instead we can't prove holder is mafia.

I think we should lynch --- and hope we are right and there is no second mafia.

But want to hear --- and pralines thoughts. I think praline is town. Then again if no strongman that means they are the alternative mafia but like I said we can worry about anyone else later....so take anything I said about potential actions as a note for later...

So for this day I assume Praline is town. (?)

Man, this is so hard to think over

No problem!

See, it doesn't confirm --- as townie, but on the other hand, why would he, despite ALL seven of us voting for him, still try to say he's a townie and still try to change our minds?

And not only that, but bombs are often town aligned. And you two don't have similar abilities; you have a special shield that kills attackers of the person you protect. --- is claiming to being able to kill whoever killed them (them as in ---) during the night. It's way different from let's say Holder and Red because they both roleblock, plain and simple. Sure, Holder's protects the person too, but it's still way more similar than a vengeance doctor ability and the town bomb. Just my opinion though

And yeah Golden didn't get it but to be fair, he couldn't have it since there's already three mafia and maybe a recruiter. Four mafia and a recruiter would be broken.

I'm still wary of Holder and I'm inclined to believe --- so I'm afraid I won't be moving my vote, especially since the whole walls of text I've posted hit the nail on the head. I don't want anyone of these 5 to be mafia but if I had to pick who I really thought it was, it'd sadly be Holder.

 

[---]

Quick question: Who was the one who targeted Red on Night 2? He mentioned on Day 3 having been visited by someone armored. Was that White or Holder? I'm curious as to which protection ability can be confirmed.

2nd question: How does White's killing ability work?

3rd question: What's Pokechu's character?

 

[Pokechu]

Quick question: Who was the one who targeted Red on Night 2? He mentioned on Day 3 having been visited by someone armored. Was that White or Holder? I'm curious as to which protection ability can be confirmed.

2nd question: How does White's killing ability work?

3rd question: What's Pokechu's character?

idk question 1 but probably White. I don't think we have anything about Holder's character.

2 It works like a doctor but kills whoever attacks the protected person. So if he used it on me and red aimed to kill me, White and I would live while Red would die.

3 I really don't want to say right now bc Holder hasn't said his Once he claims one I'll reveal mine. Pretty petty of me but IDK I have a hunch about this for some reason

 

[Holder of the Heel]

See, it doesn't confirm --- as townie, but on the other hand, why would he, despite ALL seven of us voting for him, still try to say he's a townie and still try to change our minds?

You see what Swamp did by just up and confessing and how much good that did him?

That's why dude. Giving up means you lose guaranteed.

And not only that, but bombs are often town aligned. And you two don't have similar abilities; you have a special shield that kills attackers of the person you protect. --- is claiming to being able to kill whoever killed them (them as in ---) during the night. It's way different from let's say Holder and Red because they both roleblock, plain and simple. Sure, Holder's protects the person too, but it's still way more similar than a vengeance doctor ability and the town bomb. Just my opinion though

The way they operate is different, but the basic idea is same. And one big difference is, one has been seemingly demonstrated whereas the other one doesn't seem like it will ever be proven.

I have an argument against someone but I doubt it could be true and I really don't want it to be true, especially as this person has been there for me for a lot of things. A whole lot. And I've really started to see them as a buddy. So please don't take this personally, as you just stuck your neck out for me right now! I feel horrible doing this but at this point I feel everything should be pointed out (exactly why praline and white are suspicious of me right now).

See the difference? The first; indifference. Yeah sure, if you really want it okay have it. The second? Sounds almost imposing... especially since I hadn't told you I still wanted to be jailkeeped at the time.

You see, you get onto me for having jumps in my attitude, but I'd like to point out that what you pointed out was one line, and this is an entire paragraph that is the start of several posts that don't carry the above feeling.

You say you went overboard and that you're sorry, but then you say your posts hit the nail on the head. I could go on, but nitpicking what appears to be inconsistencies is so easy that it can be done with ironically your own messages now.

For one, so far, the confirmed mafia has been Swamp and red. Both are people who did not participate in the last game. You wouldn't be an exception to this.

White brings up Golden, but also the implication you make here is an interesting one. You believe the roles to not be random, but to have been specifically granted to the players? Does anyone feel like they were specifically given their role with intent and not chance?

For two, jailkeepers can be any alignment. So while you have proven your role, you haven't proven if you're townie or not.

Was going to say you're wrong here, but looking it up online, Mafiawiki does suggest that it can be of any alignment.

Which is odd, because protection benefits the town, not the mafia, unless it exists solely to block and protect their own members from Aurane on even days. A bit of a stretch in my opinion, but you're not technically wrong.

If --- was lying about either of those two quotes, we'd know to lynch him. If we was telling the truth, we would know to lynch YOU.

How do you figure?

And Swamp's quote, surely knowing the number of mafia would be a boon right now. And the fact that we could know if there's a recruiter or not?

The recruiter thing you keep bringing up, and I don't know why you are continuing to spread what a mafiaso said as he literally gave up and spoke in a last ditch effort to mess with us. Keeping you alive to me was more valuable than testing that just as I had already explained to you, knowing that there's two mafia now, which you agree is actually a pretty overpowered scenario, doesn't change our actions. We still have to find out who is the enemy among us and we still need to make townies don't die. Maybe you disagree with me, but I don't know about that making me mafia.

So, I had already come to you asking to be jailkeeped. When I showed you these quotes, you must have HAD to know you needed to roleblock me. Otherwise, our main suspect, ---, wouldn't be a suspect anymore. Why would he lie about his role about Xander if he was a townie/Ryoma?

I asked you, if it's worth using either ability. Because I did mention how I could track ---. But let me show you a shift.


This was your response when I just only asked for you to jailkeep me.

This was your response after I told you what quotes I could check.

And you mentioned how Swamp's quotes wouldn't have been useful, and how tracking Tri might be pointless... but you didn't mention being able to confirm whether or not --- is townie RIGHT OFF THE BAT, or his ability regarding Xander. Surely ANY townie would point that out and SCREAM "oh MY GOD TAKE THE RISK DYING WE NEED THAT INFORMATION!!! GO TO THE DOCTOR RIGHT AWAY!!"

But, you didn't. Considering your serious nature (how quick you were to vote for Praline after her Xander joke...), I don't think you're the type of person to let personal feelings (oh don't die, i want you to live! ) get in the way of the town. Especially when I could have easily been protected by the doctor and still been able to use my ability.

Why would I when praline was redirecting ---'s actions against himself already at that point? That would be more telling than you finding out whether he is Xander or not, because like I told you, NSG could have been Xander and --- could be Reinhardt and that's why he's claiming a position to now being able to do anything (because Reinhardt looks like he used his power on Apollo).

Your ability would be less than redundant so I aimed to keep you alive, which was something we were talking about doing and you could have stopped me with a just a few words but you didn't.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

3 I really don't want to say right now bc Holder hasn't said his Once he claims one I'll reveal mine. Pretty petty of me but IDK I have a hunch about this for some reason

I never told you? I've said it a few times in private, I think White has known for a while. Edit: Actually no, I gave him a hint regarding a skill in FEH, my apologies.

I am Lukas from SoV.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Oh god, just realized the formatting in my post was all jacked up.

I blame Pokechu for posting a hundred times.

 

[Wolfie557]

No problem!

See, it doesn't confirm --- as townie, but on the other hand, why would he, despite ALL seven of us voting for him, still try to say he's a townie and still try to change our minds?

And not only that, but bombs are often town aligned. And you two don't have similar abilities; you have a special shield that kills attackers of the person you protect. --- is claiming to being able to kill whoever killed them (them as in ---) during the night. It's way different from let's say Holder and Red because they both roleblock, plain and simple. Sure, Holder's protects the person too, but it's still way more similar than a vengeance doctor ability and the town bomb. Just my opinion though

And yeah Golden didn't get it but to be fair, he couldn't have it since there's already three mafia and maybe a recruiter. Four mafia and a recruiter would be broken.

I'm still wary of Holder and I'm inclined to believe --- so I'm afraid I won't be moving my vote, especially since the whole walls of text I've posted hit the nail on the head. I don't want anyone of these 5 to be mafia but if I had to pick who I really thought it was, it'd sadly be Holder.

I see. This changes everything I've just been thinking about.

But --- is defending to save his mafia ass

 

[Wolfie557]

Quick question: Who was the one who targeted Red on Night 2? He mentioned on Day 3 having been visited by someone armored. Was that White or Holder? I'm curious as to which protection ability can be confirmed.

2nd question: How does White's killing ability work?

3rd question: What's Pokechu's character?

1: I have never tried protecting Red. So did not target red night 2. We did talk in Pm for first time on night 2 but he was the one who started this.

I went backed and checked. Your question has no lies and you were also concerned about what Red said at day 3/4. Forgot already lmao...

2: once at night I can protect someone. If town or mafia wants to kill that same person that night, the shot is reflected back at the killer. This is why pralines redirect was needed to make Red and Me targeting the same person and bait aka Pokechu. We didn't know praline could redirect it at herself making her the bait too.

3: idk. / Can't remember

....
Why have you not answered anything I asked you?

White brings up Golden, but also the implication you make here is an interesting one. You believe the roles to not be random, but to have been specifically granted to the players? Does anyone feel like they were specifically given their role with intent and not chance?

Your ability would be less than redundant so I aimed to keep you alive, which was something we were talking about doing and you could have stopped me with a just a few words but you didn't.

Perhaps I was given a killing role because I had a extra kill when I was mafia. But I think that's unlikely. Maybe Oppo just handpicked the mafia or at least 2 of them.

When did I first tell you I am the doctor?
My ability is far better than pokechus so wouldn't you want to keep me alive instead? Why did you not jail me?

 

[---]

But --- is defending to save his mafia ***

To be honest I haven't done much defending at all, mostly just asking questions.

Why have you not answered anything I asked you?

This was the only question I saw and Holder & myself already answered it.

--- who dies when you get lynched? first person voting you, the last, whoeve you decide, random, something else?

My bomb ability kills both me & the one who attacked me (at night, not lynch), it does not go off for any other reason.
My anti-Xander ability only protects myself if I'm targeted by the given player, in which case they are killed and I live on. I can no longer use this ability as I used it Night 2/3.

 

[Pokechu]

Omg unless there's two mafia Xander can't be one of them BECAUSE WE STILL NEED REINHARDT

omg

Holder of the Heel honestly your response countered every point I brought up and then some

I feel pretty stupid now omg

"I don't want you to be mafia Holder, sorry for this! But GOLLEE my post hit the NAIL ON THE HEAD!!!"

I'm honestly an idiot

I still got an eye on you bc I hope I didn't waste my time with those walls of text LOL but unless there's two mafia then one can't be Xander... and if there's no Xander there is NO RYOMA

Omg

 

[Holder of the Heel]

When did I first tell you I am the doctor?
My ability is far better than pokechus so wouldn't you want to keep me alive instead? Why did you not jail me?

But you're not, thought you were a bodyguard? That's not as powerful because someone ends up dead anyways. And if you had died and someone knew who you were targeting, we would know they are innocent right? That would have been way better than what ended up happening, no offense.

Besides, Poke had come up to me with the idea. If you felt like you were the one most deserving, you could have said so and we could have talked it out like I did with him.

 

[Pokechu]

But you're not, thought you were a bodyguard? That's not as powerful because someone ends up dead anyways. And if you had died and someone knew who you were targeting, we would know they are innocent right? That would have been way better than what ended up happening, no offense.

Besides, Poke had come up to me with the idea. If you felt like you were the one most deserving, you could have said so and we could have talked it out like I did with him.

I always referred to White as a bodyguard because, well, doctors do guard you

But the proper term really is the doctor, I apologize.

 

[---]

Omg unless there's two mafia Xander can't be one of them BECAUSE WE STILL NEED REINHARDT

Where is this Reinhardt stuff coming from?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I always referred to White as a bodyguard because, well, doctors do guard you

But the proper term really is the doctor, I apologize.

 

[Wolfie557]

Just had a thought. Maybe we have all been town originally and swamp was the last mafia as NSG was mafia too...or he wasn't and mafia started with 2 due to recruitment. So all mafia was handpicked.

But since Swamp was the last mafia, and he was killed after the recruitment has happened, the game did not end.

The fact that we have been or still are town alexplains why we keep going in circles and everyone can easily be town and yet might not be.

I think this would only work if the person recruited didn't know until the night after swamp was lynched, so last night. If they knew last day then they would be working with swamp to not get lynched. Instead we lynched him since he had no help.

The people defending swamp iirc were just holder. Idk should double check this too... If holder voted in a way to kill swamp later that could be because he did not know he was recruited, yet. But hey in this theory there is only one mafia.

I need to make list of who voted swamp and who defended swamp.

......after writing thought 2 I realised something:
However swamp was blocked that night. (?) And his role didn't mention anything about recruitment.

Although, holder could have been recruited on the night Red died. But again, no recruitment mentioned in the mafia roles.

I'll ignore this silly theory. But still do the checks later unless someone does this for me.


Thought 2:
Holder saying to ignore swamps stuff could be to protect the new mafia or himself but this helps town lynch correctly the main one.

Pokechu talking about the possible recruited mafia could be to spread the paranoia but that could be since I've been the one mainly talking about it even tho I said ignore it many times only to always come back to it.

3:
Me ****ing up has unexpectedly backed me into so many corners. This mafia has already been for ages the one by far where I have analysed the most and read the most analysis/speculation.

I'm so exhausted.

Going by previous town **** ups, what everyone has said and everything I thought of I have made my choice. I'm 90% sure I've been overthinking and talking too much causing everyone to discuss so much.

 

[Pokechu]

Something has happened!

The Summoner was sleeping soundly, as one usually does in the wee hours of the night. That was, until the deafening boom of two thunder strikes assaulted everyone's eardrums.

"MAGIC IS EVERYTHING!"

"What is going on here?" asked the Summoner, groggily rubbing his eyes. On the ground before him was more hoofprints and the charred remains of a body.

"Oh no...Virion! Virion, come here quickly!"

"What is it, dear Summoner? It's the middle of the...mes dieux."

The identity was made because of the one thing that wasn't charred beyond belief...the hero's bow.

Spoiler

You are Innes of Frelia! You're a bit arrogant, sure, but you have the skill to back it up. Of course, your rivalry with Ephraim is likely the thing most know about you. Ephraim may not be here, but as a sniper, your discerning eye is unparalleled. You can even pick out who seems suspicious!

Skills:
- Each night, you may send me a PM saying "Check:User." I will respond at the end of the night with either Clean or Suspicious.
- Once per game, instead of a standard check, you can utilize your bow, Nidhogg, to scan a PM that you're a part of (it can include no more than three other players). After, I will tell you how many of them are Clean or Suspicious, though you won't know who is who. Just send me a PM saying "Nidhogg:[Name of Group PM]"

@Apollo Justice is dead. He was Innes, the cop, a townie.

IT IS STILL NIGHT TWO. The phase will continue until 8 pm Eastern.

--- Holder of the Heel @ShinyLegendary Pokechu Wolfie557
@Shishœ @Zebei @Aurane @Swampasaur @redfeatherraven @GoldenYuiitusin @NonSpecificGuy praline

---

 

[---]

I will state that if it turns out NSG was indeed mafia and that Swamp was allowed to cover it up, I'm going to have to call Opossum out for allowing that. Being able to block two results in a game is questionable, but not being restricted to the mafia's nightly kill is pushing it.

---

One of these days I'll have to download FEH. Anyway I think that de-confirms recruitment as Xander doesn't exactly use magic.

Either NSG was mafia and there is only one member left or, more likely given our lack of agreement, there is only one mafia member left and Swamp was just trying to cast doubt.

EDIT: ^^^Big typo. NSG was most likely mafia and there is only one member left, which wouldn't surprise me as Swamp had little reason to state someone was recruited other than to cast doubt. Our lack even two of us fully agreeing I think adds to my theory.

 

[Pokechu]

I will state that if it turns out NSG was indeed mafia and that Swamp was allowed to cover it up, I'm going to have to call Opossum out for allowing that. Being able to block two results in a game is questionable, but not being restricted to the mafia's nightly kill is pushing it.



One of these days I'll have to download FEH. Anyway I think that de-confirms recruitment as Xander doesn't exactly use magic.

Either NSG was mafia and there is only one member left or, more likely given our lack of agreement, there is only one mafia member left and Swamp was just trying to cast doubt.

EDIT: ^^^Big typo. NSG was most likely mafia and there is only one member left, which wouldn't surprise me as Swamp had little reason to state someone was recruited other than to cast doubt. Our lack even two of us fully agreeing I think adds to my theory.

If there is one mafia member though, that means it has robbed Reinhardt. Otherwise, who killed Apollo?

However, you're saying that the last mafia has to be Xander. It can't be both characters.

And yeah Swamp's ability was broken imho

 

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If there is one mafia member though, that means it has robbed Reinhardt. Otherwise, who killed Apollo?

However, you're saying that the last mafia has to be Xander. It can't be both characters.

And yeah Swamp's ability was broken imho

It could be either one of them to be honest (though I'm not sure if we can for sure say Reinhardt the character specifically is/was in play).

Xander I know for sure is/was in play based on my role. Xander doesn't exactly use magic, additionally it wouldn't make sense for a sudden death kill to take place if my anti-Xander ability couldn't counter it (as it was limited and I had to tell Opossum I wanted to use it for the Night, and I'd get results in the next phase).

You're welcome not to believe me, but I'm nearly positive now there is no recruiter. It doesn't add up with my role nor does it make sense for Swamp to have stated such a thing.

 

[Wolfie557]

Um yh can I double what --- asked b4 and ask what is Reindhardt stuff?edit: i know its a character but whats the eveidence behind its existence? he uses magic?

 

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Um yh can I double what --- asked b4 and ask what is Reindhardt stuff?edit: i know its a character but whats the eveidence behind its existence? he uses magic?

Based on how Apollo died, which was a magic attack, it wouldn't make sense for Xander to use magic/have an ability that makes my own useless. Nor would it make sense for Swamp to out that there is a recruiter in play. As such, Apollo most likely died from a 4th mafia member. I'm not sure why Reinhardt in particular is being mentioned, but I guess that would make sense given he is a Mage Knight.

Red (Lyn)
Swamp (Camus)
??? (Xander)
???/NSG (Magic User)

If there was a recruiter in play, that would make the mafia significantly overpowered. That said there is still a chance there is two mafia members in play, because of NSG's death, but given how little agreement there is among the 5 of us with only ~6 hours I'm not sure that's likely.

 

[praline]

NSG was Xander... someone that is still alive is Reinhardt.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Pokechu you said you were going to explain why you trust praline completely from your role, and I also asked about it during the Night, but you never told me.... Why?

 

[Wolfie557]

welp im stuck between 2 choices again. with doubts about the other 2.

 

[praline]

welp im stuck between 2 choices again. with doubts about the other 2.

You doubt I’m a townie?