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[th3kuzinator]

Pushing meta aside, his apathetic playstyle is scummy which is why he's scum.

 

[Rajam]

Up to #400

Why? Start to back your reads up please.

Agreed. kuz needs to explain himself

And while we're on it I'm also going to respond to the other part of Soup's questions:

Yes, my opinion on Ryker is still the same as the one Sword told you. I can't tell what he's really thinking but dumbtown is almost completely out of the question for me. If he isn't right about the stuff he's giving input on then I'm almost 100% sure he's scum.
Kuz, on the other hand, is a detriment to town, straight-up and anybody who thinks that he should survive toDay given how he's played is ********. The only justification for choosing him over me is if you think I'm scum but that seems to be more of a conformist, opportunistic stance than a well backed-up one at the moment.

July, Xonar and Circus make good lynches toDay I think.

Why Circus?

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Circus' #373: I agree on his oppinion about Ryker:

"Too interested in how he's being perceived and too interested in indirectly overselling how town he is. He brought up the fact that scum didn't incap him multiple times at the beginning of the Day, stating that he was surprised he didn't get incap'd and that scum would regret neglecting him. This is potentially him trying to spin a nulltell to look like a towntell—it felt grimy then and it still does.

Not to mention, dat red flag."

After his intitial posts in which Ryker seemingly gained some town points, he disappeared. He made the game advance at the beginning but after that hasn't made any move on the current discussions

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Brosuke's #373 and #398 are horrible defenses, specially 398: what do you mean by those "resolved"? I don't see any explanation that would leave those accusations resolved... your other defenses aren't satisfactory either, making it seem like Gorf did nothing

Who do you think is scum and why?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Keep reading mongloid.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

@rest I have to do an essay for tomorrow so I'm basically half-lurk-skimming for a while.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Primarily inactivity, because I've been there, but I just haven't seen much that makes him lean in one way or another. If you have something important to point out that he's said, I'd appreciate it, it may have been missed in my skimming.

Ryker is Town until he needs to be otherwise. The fact that he hasn't attempting to control the game feels to me a sign of apathy. Though, that plays to Ryker's scummeta more than Town. @_@

I just tend to keep an eye on him until I need to do otherwise.

What does this even mean?

Ryker is always town? Is there anything more concrete than just that?

In addition, if you listed him as town in your "reads post," why are you keeping an eye on him?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Probably has something to do with Raziek and Ryker as a couple, honestly.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Probably has something to do with Raziek and Ryker as a couple, honestly.

Dang. Look at dem canadibamian offsprings amirite?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@Kuz, is it just me, or is Ryker this game almost identical to Celloscum? He came in here making a big hooplah about nothing, and retreated... almost exactly like Celloscum would... I actually do like the case you have against him and am eager to hear his response. But his play is NOT sitting well with me anymore, on a second look back.

Oh and I'm totally not avoiding the July wagon, it's just at L-2 and I wanna get as much out of this Day with you as I can <3 :* <3 :*

@Bro thoughts on the switch?

 

[th3kuzinator]

I'm glad you like the case, because it has merit. I'm not going to try and relate it to another person's meta but his play is scummy for the same reasons. He created a lot of fuss early game that was full of bull, got town reads across the board from everyone just for his playstyle and being hyperactive or w/e and then disappeared to wallow away on your wagon doing nothing while deadline is fast approaching. If it wasn't clear enough that his scumpicks were fake, he isn't even attempting to push them.

Disregarding meta entirely, its scummy as ****, and I hope someone can bring that lynch home provided I'm not around.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh and I already have a pretty good handle on the entire scumteam.

I think I've narrowed 4 scum to 5 candidates or something like that. Just need some content from my unknowns and I'm set to reveal everything.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

 

[th3kuzinator]

Sometimes I don't give you enough credit, Gorf. Truly.

 

[Raziek]

Chasing Rykerscum earlygame is a waste of time, that's why I consider him Town until he needs not to be.

uncap th3kuzinator

 

[Rajam]

Up to #440. Not much to add, other than KevM seems rather silent after his vote on Circus. Stronger town read on Dark Horse.

Dooms, address my #384: your scum picks and why?

 

[Rajam]

Up to #480

Rajam get out of your tunnel and join this wagon.

on KevM? What about Dooms? that wagon is much better

Almost the same reads.

"Almost"? Which would be those differences? hey which are your scum picks?

Just to throw my thoughts out into the open about why I don't like HipSam v July: there just isn't enough substance in the argument for there to be continued conflict. I particularly dislike HipSam for his vote on July in the first place because I don't think July's first post stating dislike for HipSam had enough scummy material to warrant such a reaction. His jump on that post looked fake and his points were reaching. I thought the interaction would end with that, however, but July picked up the argument and kept arguing it beyond its capacity. Everything about the initial points have been discussed several times over yet the argument continues to drag on in full force way longer than a TvT argument of this caliber would have lasted. Both HipSam and July are guilty of unnecessarily sparking the thing back up if you look at the tone and material of what is being discussed. Either it is a SvS thing where both players are trying to distance while still give the impression that HipSam is doing something to help him survive through the day or, more likely, one of them is scum and is desperately trying to appear consistent by continuing his or her push long after there was substance to. The reason I'm not particularly concerned with diagnosing which one it is, is because HipSam is dying toDay anyway. The reason I wanted the July lynch was because one of those two definitely holds a scum (if not both) and a July lynch plus a HipSam death would net me that. If I had to say right now which one I thought scummier it would honestly be a toss up. I really dislike HipSam from his play during the beginning of the Day and his initial posts on July (especially his first one) reeked terribly. However, the bait I left for July to take (my vote on her), was ignored in July's recent post. Not only does she continue to do things I accuse her for above, she doesn't even comment on my views on her alignment, which bugs the **** out of me. She gives reads but somehow manages to forget me despite my slot being the forefront of uncap discussion. She also has a town read on me, which literally makes no sense with the way I've been playing thus far. It's not only that she finds HipSam scummy and thus thinks he's a better uncap target, it's that she actually has me as a town read. I know July's though process and I know how she likes to interact as both alignments, and this right here is textbook safe play. As town, she's logical and usually reads me as town when I'm playing openly, giving stances and reads at will. When I'm reserved she often reads this as scum (and is sometimes right) and calls me out on it accordingly (check Halloween Party Mafia. She successfully tunneled my slot into the ground). Her continued negligence of my existence this game speaks loads on her alignment and I heavily dislike it. The questions that accompany her walls also bother me because, like Ryker's, they have no purpose. She's so intent on maintaining this wall war with HipSam that she's negligent of most everything else but then slips in questions at the end of her walls that she does not follow up on in actual discussion.

Straight up, I hate their interaction and want both dead. Other musings coming in a second.

ugh, where to start... your case on July is pretty weak because it's based mostly on meta, and it's also reach-ish if you think the interaction lasted more than usual in a forced way. July's 2nd intervention (when she returned) was to leave it clear her points from the 1st time, and with that 2nd intervention she ended that part of the confrontation. Hispter at the same time wanted to leave it clear the vote on July was due to her being oppotunistic instead of an over-defensive reaction. It seems more of a TvT to me if anything imo. You also say it's distance to add into the case, but that can't serve any purpose at this moment until we have a scum flip of any of them. And the coloured part... what the hell is that, are you gonna say now that any form of scummy play earlier on the game you did was on purpose as a bait?

Talking about distance... what's your read on Ryker now that he's gone completely silent after his initial burst?



uncap: Hipster Samurai

I have not force interpreted anything. You 12 was scummy in that you said "you should deffo incap us, not Kuz " which, yeah, is light-hearted discussion, but it also show you're thinking about your survival. I came into this day trying to find scum with my survival as a second priority. As scum that's pretty much all you would be worried about while as town you would have less reason to even bring the issue up. This isn't condemning in itself because I myself want to survive as well, as any townie would want to vs. an unknown quantity in this situation. However, the fact that you even felt the need to bring it up in the first place combined with your re-statement of this obvious concept in 105 and your reaching post on July set off red flags which warranted my vote on your slot.

Post #12:

"You shouldn't announce who you uncap yet btw. The other one will just lose his reason to play if you let him know that he's going to die anyway. Also, we should deffo be uncapped, not kuz "

Re-statement on #105:

"Right then. So basically one of Kuzi or me has to die toDay. Well then this choice is pretty obvious for me.

uncap HipSam"

Talk about reach-ish... are you seriously using this to call Hipster scum? I can't see how this can be conclusive to you that Hipster is scum

I haven't been here, so I would understand why people would want me lynched. I wouldn't have anything to defend myself with, so I would also understand that part of it. I don't think theres anything I can do to stop a lynch on me at this point since I forgot this game existed XD.

Basically, I'd be a little sad but I'd understand why.

omg that AtE... is anyone opposing a lynch on Dooms?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Why can't you just read the entire thread and talk about your musings when you're caught up?

Are you mentally incapable of reading things more than 40 posts at a time? Your posts just serve to provide filler since your next post will immediately contradict everything in the previous post depending on the next 40 posts you've read. Besides the fact that it's immensely inefficient, you're making the thread longer than it needs to be.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Bad Kuz.

Keep this up, Rajam.

How many hours til deadline? (1:12 reminder for self)

 

[th3kuzinator]

Why havn't you been weighing on anything recently, Xonar. There's plenty to talk about and your silence is strange.

And why on earth do you support this method by Rajam ffs

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Ive been superbusy with school and birthdays basically.

It allows me to form a better read on him.

 

[Raziek]

It has its pros and cons.

The main pro I see is that we see a constant thought process as he reads the thread.

I'm not a fan of it, but it's not thoroughly bad.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

About Ryker

i hd a really good feeling for townRyker but him not taking ropes is indeed a big scumtell, though I have to consider reallife shizzle and the fact that he was basically my strongest townread without question. Im not sold.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I actually wanted to isoread kuz because theres somr nagging regarding him and ill report on that tomorrow. Hard promise right there.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Kuzi, i'm sure you use 40ppp.

at the beginning of your thoughts/catch-up (post #458) there are some things i would like to address with you on your reads.
After that post and the next page, you started to like HipSam more and started to push onto July.

I already (sort of) read the case you made about her, but i wanna know how this influenced your read on HipSam and why this makes July scum, and let's just imply that July ISN'T scum, where does that HipSam read go then?
Going back to grab some things, on page 12 right now.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Srsly tho how many hours til deadline?

 

[Raziek]

Outside thread knowledge: Ryker was at an undeclared V/LA for a family gathering roughly three hours away, so he just wasn't around.

/spousal status (is he serious?)

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Also gonna read more into kuz his case on July and july overall.

God this is gonna slurp some mad time.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Kuzi, i'm sure you use 40ppp.

at the beginning of your thoughts/catch-up (post #458) there are some things i would like to address with you on your reads.
After that post and the next page, you started to like HipSam more and started to push onto July.

I already (sort of) read the case you made about her, but i wanna know how this influenced your read on HipSam and why this makes July scum, and let's just imply that July ISN'T scum, where does that HipSam read go then?
Going back to grab some things, on page 12 right now.

Their reads are entirely different. I realized I was wrong about HipSam after a third reread and a direct discussion with Sword.

I've already detailed why July is scum in my case. Read it.

 

[th3kuzinator]

And before you do anything else, Soup.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13793240&postcount=558

Want the bottom question answered.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Acutally kuz don't answer that because #494 by HipSam poses a big hole in the question

If i die i want July to die with me.

Is basically the jist of the last paragraph, and a very odd yet bold thing to say.

Kuzi, what do you get from this? does this immediately in your eyes make you feel like they possibly couldn't be aligned? it certainly gives me that vibes, but let's keep on track with what i wanted to get at with the first post i made to you.

 

[th3kuzinator]

It has its pros and cons.

The main pro I see is that we see a constant thought process as he reads the thread.

I'm not a fan of it, but it's not thoroughly bad.

And what good will that even be when we know there are two different scum alignments that could easily scumhunt the other one. I find Rajam perfectly capable of presenting respectable surface level content if he goes through and comments on everything that has already been discussed ages ago, 40 posts at a time.

IE, its not helping me get a read on him because this type of catchup style is safe and is something scumRajam is easily capable of.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Kuz aree you good at differentiatng scrub or scum?
the time left you deaf naggahs

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I haven't been here, so I would understand why people would want me lynched. I wouldn't have anything to defend myself with, so I would also understand that part of it. I don't think theres anything I can do to stop a lynch on me at this point since I forgot this game existed XD.

Basically, I'd be a little sad but I'd understand why.

:badpost:
People already pointed this out, though, what a shame.

Want these answered.

Because i actually seem to like July to a point and i felt like the instant push that HipSam did on July was bad, but that's old news and i need to look into and catch up with latest events,.

your case should be coming up soon, i'll address it once i get to it.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Xonar if you aren't studying or giving me johns about not posting due to studying I want actual content. What's your current read on HipSam and what's your thought on the current uncap situation.

You promised me stuff on July yesterday but you've yet to analyze my case or comment on anything of real significance to toDay's proceedings. As of now, who do you want lynched? Still KevMo?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

KevMo, are you stil hanging onto that Brosuke read despite voting July in your #507

SO MUCH CONTENT SO LITTLE TIME AAA

 

[th3kuzinator]

About Ryker

i hd a really good feeling for townRyker but him not taking ropes is indeed a big scumtell, though I have to consider reallife shizzle and the fact that he was basically my strongest townread without question. Im not sold.

Stop letting your hard on for Ryker get in the way of your read. How could Ryker possibly be your strongest town read when he's yet to do a single townie thing? The only in thread thing I remember you mentioning is that you agree with his Gorf/KevMo stance or something and thus you guys come to the same conclusions as the same alignment. If you've read my case and and actually looked at Ryker's play for what it is, not what you want it to be, you'll realize he's scum.

His V/LA, though noted, literally means nothing as I already explained. Before he left which was posts made during the 8th of december (yes I've read the thread enough to remember what dates Ryker made posts) he made various trite posts simply agreeing with a stance or questioning logic that didn't further his Gorf push nor imply he was trying to feel any scum out.

His complete drop of the Gorf push just to let it stagnate is gross.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Deadlines far, like 28 hrs.

No content. On tablet.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

HipSam's #508 makes me agree with Kuzi's town-read on them.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

HipSam looks like town with a despicable Gheb attached to it. Solid town read.
The current uncap situation is that youre to survive with 7-6 iirc. Well my town read on hipsam is more solid than mine on you. That wont change til i reread you more carefully and either get confirmation or that it was nothing important.

My read on july is currently cool with letting her go. Id rather see others go. Which brings me to KeviM.

Honestly the light in which i see kevim hasnt changed for jack. Out of all our candidates which are july or kevmo pretty much i pefer to see kevmo go. His play strikes me as straightout fruitless. One of the biggest scumtells when pushing it off as not being so (he literally did)

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Jezus kuz that post me likey.

Mhm..

 

[th3kuzinator]

Soup, what's your read on KevMo, Circus, and Joey?