One thing I want to comment on was people pushing Holder Day 1. Not going to lie, I found Holder incredibly annoying, not due to his strat but the way he carried himself doing it, but there was nothing scummy about it. I feel he town cleared himself almost instantly. It's a smart strat Day 1 and a good way to kick the game off without RVS taking forever. You could claim it's anti-town due to him essentially holding the town "hostage" and the high chance of him killing a townie, but anti-town does not equal pro-scum. A good example is Natz's brother, who basically refused to post anything meaningful day 1. That's anti-town, but not pro-scum. If scum want to not post reads to hide under the radar, they're not going to openly post that they're not giving reads because it'd defeat the purpose. If Holder was a scum dayvig (I'll hate the game that makes that role), he's not going to jump in and throw all the attention on himself knowing that he's going to shoot a townie day 1, nor give that power away in the very beginning of the game. Holder doing what he did cleared him almost instantly.
Fun Dgames history: Ryker and EE were two very good players. Ryker once got a day1 dayvig, so he start the game by telling EE to claim within an hour or he'd shoot him. EE told him to **** himself, so Ryker shot him (he was an innocent child). EE quit mafia forever.
Two or so years later, Glyph got a day1 dayvig, so he started the game by telling Ryker if he didn't claim within 5 minutes he'd shoot him. he shot him, I don't remember his role but he was town.
We stopped using Day1 dayvigs after that.
