Fire Emblem Heroes Mafia - Endgame - MAFIA VICTORY

[praline]

I guess we all have fairly easy reasonings to back why each of us 5 could potentially be the final mafia member.

 

[Wolfie557]

There's no need to be sorry. It's completely logical why you all would be suspicious of the player who can't necessarily prove his own role. I'd honestly be suspicious of myself too if I were in your shoes.

If it helps, if I was mafia why would I even bother with my quote ability? I'm assuming that you guys have a suspicion that I'm mafia and my quote ability isn't my real ability, but if that's the case, why would I bother mentioning the results of a quote I checked as early as day 2? In fact, why would I even bother trying to defend praline, a townie, if I was mafia?


And if you guys think I'm a mafia with a lie detector ability, and a tracking ability, that'd be pretty decked out, especially since the two mafias who have died (red and swamp) both had limited abilities; red could roleblock just twice and swamp could forge and hide the body just once each. Would be unbalanced to have a scum with not one but two lasting abilities.

Wolfie557 if it helps, even though I was aware Holder was jailing me, I still attempted to use my tracking ability on ---.

Q1: Because you could fact check players and help mafia find out who is the doc who is the cop etc.
Q2: maybe cos at day 2 you were still part of town..
Q3: Praline is not townie

....

• Praline and Pokechu are mafia.
• --- is telling the truth JUST like the 2 3rd parties that dies JUST like I felt they were telling the truth.
• Praline and Pokechu cannot both be mafia unless the mafia killed Red on purpose and are playing the Meta-game so that in the end Mafia wins. XD

yh No, White, one or the other. Not both. Perhaps neither.

You made good points. Maybe the recruited becomes vanilla...

So Pokechu what did your tracking reveal?

And if think from this point I will assume there is no recruited member.
Furthermore if the strongman used his once or twice roleblock proof kill...while being blocked...well played.

 

[praline]

At this rate from most suspect to least I think it goes: pokechu, - - -, holder, white, me.

 

[Wolfie557]

Suggestion: Lets all pretend there is no recruited member. I think this will be helpful in finding who the mafia is. And if wrong we still have a whole night.

Golden really was blocked by Holder once (no reason why he would lie about being blocked), proving Holder can block. Perhaps not protect but probbaly can.
Pralines role was proved by redirecting red.
Mine by the fact that Red died.

That leaves --- and Pokechu with the hardest to prove roles, both of which could be a strongman...and likely the strongman is immune once, maybe twice. So asking Holder to roleblock him gives Pokechu, in theory, a guranteed fake explanation as to why he is town.

Sorry for overcomplicating things earlier, should have let that stay in my thoughts.

 

[Pokechu]

I have an argument against someone but I doubt it could be true and I really don't want it to be true, especially as this person has been there for me for a lot of things. A whole lot. And I've really started to see them as a buddy. So please don't take this personally, as you just stuck your neck out for me right now! I feel horrible doing this but at this point I feel everything should be pointed out (exactly why praline and white are suspicious of me right now).

Holder.

I never wanted this to be the case, but there are some reasons why you could be mafia.

For one, so far, the confirmed mafia has been Swamp and red. Both are people who did not participate in the last game. You wouldn't be an exception to this.

For two, jailkeepers can be any alignment. So while you have proven your role, you haven't proven if you're townie or not.

For three, and possibly the most injuring...

I came to you asking to be jailkeeped. You said you would if I really wished. That's when I told you hey here's what we'd be missing out on. I pulled three quotes. Each one would have revealed valuable information that we would really benefit from now.

BTW My extra ability protects me from Xander, I can only use it twice per game though.

Spoilers: I'm not.

(in response to praline who said she's pretty sure --- is mafia)

Ya'll ever heard about recruitment?


As of right now, there are actually three mafia members (two with my death).

If --- was lying about either of those two quotes, we'd know to lynch him. If we was telling the truth, we would know to lynch YOU. And Swamp's quote, surely knowing the number of mafia would be a boon right now. And the fact that we could know if there's a recruiter or not?

So, I had already come to you asking to be jailkeeped. When I showed you these quotes, you must have HAD to know you needed to roleblock me. Otherwise, our main suspect, ---, wouldn't be a suspect anymore. Why would he lie about his role about Xander if he was a townie/Ryoma?

I asked you, if it's worth using either ability. Because I did mention how I could track ---. But let me show you a shift.

Let me know if you want my help and I'll do it.

This was your response when I just only asked for you to jailkeep me.

This was your response after I told you what quotes I could check.

As for Swampy's recruitment thing, yeah I doubt it's true, and even if we find out it is, I'm not sure what we would do about it. We'd still be trying to find a scummer among us.

Personally I'd be really bummed if you died, so I'll just go ahead and cover you. Your ability that checks who spoke with who doesn't seem useful anymore. One mafiaso I presume, very few of us left, and we probably all have PMs with those that remain by now.

See the difference? The first; indifference. Yeah sure, if you really want it okay have it. The second? Sounds almost imposing... especially since I hadn't told you I still wanted to be jailkeeped at the time. And you mentioned how Swamp's quotes wouldn't have been useful, and how tracking Tri might be pointless... but you didn't mention being able to confirm whether or not --- is townie RIGHT OFF THE BAT, or his ability regarding Xander. Surely ANY townie would point that out and SCREAM "oh MY GOD TAKE THE RISK DYING WE NEED THAT INFORMATION!!! GO TO THE DOCTOR RIGHT AWAY!!"

But, you didn't. Considering your serious nature (how quick you were to vote for Praline after her Xander joke...), I don't think you're the type of person to let personal feelings (oh don't die, i want you to live! ) get in the way of the town. Especially when I could have easily been protected by the doctor and still been able to use my ability.

Need I say more? You were arguing AGAINST Golden, who was arguing that Swamp was mafia.

Whether it was directly or indirectly, purposefully or not, you were defending Swamp.

And when I went to YOU, and told you that I had HAMMERED red, and that he left me on read.

Just remember, not replying immediately isn't necessarily bad,

(cut some off because it basically was him saying how he can be busy when he opens PMs and not be able to respond)

With all of this said, I'm sorry to point fingers if you're truly townie! But with all of this said... it is a bit unlikely at this point, pal. :^(

EDIT: Okay, in defense of Holder, I hadn't told him that red left me on read three times. I'm checking the pm's now and I just said he left me on read. My apologies!

 

[Pokechu]

Q1: Because you could fact check players and help mafia find out who is the doc who is the cop etc.
Q2: maybe cos at day 2 you were still part of town..
Q3: Praline is not townie

....

• Praline and Pokechu are mafia.
• --- is telling the truth JUST like the 2 3rd parties that dies JUST like I felt they were telling the truth.
• Praline and Pokechu cannot both be mafia unless the mafia killed Red on purpose and are playing the Meta-game so that in the end Mafia wins. XD

yh No, White, one or the other. Not both. Perhaps neither.

You made good points. Maybe the recruited becomes vanilla...

So Pokechu what did your tracking reveal?

And if think from this point I will assume there is no recruited member.
Furthermore if the strongman used his once or twice roleblock proof kill...while being blocked...well played.

Honestly, really good points for all three things I brought up. But for the first one, I believe that my ability doesn't work if the quote is too direct. I tried quoting Shiny once when he said he was townie (the quote was literally "I am a townie." I think) and Opossum said I couldn't use it. So to find out someone's role from the PM snoops and fact checking would be difficult, I imagine.

I attempted to track ---, but like Holder said, I was jailkeeped (so I was roleblocked).

 

[Wolfie557]

Pokechu, you have made really good points.
....at least theres plenty of time to decide the vote...

 

[---]

In regards to recruitment there is a chance it could be in-play. Don't forget we don't know anything about Z25 or NSG, and usually there is a counter-role when recruitment is in play.

If Pokechu was in jail I doubt he's mafia otherwise the kill shouldn't have gone through. I am curious as to who your character is though.

Am guessing WhiteEaglePL for now based on all the multiple claims that keep being made.

 

[---]

Am going to work now, feel free to tag me if there's something you want me to respond to. Will be thinking on some of the points made all night.

 

[Wolfie557]

Assuming there has been no recruitment, praline and pokechu must be town since involved with killing Red. Then again, Holder and Golden were too.

Holder could have not targeted any of us to try and prove his innocence. He knew about my killing role and (I think) who the bait was but (I believe, I can't remember can someone double check this?) did not know about Pralines redirect. Meaning Red wanted to kill one of us 3 while Holder could prove his innocence & role by not preventing our abilities and letting one of us die, and if he was a mafia jailer at the same time making sure the kill worked while trying to roleblock anyone else.

And I believe he blocked Swamp that night. Maybe proving his innocence too.

In regards to recruitment there is a chance it could be in-play. Don't forget we don't know anything about Z25 or NSG, and usually there is a counter-role when recruitment is in play.

If Pokechu was in jail I doubt he's mafia otherwise the kill shouldn't have gone through. I am curious as to who your character is though.

Am guessing WhiteEaglePL for now based on all the multiple claims that keep being made.

A strongman pokechu is possible. Just like a strongman Tri.

Am going to work now, feel free to tag me if there's something you want me to respond to. Will be thinking on some of the points made all night.

Yh, the questions I tagged and ones i didnt tag you. Please.

 

[Pokechu]

Assuming there has been no recruitment, praline and pokechu must be town since involved with killing Red. Then again, Holder and Golden were too.

Holder could have not targeted any of us to try and prove his innocence. He knew about my killing role and (I think) who the bait was but (I believe, I can't remember can someone double check this?) did not know about Pralines redirect. Meaning Red wanted to kill one of us 3 while Holder could prove his innocence & role by not preventing our abilities and letting one of us die, and if he was a mafia jailer at the same time making sure the kill worked while trying to roleblock anyone else.

And I believe he blocked Swamp that night. Maybe proving his innocence too.

Think about it, though. If one of us had died in that plan, all fingers would point to him. If I had died, then it's surely because you weren't able to protect me. Why not, though? Praline had redirected red to me.

Except there's still Holder, with his jailkeep ability that also acts as a roleblock.

If Shiny wasn't tied to red? Holder jailkept Golden. If the plan didn't work at all? Holder jailkept praline.

 

[Pokechu]

Wolfie557 Not to mention how blocking Swamp wouldn't punish the mafia in anyway whatsoever. Swamp had already used both of his limited abilities, that being hiding a dead body (NSG) and forging (Eirika/Z25).

 

[Pokechu]

I’ve been blocking Swamp this game and it hasn’t stopped anything yet. I can do so again toNight. But if we can say that a role PM was forged, then we could just as easily assume the alignment was forged.

Of course it hasn't. He already used both his abilities. Nice try.

 

[Wolfie557]

Think about it, though. If one of us had died in that plan, all fingers would point to him. If I had died, then it's surely because you weren't able to protect me. Why not, though? Praline had redirected red to me.

Except there's still Holder, with his jailkeep ability that also acts as a roleblock.

If Shiny wasn't tied to red? Holder jailkept Golden. If the plan didn't work at all? Holder jailkept praline.

That makes sense it would make hims suspicious. Hence cleverly proving his innocence.

If I was roleblocked Red would have killed you. If he was really mafia he should have done this. Maybe Red wanted kill me instead, not going for the bait?
He almost roleblocked me once until I made him think it would waste his roleblock. I had a feeling that day based off the ignores and words from the day before that Red wasn't scared of me anymore. If Praline didn't redirect Reds kill I would have died and plan failed. However, if I was the target....surprised im still alive now.

Or maybe he wanted to kill Praline/Golden and Roleblock Me, instead killing and roleblocking you thx to Praline? Leaving Holder free to roleblock someone else aka Swamp iirc. Holder did you block Swamp then?

We need to confirm whether or not Holder was aware of the redirect.....
And if I said Pokechu is the bait. I think I did. Need to check that myself.

Of course it hasn't. He already used both his abilities. Nice try.

Correct. And Red was doing the killing, not Swamp. So blocking Swamp won't block their kill.

 

[Pokechu]

My posts so good even the dead wanna see them.

Me to Holder, expressing my concerns about Shiny (who was proven townie and in hindsight, since he did the maintenance)

Now that Shiny actually sent a message,

is there still any chance he's mafia? If he isn't it then it has to be --- but IDK I really want to believe ---.

Holder's response.

On the one hand I think it’s more so common for a townie, but it’s anothrr one of those cases where it’s the kinda role that doesn’t have much utility unless it is mafia, who could use it as a tool for causing hysteria. Obviously Shiny hasn’t done that, but when it comes to him I don’t know expect him to really do anything.

If you were a townie with the announcer role, what would you do with it? Last game Gordon Ramsay just messed around with it for fun or something.

 

[Pokechu]

I've been informed about Praline by White and I spoke to her about it. And also Golden said he didn't want to be blocked. At this rate I'm going to procrastinate on who to target so I'm cool with keeping you alive.

Haha thank you, you are really kind. And hey, Red ended up being Brave Lyn, the Godfather, so you're good in my book.

Let me know if you want my help and I'll do it.

Holder knew Golden didn't want to be blocked.

Golden's main role was to pair people up. Of course Holder, a mafia, will aim for Golden if it means he gets an extra kill.

 

[Wolfie557]

Considering Oppo told me in Holders PM that in one game Holder thought someone was town and in fact mafia and was working with them basically the entire game...

It may or may not have been a hint and Holder may or may not have tried to keep me on his side this whole time...maybe why I was never targeted with the gun yet. Alive I gave him so much info.

 

[Pokechu]

I think Holder is our best bet. I still haven't exactly proven myself as you countered every point I made, but if I was mafia wouldn't I throw a whole wrench in the plan?

"yo red"
"wassup pokechu"
"white's shield can reflect a kill"
"praline has a redirecting ability"
"youre getting killed tonight, i agreed to their plan to kill you. in fact, i'm the one who said they should kill you."
"oh ok cool"

Seems pretty silly for a mafia to just willingly kill the godfather like that.

 

[Pokechu]

Vote: Redfeatherraven

Don't take this personally. I love Pikachu. :^)

But you are really suspicious. You're a roleblocker, but you can only roleblock TWICE throughout the entire game? No other townie to my knowledge has their one ability be limited. However, I do know that in Swamp's game ALL of the mafia had limited abilities. RamOne had only two Pringles, Opossum could only prevent a lynching once and WhiteEagle could only add an extra kill during the night once.

I don't know, if you don't happen to die here then maybe we can talk during the night. But your ability seems like one the mafia would have from last game, and I have faith that --- is a townie. So really process of elimination brought me to you :^(

yall i have a good hunch with this please unleash the bandwagon

Pokechu, relax man. Why are you panicking all of a sudden? I have reason to wonder about Red myself, we will talk about him toNight.

Holder told me to not worry about the person who ended up being the mafia godfather. He defended red (shown here) and Swamp (showed in one of my last posts) and BOTH ended up being mafia.
Do you guys need any MORE proof?

This also proves that Whiteeagle could do what he said, so I'm now going to put the biggest question of the Night to rest right now all the more in light of that.

Vote: ---

You're Xander aren't you? I had only come up with one conclusion as to what you could have been role-wise based on what you've been saying, but now knowing that someone else fits that description and just killed mafia with it, I no longer have any faith that you throwing Ryoma out in the open isn't some kind of trick to get us to keep you around.


Edit: Great minds think alike, Pokechu.

Was it necessary to edit that part in there, unless he was trying to enamor me? Literally praline and Golden were voting for --- too.

 

[Pokechu]

Also... think about this.

Four of us here have secondary abilities.

Praline can snoop PMs and redirect.
White can protect and has a special shield that backfires a kill.
I can factcheck and track.
--- supposedly has his town bomb ability and a Xander ability.

What's Holder's second ability? Holder has the jail... and that's it... Surely he has to have something else! Of course he does, it's the mafia.

 

[Deleted member]

Opossum is the best at making titles.

 

[praline]

Also... think about this.

Four of us here have secondary abilities.

Praline can snoop PMs and redirect.
White can protect and has a special shield that backfires a kill.
I can factcheck and track.
--- supposedly has his town bomb ability and a Xander ability.

What's Holder's second ability? Holder has the jail... and that's it... Surely he has to have something else! Of course he does, it's the mafia.

You’re making solid points for Holder. Did he know Golden linked himself to Shish? Makes me wish I used my redirect on him.

 

[---]

At work. My role did state there a situation in which my bomb doesn't activate and don't take anyone with me. A strongman could be possible.

Don't forget that the mafia could be using Z25's role as a claim. Why else would they use Swamp's ability Night 1?

What exactly does WhiteEagle's role do? Doctor, bulletproof, bomb, I'm confused.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh hey I'm dead, cool.
Wait, I need a death quote
"Finally, I'll be reunited with my one true love... Chili Dogs. This wasn't the death I dreamt of but it's dang good enough for me."

 

[Pokechu]

You’re making solid points for Holder. Did he know Golden linked himself to Shish? Makes me wish I used my redirect on him.

Holder was aware. At the very least he knew that Golden was using his ability on someone. I showed a quote that proves so in this page two or three posts above yours.

 

[Pokechu]

....nom?

[four quotes that I can't put here bc, this is a quote]

.....
Vote: Holder of the Heel

It's all coming together.

Golden himself was suspicious of Holder. It can't be a coincidence that he died. Especially when I believe (might be wrong) that he was the only one to vote Holder that day.

With all of that said...

VOTE: HOLDER OF THE HEEL

 

[Pokechu]

two more small things

1. This isn't really like "evidence" I can prove, but when this day phase started I got a PM from Opossum stating that I'd been roleblocked. Of course, I was jailed.

But why roleblocked if I was jailed? He could have said "You were taken into the jail" or "You spent the night somewhere secluded, not being able to use your abilities". But just simply "lol u were rolblocked", it's a bit odd...

But this might be rambling.

2. And wasn't Shishoe ALSO suspicious of Holder of the Heel? It's fitting that him and Golden died in the same night...

i think it was just shish and golden who voted holder that day... coincidence?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Whoa, Pokechu you suddenly did a 180, and right when suspicion was starting to fall on yourself and at the time that I go to to bed everyday and don't post for a long time... seems like you're cranking out these posts all night and this morning too. You begin with that you doubt it is true but then you continue on for hours without me here to reply and end up voting against me. I don't have time right now to address every single little psycho-analysis of something I said and honestly I don't really know what you want me to say or what could be said about a lot of the random snippets.

Once I take care of some things around the house I'll return and try to figure out what's going on but I certainly did not expect to wake up to this. Hmm...

 

[Pokechu]

WAIT

I think I cracked the code

What if there's only one mafia

but two deaths because of Tharja's ability? Take a look. It says if she skips out on using the hexes for more than one night, she will die. THAT'S why Golden didn't want to be roleblocked.

So, Golden might have told this, albeit discreetly, to Holder. Holder realizes, blocks Golden for the second night in a row (what proof is there that he jailed Swamp night 3?? besides his own words of course), and uses his mafia kill on Shishoe, so that way neither of the people suspecting him lived to the next day???


I'm probably missing something but this sounds good to me

Whoa, Pokechu you suddenly did a 180, and right when suspicion was starting to fall on yourself and at the time that I go to to bed everyday and don't post for a long time... seems like you're cranking out these posts all night and this morning too. You begin with that you doubt it is true but then you continue on for hours without me here to reply and end up voting against me. I don't have time right now to address every single little psycho-analysis of something I said and honestly I don't really know what you want me to say or what could be said about a lot of the random snippets.

Once I take care of some things around the house I'll return and try to figure out what's going on but I certainly did not expect to wake up to this. Hmm...

I apologize. I genuinely do. Because at first I honestly thought it'd be some one paragraph explanation.

But then I realized there's so much more I could put in.

And after that, still so much more.

And still so much more. And along the way, even though at first I was wary, doubtful; I ended up convincing myself of my own argument. That's what happens when you're a mafia newbie and you crank out a good one!

I really did enjoy our PMs, Holder, and I do wish that next game, we'll be on the same side! If we aren't already are.

But at the same time, you can't say that being psycho-analytical is bad at this stage, and it can't be a coincidence Golden and Shishoe suspected you and were both killed, and that people you defended, Swamp and red, both turned out to be mafia.

 

[Wolfie557]

I think Holder is our best bet. I still haven't exactly proven myself as you countered every point I made, but if I was mafia wouldn't I throw a whole wrench in the plan?

Insert my point about holder here.

White can protect and has a special shield that backfires a killl

Ughghhhh do u actually mind....

You’re making solid points for Holder. Did he know Golden linked himself to Shish? Makes me wish I used my redirect on him.

Probbaly not but he knew golden was linking himself to somebody. And the fact that goldens death was announced first probbaly means golden was targeted to kill.

Edit: fixed a quote and Also:

Golden said the limit thing doesn't count if he is roleblocked. Meaning he didn't HAVE to do it.

--- since Pokechu said it already I am a doctor with a "bomb" that works while protecting someone hence Reds death.

Bulletproof/ immune to night actions like rooeblocks was simply a cover to make mafia not kill me.

 

[Pokechu]

Wait scratch my theory about how Golden and Shish died since I don't think Holder could roleblock me AND Golden last night

Will still consider the thought but it's much less likely now. Keeping an eye open though

 

[Pokechu]

Insert my point about holder here.

Ughghhhh do u actually mind....

Probbaly not but he knew golden was linking himself to somebody. And the fact that goldens death was announced first probbaly means golden was targeted to kill.

Edit: fixed a quote and Also:

Golden said the limit thing doesn't count if he is roleblocked. Meaning he didn't HAVE to do it.

--- since Pokechu said it already I am a doctor with a "bomb" that works while protecting someone hence Reds death.

Bulletproof/ immune to night actions like rooeblocks was simply a cover to make mafia not kill me.

Ohhh okay and the theory is 99.9% dead now

Was nice while it lasted lol

 

[Wolfie557]

Wait scratch my theory about how Golden and Shish died since I don't think Holder could roleblock me AND Golden last night

Will still consider the thought but it's much less likely now. Keeping an eye open though

Huh? He could have have still blocked u but used the kill on Golden
If not --- killed Golden.

I'm a little paranoid you are mafia and if so damn incredibly well played in trying to frame holder in order to protect yourself just when my reasonings were pointing either to u or --- with holder another possibility.

... Why am in always paranoid? It never helped except with Swamp but only because others did the work.

 

[Pokechu]

Huh? He could have have still blocked u but used the kill on Golden
If not --- killed Golden.

I'm a little paranoid you are mafia and if so damn incredibly well played in trying to frame holder in order to protect yourself just when my reasonings were pointing either to u or --- with holder another possibility.

... Why am in always paranoid? It never helped except with Swamp but only because others did the work.

It's possible but my theory was that Shish was the mafia kill and Golden was killed due to not being able to use her ability. If Golden was the mafia kill then how would Shish die?? Hmm...

 

[Wolfie557]

Thx poke I'm dying tonight unless there is only one mafia and we lynch them.

Oh well. XD

It's possible but my theory was that Shish was the mafia kill and Golden was killed due to not being able to use her ability. If Golden was the mafia kill then how would Shish die?? Hmm...

That makes no sense. You've seen the roles...

Golden linked to shish therefore shish died. Whoever was targeted killed the other.

 

[Pokechu]

Thx poke I'm dying tonight unless there is only one mafia and we lynch them.

Oh well XD.

It just happened I didn't even think about it. Sorry!

 

[Pokechu]

That makes no sense. You've seen the roles...

Golden linked to shish therefore shish died. Whoever was targeted killed the other.

Yeah for some reason I saw the fact how Tharja could die if she doesn't use her ability and went wild with it.

That and the fact how why would Golden tie HIMSELF to someone? That just puts him at a risk. That part is hard to understand. He could have tied two people he thought were suspicious, but HIMSELF?

 

[Wolfie557]

I'm just annoyed with myself I was doing other things instead of concentrating on the game. Even when I did play most of the time I was on public transport.

If I thought things through I would have told golden I'm the doctor after he asked me who it is.

Then he would have linked him to me I protect him so we are both protected. At least all who were town would have survived. Maybe Shish too.

I'm really sorry everyone, especially @GoldenYuiitusin ... If we lose you can blame me.

Edit: Swamp your rage recruitment stuff affected my subconsciousness making me not fully trust anyone the whole night. It worked. Congrats.

 

[Pokechu]

I'm just annoyed with myself I was doing other things instead of concentrating on the game.

If I thought things through I would have told golden I'm the doctor after he asked me who it is.

Then he would have linked him to me I protect him so we are both protected. At least all who were town would have survived. Maybe Shish too.

I'm really sorry everyone... (except mafia). If we lose you can blame me.

No, if we lose blame ME. I'm the one who thought Shiny was a suspect and I'm the one who came up with the idea to tie him to red. I caused us all to lose a townie.

Not only that, I've just been so indecisive overall and just overall a weak player. I let myself get CONVINCED of my OWN argument!

 

[Wolfie557]

No, if we lose blame ME. I'm the one who thought Shiny was a suspect and I'm the one who came up with the idea to tie him to red. I caused us all to lose a townie.

Not only that, I've just been so indecisive overall and just overall a weak player. I let myself get CONVINCED of my OWN argument!

Welp, we both made mistakes that caused Goldens role to not be fully effective. Tho mines worse since it killed 2 non-mafias and Shish was never a threat to us.

I think whenever I play again I will do my actions way before the deadline, and if I need to can make fairly last minute changes but not literally last minute choosing who to target...