Data FINAL: Confirmed 1.1.0 Patch Notes

[Luig]

I don't know. But actually, no matter how much they nerf him i won't drop him, or I'll at least keep him as a secondary.

 

[TwicH]

He's pretty much getting closer to his Brawl days after every patch.

Some random dude: "Good job racking up all the damage. Now you gotta go for the kill!"

You: "..................."

 

[Wnyke]

Stupid evo and their legal customs.... jk...

 

[Cerealisyummy5]

He's still a safe character and racks up % quick. It's not the end of the world...

 

[TwicH]

...but can he set up kills?

 

[Luig]

Yes but now you are better off using uthrow for koing instead of bthrow, utilt instead of dsmash, and ftilt instead of fsmash.
But we can cope.

 

[messiahfreak2000]

For those who can read it: http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/sonic.html

 

[Luig]

Yes I can but what does it mean?

 

[TwicH]

Might as well go back to my Brawl metagame. Rack up to 150-200% (depending on the character) and kill with Up-throw...

 

[Giovani44]

Is it true that smash has more end lag as well cause I haven't noticed any.

 

[theanjo]

For those who can read it: http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/sonic.html

It says that forward smash's knockback growth was reduced from 106 to 101. Take that how you will.

 

[kid craft 24/sonic master]

Gotta love how they treat all these other good characters with respect by altering their moves instead of outright nerfing them yet sonic gets hammered.

 

[messiahfreak2000]

And it looks like some sound was adjusted? Haven't tested yet but has anyone noticed anything?

 

[Solaris_Noid]

Gotta love how they treat all these other good characters with respect by altering their moves instead of outright nerfing them yet sonic gets hammered.

I main Lucario, I'm lucky that he's barely gotten any kind of changes from patches so far(but that could be a bad thing).

Still, I sub Sonic cause of character loyalty, and it sucks that it looks like he'll probably reduced to drunken game night tier along with my Toon Link.

 

[kid craft 24/sonic master]

Does the development team not understand that sonic not having access to viable KO options was the reason he was considered "bad" in brawl and that by nerfing his viable KO tools they are turning him slowly back into what he was before.....

 

[Luig]

They base some of their balancing off of fg results. I spotted a flaw with everything in that.

 

[TwicH]

Thank you Kid Craft!!!! I was waiting for someone else to say that! Every time I try saying that to others they are like "You need to stop crying and re-adapt to the changes."

THERE IS NOTHING TO ADAPT TO!!!!

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

They're punishing us for Sonic Boom and salty For Glory players. :/

 

[KeetZ]

At this point I am highly considering dropping Sonic. I really don't want to because I love playing the character, but it looks like you'll need to play like StaticM to get results and I'd much rather play a different character than to be a campy Sonic.
Only time will tell if I throw away hundreds of hours to venture off to find a new main because the dev. team can't perform their job fairly towards Sonic or to stick with him. I really don't know.

 

[TwicH]

I'd say we all play lame and give people a REAL reason to hate Sonic and then they will beg for Sonic to have changes that make his matches go faster.

 

[Luig]

I don't think the devs understand what balancing means.......

Because balancing sure as heck doesn't mean nerfing us more that Shiek.

 

[KeetZ]

We're going to have to be like Sheik, but without all the combos and autocancels.

 

[Rhus]

The Fox mains like myself are just as upset as you guys.

Their balancing is fairly off the wall for the characters that are performing well. Why wasn't Sheik murdered?

 

[Kuraudo]

Welp. If I don't drop him. Time to go for time outs every single time.

[EDIT]

If I'm gonna have a harder time killing, I might as well make it so you can't catch me.

 

[Cyberman6]

I can't wait for the Spin Dash nerfs next patch. (￣ー￣)

 

[KeetZ]

There wasn't a character that needed a nerf, but nerfing Fox or Sonic over Shiek is ridiculous.
I don't remember the last time a Fox placed high at a national and there were two Sonics in top 32 at EVO. Of course, people will continue to complain because now we aren't killing until the match is half way finished.

 

[jordanm43444]

So I just played around with Sonic.

Yall are being ******* about this, we barely got nerfed if we did at all. We lost a TINY bit of kill power but thats it, just need to rack up like 15% more.

 

[Luig]

Dantarion's data dump says the only difference is Fsmash kbg and SFX?
My day just might have gotten a whole lot better.

 

[Locuan]

Dantarion's data dump says the only difference is Fsmash kbg and SFX?
My day just might have gotten a whole lot better.

F-Smash KBG basically went from 106 -> 101. That's what the code means.
http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/sonic.html

 

[spiNR]

Dantarion's data dump says the only difference is Fsmash kbg and SFX?
My day just might have gotten a whole lot better.

I was told the same. I haven't been able to play yet but it could have been worse. I hope that's it for awhile because I don't want to end up like Brawl Sonic again.

 

[Luig]

My face right now:



Apparently was wrong. SORRY PLEASE DON'T KILL ME

 

[TwicH]

Sonic's kill moves are predictable and easy to avoid now. So we kinda already are back to Brawl Sonic...

 

[Damandatwin]

I'm more annoyed at the principle of the thing. For some reason Nintendo thinks Sonic are Fox are too strong but Sheik is totally fine. Are they high?

 

[spiNR]

I'm more annoyed at the principle of the thing. For some reason Nintendo thinks Sonic are Fox are too strong but Sheik is totally fine. Are they high?

Super Sonic and Landmaster though

 

[Luig]

I cannot use words to describe how relieved I am that we only got one nerf.

 

[KeetZ]

Placebos are real.

 

[Luig]

You know what, I'm going to say it....
**** placebo.

 

[Arhat]

In the meantime, check out my amiibo guide http://smashboards.com/guides/comprehensive-amiibo-training-table.541/

 

[Solaris_Noid]

I think more than half of your are salty that you suck at smash. In the meantime, check out my amiibo guide http://smashboards.com/guides/comprehensive-amiibo-training-table.541/

>says we all suck at smash
>promotes an amiibo training guide

wut

 

[Luig]

That is the best warning I have ever seen.
Well, we survived the bomb.