Data FINAL: Confirmed 1.1.0 Patch Notes

[kid craft 24/sonic master]

Im hoping at some point we get some sort of buff or alteration in trajectory to a move. It always makes me sad when all I have to look forward to in a patch is nerfs for my character or nerfs for others.

 

[Luig]

The dair buff was a one of a kind experience for sonic.

 

[TwicH]

Wait so are anything of his nerfs confirmed or are we not sure yet?

 

[Luig]

The only differences are:
Fsmash kbg 106-101
Fsmash SFX altered.
Datamined, confirmed.

 

[Arhat]

I'm going to leave the vault and explore the wasteland

 

[kid craft 24/sonic master]

The dair buff imo really isnt all that significant when we still are forced to use dair in a situation where we have to let someone jump into us. Only the radius where we can cover options with a dair had been increased. Other than that all sonic has seen if nerfs to his key kill options all of which dont really have setups into. All I wanted was for them to fix BSBS and maybe make utilt ae to combo into stuff or give us a reason to use Fthrow instead of Uthrow to KO vertically.

 

[Giovani44]

sonic down throw seems nerfed too it does 4 now

 

[Myst_R]

My God... why do they continue nerfing us ??!! I just can not understand it.

I hope they will soon hire a balance team that looks like Blizzard's. A team that will make patch notes and explain their moves. Because for now, it is IMPOSSIBLE to understand why they continue killing us...

 

[TwicH]

Looks like our best bet is to play super safe and rely more on aerials and throws for taking stocks now. No more Smash Attacks.
-_-

 

[Myst_R]

I do not want to be so pesimistic, but I really want to understand, what data, what voice do they listen to, what drive them to nerf Sonic ? How is it possible that characters like Cpt Falcon or Little Mac that are so easy to play and win with doesn't feel the hammer ?

I'm sad and angry cause I thought this balance patch would bring us a nice surprise like the Dair buff we received, I really thought Nintendo couldn't nerf Sonic more than this.

I guess that now we are used to one patch = one nerf.

Anyway, beside the fact that I don't understand, I still have hope, I'm sure the game will be balanced in the end and Sonic is still our love !

 

[Luig]

GUYS, YOU DO REALIZE THAT THE ONLY THING THAT WAS NERFED IS FSMASH KOING LIKE 4% LATER?!

 

[cerealkiller]

GUYS, YOU DO REALIZE THAT THE ONLY THING THAT WAS NERFED IS FSMASH KOING LIKE 4% LATER?!

I'm going to say that it's pretty impossible that we already know that for sure. From what I see in other character's threads, patch testings takes a LOT of work on many different levels. Testing KO% and %damage is far from enough.

 

[Luig]

It was 106 kbg-101 kbg. Dantarion already datamined it. We just have to figure out what the hex values are.
And we got that fsmash has reduced kbg and has a new sound effect.

 

[cerealkiller]

I didn't mean that that observation was incorrect, I meant that it is early to be sure that those were the only changes.

 

[Luig]

Ah....I sure hope those are the only changes.

 

[W.A.C.]

A lot of people hate Sonic because a lot of Sonic players play super campy with him and time out their opponents, yet Sakurai further nerfs Sonic's kill power. Time outs at competitive play are becoming extremely common because of these ****ing balance patches. It's just going to make a lot of characters more frustrating to play and more boring to watch. I recently had to time out a King Dedede player with Diddy Kong in a friendlies match, yet I never had to do that prior to 1.0.9. A year from now, i'm worried this game will go back to the Brawl days of time outs being the constant norm. It's infuriating.

 

[Myst_R]

GUYS, YOU DO REALIZE THAT THE ONLY THING THAT WAS NERFED IS FSMASH KOING LIKE 4% LATER?!

In fact, as the KBG is a coefficient, we can't say we kill just 4% later. The knockback of our Fsmash just grow slower.

And to respond, the impact of that nerf is not the real problem, the problem is the will behind it. What does Nintendo wants to do ? What is the future of the game ? Which balance decision do they make ?

If you look at Blizzard's team or even PM Dev, you'll see that the balance doesn't only give balance, but allow characters to have their own style and fun.

Balance is a whole, I know it is very hard, I know we didn't figure out all the changes for now, but from what I can see, there is no sense in these balances, what is the final point ?

 

[Sonicjamareiz]

You guys are way past dramatic o.o

 

[Myst_R]

Yeah I agree about this overdramatic post ^^

Because, in the end, this balance patch seems to be worth it. But still, what pains me is that Nintendo seems to stay distant from their players, we would love to have a balance patch note, we would love to be heard, and more than everything, we would love to understand.

I admit that this new nerf, so small it is, affected me but finally, on the balance, it seems they were doing something good since characters like Palutena, Ike, Ganondorf or WFT are buffed and THIS is what I want to see (and an easier way to Dair with Sonic ;p)

 

[jordanm43444]

We essentially are the excat same as we were last patch. We could be off much MUCH worse that this,

 

[Smog Frog]

its not like i got a large amount of my kos with fsmash lol(my main method of KO was spin charge->nair...)

so anyways, with no DI it kills at 125% in the middle of fd(gets sparks at 126%)

what was it before?

 

[cerealkiller]

We essentially are the excat same as we were last patch. We could be off much MUCH worse that this,

What you say there is, essentially, correct. However, I'd just like to say that that's exactly what people said after every patch. Every time, it's not so bad because it's just a thing or two at a time, but (now they seem to see that) consecutive nerfs stack up and, together, can change a character a lot.

 

[AJDOH]

Not sure if I'm just seeing things, and maybe this is on patch notes already, but Sonic's bair Definitely feels alot faster.

edit :
So um..... Has sonic's Bair always been 16%?

 

[Luig]

Bair is 14% I believe.

 

[kid craft 24/sonic master]

Atleast we can say that we're the only character to have received nerfs every single patch......atleast thats something we can be proud of.....maybe.

 

[Luig]

I don't want to know what the devs motives oae for nerfing us.

 

[Crabman]

Now that the wii u is hackable I'm really hoping that a dev team will make a pm version of this game, I've decided that's the only way I'll ever be able to enjoy it

 

[UberMadman]

As a Sonic player, I was very happy with this patch. Honestly that FSmash nerf isn't even that bad, and almost the entirety of the rest of the cast got very good buffs. Yes knockback nerfs suck and are stupid, but we're still a high/top tier, so people should really stop overexaggerating. Killing 4% later with FSmash is not the end of the world, we've had worse nerfs.

 

[Luig]

No it is not, the problem is the intentions the dev team has for sonic.

 

[UberMadman]

No it is not, the problem is the intentions the dev team has for sonic.

Keep in mind Diddy and Greninja both got buffs this patch, and no nerfs. Wait till next patch and we'll see if they keep nerfing Sonic.

 

[Luig]

I hope we get some well deserved buffs, not that I'm complaining.

 

[Smog Frog]

we dont need buffs. is(and was) perfectly balanced and fine once bthrow got nerfed.

 

[Espy Rose]

Now that the wii u is hackable I'm really hoping that a dev team will make a pm version of this game, I've decided that's the only way I'll ever be able to enjoy it

Cam please ban him.

 

[Luig]

How about we ban placebo?

 

[Cerealisyummy5]

I hope we get some well deserved buffs, not that I'm complaining.

Lol Sonic needing buffs...good one.

 

[Luig]

I think Camalange is just lurking, laughing at our placebo and stupid arguments.

 

[AJDOH]

Bair is 14% I believe.

Guess that means bair got buffed, because I'm doing 16 in training. Maybe I have customs on? Let me check.

 

[JamesUK7]

Guess that means bair got buffed, because I'm doing 16 in training. Maybe I have customs on? Let me check.

Bair is still 14% just checked...

 

[Luig]

Were you playing against BJ?

 

[Mizzy Moe]

A lot of people hate Sonic because a lot of Sonic players play super campy with him and time out their opponents, yet Sakurai further nerfs Sonic's kill power.

i just wanted to zone in on this part because i have never seen/want to see a campy sonic that will time out people. ive got timeouts before while playin sonic sure but it was either the other person was campy and i had to case them around the whole stage or it was just generally a good match and i couldnt be as aggressive as id wanted to without losing

i understand tournaments have to end at some point but i find it alot more enjoyable to play on unlimited time, it stops time outs and for the most part discourages the crazy skill of run away until games over i dont know i just dont like people that run away the whole match to win and i hate timeout DX