I honestly didn't realize that there had been more posts since I had read it last and didn't realize that omni had claimed. Now that omni has claimed a relatively prominent character (from what I've heard, I know nothing about final fantasy) I don't suspect him as much anymore. I would still like a vote count though.
It's about the answer I expected, sadly not that strong of one. For right now my vote is holding on you. It's not a major thing, but it IS one of the better leads I have at the moment.
Unvote: Omni
Marshy's got the right idea here. Doc-ish claim is definitely an ideal claim for a mafia in this game considering what they are rewarded with by drawing out a CC. That's not to say that he shouldn't be CC'd if someone else is really Aerith, it just means that if forced to claim, that's a good maf call.
But yeah, for now, Omni isn't a good lynch choice. I'm not ENTIRELY trusting of the claim for a few reasons though. One, I can very easily see Aerith being a character not in the game, much like Zack. Both are monumental characters in the FFVII universe (remember people, this is the whole UNIVERSE, not just the original game setting) and Zack is already dead. Since Aerith being dead is pretty integral to the plot, I could see he not being an active role (perhaps another NPC to appear later) and Omni may have just gotten lucky. Unlikely, but it's a possibility I'm considering. There's also the possibility, however slight, that Aerith is a lyncher target. I would NOT be surprised if there was a Sephiroth role in the game with a requirement that Aerith be lyncher (or maybe just be killed) as a requisite to win the game on top of normal win conditions, or something like that.
But yeah, wouldn't put much money on those potential realities, but I've been tossing those idea around. I figured I'd put 'em out there.
I'm currently interested in what mentos has said about Riddle. Situationally speaking, asking for a vote-count at the time DOES look pretty bad. I could also see it going both ways though, and him just being a cautious townie. I'll be looking into it and will touch upon it again later.
You do have a couple of good points there about Aerith FF, but at the moment I'm inclined to believe the claim. I've never played FF7, and not many of the FF games in general, and still knew that name from the get-go. It is a big part of the plot that she dies, but I don't see Tom excluding a major character like that. However, I do see where you're coming from, and it should be kept in mind.
@McFox: No, it's only flavor; 100% sure on that.
@FrozenFlame: Stop worrying over something as little as Riddle and Mentos. Pretty sure Riddle was asking for a vote count and didn't realize I claimed but was rather continuing the argument. What's your take on Hando?
As much as I dislike Kevin right now I can't say I'm surprised by his play so far. Pretty sure he's just playing aggressive town Kevin although I would mind if he removed his vote from me ASAP.
Would like to hear more from Chill.
The Riddle thing was something to point out. He says he didn't see the new posts, but it's something that needs to be called out, and his reasoning for it is the perfect cover for a scum who slipped up thinking they could get a ml that easily.
the riddle thing is legitimate
also omni shouldn't be assumed town solely for his roleclaim. tom has had a game broken through nameclaims (batmafia) and he's since taken steps to make sure his games didn't end the same way. his method this time around may've been to give scum safeclaims
I already commented on this at Frozen's comment to an extent, but I didn't think about the safeclaim idea until you mentioned it. I know when I was reading Batmafia the nameclaim is what let me call the scum, so safeclaims may very well exist.
You're tunnel vision will hurt you later on.
You realize it generates discussion which is the only weapon town has. Sucks that a PR claimed but his scummy vibes that he has given off has driven everyone to post.
When people post they make connections, willingly or unwillingly. Connections help create trails to scumtells. It's all a game of getting people to talk and getting them to make a mistake. It's as simple as that.
You're blinded because you want me to be scum because of my aggressive play when in reality, it's effective.
Also you can't say I'm on your scumdar when you haven't read the rest of the arguments, be educated before you post or you'll find yourself needlessly looking suspicious when you spout an opinion based on something that may have changed on another page.
Come on Blazer you used to play, time to get back in the swing of things love.
I agree, it sucks a PR died, but at the same time we got a lot of discussion out of it. Every post counts when trying to determine scum, and whatever generates discussion can, in the long run, be worth it.
Ok, first off, unvote: KevinM. Sorry a ton dude, school has been making me way too busy, and like I said, extra time goes into my mafia game. Which i haven't had any extra time for recently...
Anyways, I'm mostly caught up (don't have much time, so I had to skim a tad), and Kevin seems very townlike to me now. There has been a variety of things happening, moreso than other games at this point, so whoever said it was scummy that he wanted 3 different people dead this fast (FF I think), I'm sure its just a combination of his usual aggressiveness and the heightened amount of topics so far in this game. Instead, I think I'll move on to Omni:
First off, I have seen this:
And it seems a tad off to me. First off, though I haven't played FFVII, I do know that it was important for Aerith to be dead, so I would not be surprised at all if she was missing from the game. Second, the "Any CC's?" gives me a bad vibe. Why not just leave it off? It just seems out of place to me. Third, this whole thing:
A few things, why didn't you say this with your roleclaim, and why did you feel the need to explain it? Almost like you are making things up as you go... So I agree with Marshy, it seems like Tom may have given safe CC's to the scum, of which Omni is a part of.
My second major point is the whole "I've never claimed to be good, Kevin is just trying to make me look bad!" thing. Its irritating, especially because so many of your posts you make yourself sound like you are the best!
First off, I took special care to read the original post where Hando called you that, and he wasn't saying a normal Omni town, he was saying that you didn't sound like a normal town, Omni. Which you don't. Stop trying to twist the words. Second, that's not even a good point anyways! Just because we don't know you are town in another game, doesn't mean we can't tell when you are acting in the town's best interest and when you aren't. And this is one where you aren't acting in our interest. So stop trying to say that this is a good point that everyone is a bad player for ignoring.
Um, if anything, this is the biggest "Oh, look at me, I'm so much better than you will ever be" comment I have ever seen a newbie say. So stop trying to take away an obvious and big scumtell by saying "Oh, I never did that, lulz" and give reasons. I don't buy your claim, and since I doubt people will jump on you to try to get you lynched even with my vote, that's exactly what I'm going to do.
Vote: Omni
Ok, first wall of text to respond to.
First of all, I don't find his asking for CC's to be all that odd. In fact, if anything, it inclines me to believe he's a townie. Why you ask? If he were scum claiming a role like that, he would leave that off knowing that if Aerith was in the game, they would counter-claim anyway. As a townie, asking that might cause the scum to be jumpy and make a mistake and try to make the claim to incriminate him.
He did say the part about the second role power in his first post(although he did have a typo it looks like). Don't try to say he didn't mention the power in his first post to incriminate him, he did and if you read it you would realize that.
Omni responded to this next part already, but I want to repeat it. Hando already responded to Omni's questioning of what he meant, and he NEVER said "no I meant you aren't like normal town, not you aren't like normal town Omni." He explicitly said he meant the latter. Now, you're both defending Hando, contradicting him. Seeing as Hando is a very experienced player, I'm pretty sure if he meant it how you suggested he would have pointed that out to Omni right away. This raises two questions: Why are you defending him to begin with, and why are you trying to change words that came out of other people's mouths?
Alright, to start off Unvote: Kevin. I had forgotten to do that and voting is a pain in thw *** on my phone for using tags and whatnot. Anyways, that was an RVS vote that stayed through, because of lack of PC access.
Moving right along, Omni to me seems different than his play in MegaMafia. Today he was confirmed as being a townie, so the difference in playstyle Hando pointed out is in fact true. Ronike pointed it out before I could, but the CC thing he said definitely sticks out. It's like he wants someone to counter claim him, so that's a red flag for sure. Then as he also said the idea of a safe claim is also heavily viable. Tom did this in Disney and Omni used it there. He was eager to claim then, so the action carries over here. Then, I don't like his arguing with Kevin at all. I do admit Kevin's being rather abrasive to agg him on. It's working, that's for sure. Chill was accurate in what he said, also. Apparently this play is common for Kevin, so he's definitely leaning town.
I'm going to look into more people in a bit, just wanted to get the more Omni thoughts out.
I do agree with some of what you said, but at the same time, I think we're becoming very, very tunnel visioned on a claimed major character. I'm more interested in the connection Ronike just drew to Hando, and Riddle's post right after Omni's claim than I am in Omni at the moment. If he's scum, we'll find it out, but D1 isn't a day to put focus on a claimed PR.
I do this pretty much every game. I'm a lazy poster.
Classic blue is broken now.
GG smashboards.
Haha I know right, I had it working for like an hour on Firefox, then it died again>_>
Now, I would like to ask a few questions.
@Riddle: You haven't posted since you responded to my comment about your post. Who do you think we should be looking at and why?
@Ronike: In case you missed it above, why the backing up of Hando? Also, you come in having not posted much, and pretty much hammer away at a claimed PR/major character, and don't list any other suspicions. Is that seriously the only one you've found anything worth commenting on about?
@Chaco: Good to see you posting, let's hear where your suspicions lie and why.
@Jungle: Same to you as Chaco, you've finally made a post, now let's hear your strongest suspicions right now.
That's all I can think of at the moment, and honestly because of the large amount of chat room talk this has taken me till way too late. I'll see if there's anything else I want to say after work tomorrow.
