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Fire Emblem Heroes Mafia: Book 2 - ENDGAME - A Surt-ain Mafia Loses, Town Prevails

#HBC | Nabe

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BarDulL BarDulL ...
I skimmed your post, on my phone, squinting because my alarm hasn't gone off yet. Despite that, I can see that you're trying to suggest that you didn't know about Kon claiming a protective role, which he did in-thread, which is why he ate the Night kill.

Vote: Bard

I'm going back to sleep. --- --- Did Bard say anything in PM that suggested he knew Kon had claimed?

Pokechu Pokechu Do you remember your alphabet?
 
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Just because Shiny voted for Jojalole DOES NOT MEAN SHINY IS SCUM. Literally anyone could have thrown their vote down on someone and the mafia would have used their ability to end the day.

Shiny is an incredibly easy target for a handful of reasons, so you guys need to, you know, actually be patient with him instead of lynching him without really trying to understand the slot like what happened in Fate mafia.
It's not just his vote, it's his whole behaviour that's un-Shiny.
And riddle me this, if Shiny wasn't scum, why didn't Mafia just end the Day as soon as it started since Shiny himself had a modvote on him?
And Ryu wasn't inactive... He just didn't manage to post Day 2. Figuring out who supported with him isn't a witch hunt, it's very important information to have if we can get it.
I just fear that might be too hard, as I experienced last Night, it's very much possible to go the Night without having any supports so process of elimination might not make it easy. And scum could just pretend they didn't talk to anyone even then, I doubt whoever talked to Ryu will genuinely claim.

I'm starting to think you might be right on claiming supports before the Night starts though, maybe this way we can make sure no one is left without one too.
 
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Pokechu Pokechu
Do you have any supports planned for toNight? Or would you mind if we danced together like old times?
 
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I am not evil. I am good.
What I can do is I can find parts of someone's PM and obtain the information.
Trust me.
 

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I'm going back to sleep. --- --- Did Bard say anything in PM that suggested he knew Kon had claimed?
Kon never came up. Mostly just a continuation of you ignoring them Day 1.
 

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Unvote: Shiny
Vote: Bardull


He himself stated that he’s one of Clarisse’s targets. This gives a 50/50 chance of him being Vessel Robin aka Grima aka definitely not someone who would be a townie.

I’m not only gonna take that chance, but additionally...

To ALL players, if you sent a support to Holder this phase, remove it immediately UNLESS you’re the one remaining target of Clarisse that is yet to be known.
 

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And yeah, I agree with Nabe. The fact that Kon revealed he has an ability that’s protective in nature IN THIS VERY THREAD could’ve made mafia think he’s a doc/jailer/whatever.

Outright denying Kon did this claim and was simply “inactive” is altering te events that occurred to one’s advantage.

The Stoopid Unikorn The Stoopid Unikorn
What's your character and weapon again?
My weapon is not part of the triangle.

As for my character, I have yet to reveal it. I’m waiting for the right time.
 
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And yeah, I agree with Nabe. The fact that Kon revealed he has an ability that’s protective in nature IN THIS VERY THREAD could’ve made mafia think he’s a doc/jailer/whatever.

Outright denying Kon did this claim and was simply “inactive” is altering te events that occurred to one’s advantage.


My weapon is not part of the triangle.

As for my character, I have yet to reveal it. I’m waiting for the right time.
If you're Wrys, claim now and we'll have Bardull lynched as that would make him Grima.
If you're not, then I want your character claim and SPECIFIC weapon, right now.
 
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Given the nature of your role, I doubt Goldie would’ve let you live if he was scum, even if he plays in a very townie way as a scum.

With that said... @GoldenYuiitusin Did you dance?
Nope.

And seriously, praline, this is the last game I'm gonna talk with you in the night if your paranoia leads a mob for my death a SECOND time. :glare:
 

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Sorry, been really busy with other stuff, and unfortunately will continue to be today and perhaps tomorrow.

Need to go back and read stuff.

I can see that Shiny claims to get nightly PMs, so if it hasn't been pointed out already, in my support with Pokechu he claimed to also have the ability to get PMs.
 

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uhhh

so who's down for another round of Cop, Protect, Kill?

Cop: Barney
Protect: Shish/Holder
Kill:
Shiny
Part of the reason I supported you, Pokechu, was because I thought this idea of questioning was extremely scum-aligned. It feeds info to the mafia who is deemed important and who is likely to be checked for alignment. That is not helpful for town, only the baddies.
 

#HBC | Nabe

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Unvote: Jojalole
Vote: BardulL
A few things wrong with this.

For one, the previous Day ended already, so you shouldn't have to unvote.

For another, people are asking you for your PM-tracking results, and you need to respond to that.

And third, you haven't said anything yet about how Day 2 mysteriously ended after you voted for Joja.
 

#HBC | Nabe

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Part of the reason I supported you, Pokechu, was because I thought this idea of questioning was extremely scum-aligned. It feeds info to the mafia who is deemed important and who is likely to be checked for alignment. That is not helpful for town, only the baddies.
No one is looking at Pokechu's cop/doc/kill and thinking that it's indicative of who is likely to be targeted by these abilities, except apparently you. Instead, it's a simple, direct, and effective way of getting reads out of players for the possibility of holding them accountable to those reads, if what they say starts to differ in unexplained ways that are likely to be indicative of a scummy agenda.
 

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I mentioned to Golden that BarduIL is the most likely Vessel candidate based on their power augmentation claim. That said, I know nothing about Nabe nor have I played with them in the past to know their playstyle, so I'm having a hard time taking a side here.

Shiny claimed Grey, which is something I can realistically see being a thing given the Triangle Map gimmick (Villager class). I would be more inclined to support them if they were a bit more help.

At the moment I only have confidence in Holder & Golden, while Nabe, Maven, Unikorn, and Pokechu I have nothing on. I agree that Pokechu's Cop/Doc/Kill is suspicious.
 

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@ShinyLegendary praline praline what do you think of Bardull
He's definitely sketchy, how would he know about Z's role when the Ceada role never mentioned it. He definitely has to be Fell Robin.

Nope.

And seriously, praline, this is the last game I'm gonna talk with you in the night if your paranoia leads a mob for my death a SECOND time. :glare:
I don't think your mafia, sorry. Which was the first game? I forgot...
 

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Also I am tempted to vote praline.

I'm curious to see what his character will flip as, it would be enlightening for another slot with a similar claim.

Additionally both Stoopid and praline immediately followed Ura's No Lynch on Day 1 as if working in tandem.

Here in this phase the surviving pair do the same again but with Shiny.
 
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Cop/Doc/Kill is literally just "who do you read as null, Town, and Scum?". How is it in any way suspicious?
Sorry, been really busy with other stuff, and unfortunately will continue to be today and perhaps tomorrow.

Need to go back and read stuff.

I can see that Shiny claims to get nightly PMs, so if it hasn't been pointed out already, in my support with Pokechu he claimed to also have the ability to get PMs.
Well, now that makes things easier
@ShinyLegendary Pokechu Pokechu
The one who is telling the truth should be able to prove their ability. Tell us who you targetted and what were your results.
 

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Also I am tempted to vote praline.

I'm curious to see what his character will flip as, it would be enlightening for another slot with a similar claim.

Additionally both Stoopid and praline immediately followed Ura's No Lynch on Day 1 as if working in tandem.

Here in this phase the surviving pair do the same again but with Shiny.
I mean if you wanna waste your time you can vote for me.
 

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No one is looking at Pokechu's cop/doc/kill and thinking that it's indicative of who is likely to be targeted by these abilities, except apparently you.
You speak for everyone?

Instead, it's a simple, direct, and effective way of getting reads out of players for the possibility of holding them accountable to those reads, if what they say starts to differ in unexplained ways that are likely to be indicative of a scummy agenda.
The way we vote, the kinds of observations we make, the pushes and pulls we do with potential lynch targets, all of that should speak for itself on the record.
 

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Also, why are you outing another player's role info? No one needed any more reason to think that Shiny is questionable, and Pokechu could certainly have done that himself if he thought things weren't moving in the right direction.
Because such a power isn't worth obscuring when there are two people potentially claiming the same thing? It's on the weaker side of things and isn't even an exactly benevolent ability. Often times eavesdropping fits the bill for mafia on its own anyways.
 
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Actually, I am curious about something.
Where is our reviver? I doubt they can do it more than once and there's no reason to hide oneself when they could just confirm themselves as Town and help us narrow down the suspect list.
 

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That's actually my favorite activity.

vote: praline
Of course it is l
Actually, I am curious about something.
Where is our reviver? I doubt they can do it more than once and there's no reason to hide oneself when they could just confirm themselves as Town and help us narrow down the suspect list.
I was actually just about to mention that.
 

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I can see that Shiny claims to get nightly PMs, so if it hasn't been pointed out already, in my support with Pokechu he claimed to also have the ability to get PMs.
Because such a power isn't worth obscuring when there are two people potentially claiming the same thing? It's on the weaker side of things and isn't even an exactly benevolent ability. Often times eavesdropping fits the bill for mafia on its own anyways.
...Seriously? I didn't know you had the jurisdiction to drop my role whenever you thought "it wasn't worth obscuring".

Thanks for outing my role, Holder. If I wanted it out there, I would have done it myself. :glare:

You don't think I considered revealing my role? It wasn't necessary.
 

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Actually, I am curious about something.
Where is our reviver? I doubt they can do it more than once and there's no reason to hide oneself when they could just confirm themselves as Town and help us narrow down the suspect list.
It's possible that our reviver is also our doctor, as that has been the case for a handful of our past games.

In that case, I can see why they wouldn't want to reveal themselves.
 

#HBC | Nabe

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You speak for everyone?
It's common sense. In cop/doc/kill, who you doc is a townread, who you'd kill is a scumread, and who you'd cop is a second scumread, or lean, or someone you want more from. It's not, "I'm a doctor and this is who I'm protecting toNight."

The way we vote, the kinds of observations we make, the pushes and pulls we do with potential lynch targets, all of that should speak for itself on the record.
That goes without saying. But in NZone-style games where not nearly enough of any of the things you've listed have gone on, and where over half the crowd is reticent, this kind of exercise is the best way to get any reads at all out of a player.
 

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...Seriously? I didn't know you had the jurisdiction to drop my role whenever you thought "it wasn't worth obscuring".

Thanks for outing my role, Holder. If I wanted it out there, I would have done it myself. :glare:

You don't think I considered revealing my role? It wasn't necessary.
Yeah I bet you did consider it. Unfortunately you chose to keep relevant information from the town to no one's benefit.

I'd roll back on the attitude. I recall Ura overreacting too when nothing was happening to him. Not yet.
 

#HBC | Nabe

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I think the reviver should claim. I don't think they're likely to be the doctor when there's 17 roles to spread around, and if they are, they can just refrain from saying so. From a town reviver's perspective, Holder is confirmed town and a better Night kill than the reviver themselves, because there's no ambiguity whatsoever about Holder's alignment. Not to mention, he flipped lie detector.
 

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Yeah I bet you did consider it. Unfortunately you chose to keep relevant information from the town to no one's benefit.

I'd roll back on the attitude. I recall Ura overreacting too when nothing was happening to him. Not yet.
I'm not the only one who thought that no one needed anymore reason to think Shiny was sketch.

And the attitude? What are you gonna do, shoot me? Oh wait, you can't. Maybe next time you should treat other people's roles, as THEIR role, and not your own.

Nabe knew my role, but guess what? He didn't expose it to the whole thread.
 
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