FF6 Mafia - GAME OVER! Mafia wins!

[giraffelasergun]

EBWODP: Meant you instead of italics.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Trying to sketch the nk is pointless until there's only one maf left. I'm guessing that you'll have to sketch the person who sends in the kill to reverse it, and the maf probably have 2+ people left, so they could mix up who is sending in the action.

Eg: if Swiss is scum, and you're going to sketch him, his maf buddy could send in the kill, and your sketch wouldn't do anything.

Just pointing this out.

 

[Overswarm]

@ Mod who is replacing in? Not Kat....please

Kat can't replace in. Looking for someone else.

Incom is still viable for a modkill, just FYI to everyone.

 

[Swiss]

rPSI if you can't substantiate why I should be shot, then shoot Nabe/Vanz.

I'm changing my stance to 'unsure' on BSL. He can track the Vanz/Nabe survivor. GLG can sketch me if he wants, but he's also going to keep open the option of sketching BSL.

Nabe what happened to obv scum Vanz? Why are we lynching J ahead of Vanz, if you know Vanz is scum and we all know J is town.


J dies not need to die if we kill a scum soon.


The following people are going to die in the following order.

Nabe, Vanz, Swiss, BSL. K?

If both Nabe and Vanz flip town then I will self hammer. You'll also have lost the game, because it means one of our confirmed townies is scum.

Someone tell me if my maths is wrong.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

A simple proof: why you are wrong.

Nabe what happened to obv scum Vanz? Why are we lynching J ahead of Vanz, if you know Vanz is scum and we all know J is town.

We have 9 people left. If we lynch 1 person toDay (someone who is not J), and we have 2 kills toNight (the mafia's kill, and rPSI's kill, neither of which are J), that leaves us with 6 people.

If we have 6 players left, the majority is 4/6 votes. That means that with a single vote added to his 3 mod votes, J can be lynched. We know there to be at least 1 mafia member remaining, because the game has not ended yet. Therefore, if J is alive when there are 6 players remaining, he can be lynched solely by the mafia.

However, we believe there to be 2 mafia members remaining, do we not? Not just 1. So, a 6-player situation would be 6-mylo, and the town would lose the game upon J's lynch. I think it's very clear that this is not a safe scenario.


Now, consider the possibility that rPSI makes no kill toNight. We have 9 players, so 1 lynch and 1 kill, neither of whom are J, leaves us with 7 players in total.

If we have 7 players left, the majority is 4/7 votes. That means that again, J can be lynched by a single vote. In this situation, however, it would be safe to lynch him, assuming that we have a maximum of 2 mafia members remaining, because the game could go on for an extra Day afterwards in 5-lylo.

All credit where it's due, that is a fairly safe scenario. But here's where the difference comes in: you're not looking for that scenario.

rPSI if you can't substantiate why I should be shot, then shoot Nabe/Vanz.

In this quote from your post, you tell rPSI that he should be making a kill. This can only mean that you are not pursuing the 7-player scenario. Instead, you are pursuing the 6-player scenario. You are pursuing the plan that is very likely to result in town loss.

Now, I'll make another distinction: a 6-player plan where J is still alive is only unsafe if a member of the mafia is not lynched toDay, and is not shot toNight. I'd like to make it clear that this is where my proof, the part that is 100% true to all players in the game, ends. After all, I am the only player who knows for certain that I am town.

J dies not need to die if we kill a scum soon.

The following people are going to die in the following order.

Nabe, Vanz, Swiss, BSL. K?

Here is absolutely the place where I need to stand my ground.

You are suggesting that I am lynched toDay, and that Vand is shot toNight. I know myself to be town. If Vand is also town, and there is a possibility that he is, then the town has lost the game.

I'd like to take the opportunity to remind everyone that my claim has already been partially substantiated. Like Vand, I have used my Ability Code in-thread to prove that I am who I say I am. Even more to my credit, GLG has told the town that he Sketched me Night 1. Of the trio of myself, Vand, and Swiss, I am the most proven, and Vand moreso than Swiss. But Swiss sees that to be reversed.

Swiss, you suggest yourself as the third death in the list, after myself and Vand. But with the plan that you are suggesting, the game ends before the town has a chance to lynch you. With rPSI shooting and J still being alive, toMorrow will be our last Day.

There is zero accountability for you and your claim involved in your plan. You are a claimed miller. Our cop investigated you and got a result of mafia. You have claimed absolutely no other ability. You are a liability to our town.

Swiss needs to go, and I implore everybody to read and understand what I've written and make the right choice. J needs to be lynched, and Swiss needs to be shot.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Vote: Swiss

 

[rPSIvysaur]

>that was me letting you know that you're dieing toNight

Vote: J

 

[Swiss]

In order to win like that, both scum need to out themselves to hammer J. GLG can sketch or, even better, rPSI can shoot one. 50/50 chance they lose the game. No scum will risk that.

You've been advocating J hammering DH ffs, that kills even more townies.

Also DH I noticed you thought I was scum because you don't believe I'm Kappa, Cello confirmed I am.

*Sigh* refreshed.

Fine. Town do as I say, rPSI has flipped on me because of Nabe and Vanz.


The people I have said are town ARE TOWN.

Nabe/Vanz/BSL are top suspects.

 

[Swiss]

I'd advocate a Nabe lynch toMorrow, with GLG sketching either Nabe or Vanz.

DO NOT END THE DAY UNTIL GOVA HAS POSTED WITH HIS INVESTIGATION RESULT.

If he has a guilty we lynch that player, if scum flip shoot Nabe/Swiss. If town flip shoot J.

 

[Swiss]

Also we'll wait for the townies to post before lynching J. Nabe and rPSI don't control town.

Gutted I bussed Zen and Seph, right? Jesus.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Gova, make sure you wait until OS announces you've officially replaced before posting. But yes, I agree that we need that result before we make final decisions.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Unvote

I'll wait on the results.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Dear Nabe,
Thanks for proving that Swiss is scum.
XOXO Your bffaeae.

 

[BSL]

Swiss, why would two scum have to out themselves, when only one vote kills J toMorrow?

 

[Swiss]

Wow. I made a fundamental mathematical error.

Half of 6 plus 1 isn't 5.

Yeah kill J then. Still think hitting scum in Vanz/Nabe is a better idea.

Also FYI if I were scum, y'all wouldn't be suspecting me.

 

[BSL]

Wow. I made a fundamental mathematical error.

Half of 6 plus 1 isn't 5.

or maybe you were just trying to slip by with your plan? hmm...

Also FYI if I were scum, y'all wouldn't be suspecting me.

LMAO

 

[vanderzant]

Only skimmed because I've got a swimming comp on these next 3 days but I'll still post tonight after I sleep. I don't think the deadline is that close anyway, but:

Also FYI if I were scum, y'all wouldn't be suspecting me.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

 

[BSL]

Trying to sketch the nk is pointless until there's only one maf left. I'm guessing that you'll have to sketch the person who sends in the kill to reverse it, and the maf probably have 2+ people left, so they could mix up who is sending in the action.

Eg: if Swiss is scum, and you're going to sketch him, his maf buddy could send in the kill, and your sketch wouldn't do anything.

Just pointing this out.

reread this page and didnt notice any commented on this.

that logic is terrible. almost as bad as swiss' math logic.
lets swap sketch with roleblock. the meaning hardly changes.

"Trying to roleblock the nk is pointless until there's only one maf left. I'm guessing that you'll have to roleblock the person who sends in the kill to block it, and the maf probably have 2+ people left, so they could mix up who is sending in the action.

Eg: if Swiss is scum, and you're going to roleblock him, his maf buddy could send in the kill, and your roleblock wouldn't do anything.

Just pointing this out."

what were you thinking, DH?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

If anything, I'd say that expecting the sketch to work in the same way as his roleblock paints him in a town light. Funnily enough. He also said "to reverse it" so it sounds like he had a different idea of what sketching even does.

Could you give us a 3-point list of your actions and results, BSL? Since we're recollecting all our info.

GLG, DH, could you do the same?

 

[BSL]

N1: Track MK. MK visited Tandora.
N2: Track Zen. Zen visited (punished)
N3: Track DH. DH visited no one.

with the Zen track, i got a seemingly random string of letters and numbers. none of the letters went past F, so i assumed it was hex, but it didnt translate into anything directly. Zen later claimed to have visited MK.

 

[vanderzant]

@Nabe: I'm fine with your plan.

*blows bubbles*

 

[Overswarm]

Gova replaces InferiorityComplex

 

[BSL]

ohai gova, how are ya?

 

[Swiss]

I've just done my maths (lol inorite?).

A mislynch toMorrow loses us the game. J will flip town, we all know this. I will flip town. Mafia NK will be a townie (might not be rPSI in all fairness). This leaves six people alive with two mafioso, mislynch loses us the game - assuming rPSI is alive and doesn't shoot scum.


Nabe, if I were to flip town, what alignment is Vanz? Same question to Vanz about Nabe. What does this imply of BSL?

I'm going to be clear that DH is TOWN and is not the lynch toMorrow. It WILL be one of my three suspects. Preferably Nabe or Vanz.


Also, GLG, apart from the fact that I've ****ing wrecked anti-towns this game and been right about townie mislynches, why are you trusting Nabe again? His post showed what? That I wanted to follow a course of action that required us to lynch or shoot scum toDay (with a primary school mathematical error thrown in to boot). Duh we lose faster if we don't - do I look like the kind of guy cares about other people's opinions? You guys almost deserve to lose this, Jesus.

@ DH sometimes one scum HAS to be the 'killer' and they can't change it, FYI. Anyway, this is why GLG ISN'T saying who he's sketching toNight - as that would be an even more ******** play.



@ Town and everyone in this game who doesn't have a brain.

Nabe what happened to obv scum Vanz? Why are we lynching J ahead of Vanz, if you know Vanz is scum and we all know J is town.

Nabe answered this by saying that if we mislynched on Vanz, we would lose the game. It's all very well to 'follow the pro town plan', but if you know someone is scum, you oush them. Yet he is almost certain Vanz in scum, in fact, if he were town I'd go so far as to say it's confirmed. Yet he then pushes for ME to be shot at night, and not Vanz. I am certain one of these guys is scum, possibly both.

Short of rPSI magically understanding this game you guys have the entire game riding on the lynch toMorrow.

 

[Swiss]

I will say this again, and be very, very clear.

IF WE KILL BOTH NABE AND VANZ THERE WILL NOT BE TWO SCUM LEFT ALIVE. AND SO THE 6 MAN LYLO SITUATION WILL NOT HAPPEN. AND SO WHY NABE SAID I WAS WRONG IS, INFACT, NOT WRONG AT ALL.

K, does anyone see the light?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

@ DH sometimes one scum HAS to be the 'killer' and they can't change it, FYI. Anyway, this is why GLG ISN'T saying who he's sketching toNight - as that would be an even more ******** play.

I know, but hitmans are pretty rare from what i've seen.

 

[Swiss]

It's not just hitmans that have to do it. If a scum team is seen as powerful, an easy way to limit them is to prioritise scum so that player A submits the kill, and only when they die can player B take over.

I'd say one in three games maybe have this. I forget my own roles.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

reread this page and didnt notice any commented on this.

that logic is terrible. almost as bad as swiss' math logic.
lets swap sketch with roleblock. the meaning hardly changes.

"Trying to roleblock the nk is pointless until there's only one maf left. I'm guessing that you'll have to roleblock the person who sends in the kill to block it, and the maf probably have 2+ people left, so they could mix up who is sending in the action.

Eg: if Swiss is scum, and you're going to roleblock him, his maf buddy could send in the kill, and your roleblock wouldn't do anything.

Just pointing this out."

what were you thinking, DH?

tsk tsk tsk, strawmanning...

Sketch seems to reverse an action, my roleblock just seems to stop abilities from being used. They're two different things.

Sorry if i'm wrong glg, but does the person have to perform a action for the sketch to work?

n1: roleblocked tan (screw you r >_>)
n2: nobody
n3: nobody

I only roleblock if i'm 100% sure it would help the town.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

It's not just hitmans that have to do it. If a scum team is seen as powerful, an easy way to limit them is to prioritise scum so that player A submits the kill, and only when they die can player B take over.

I'd say one in three games maybe have this. I forget my own roles.

But if glg is notifying of who he's sketching, they could have the other guy send it in.

Since scum A didn't send it the kill, he pretty much didn't commit the kill, and therefore sketch shouldn't activate.

Also, your odds are way off, i've only seen one game where there was a hitman (unless your talking about scum priorities, then you're probably right there).

But, it doesn't seem like whoever is sending in the kill is set in stone for your second example. Therefore, trying to sketch the nk would be useless all the same.

 

[Swiss]

It's not just hitmans, no. I'm saying we don't actually know the scum set-up. I'm also saying that GLG will NOT be saying who he sketches.

I'm deliberating over you not roleblocking again. You will not roleblock rPSI regardless.

K.

GLG sketches Vanz, DH blocks Nabe (or the other way round, I don't care). BSL tracks whoever.

I'm liable to change this at my whim, but it'll do for now.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Swiss I'm sketching you though .

 

[Swiss]

OK. Even better.

rPSI can shoot Nabe or Vanz then.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Also DH, if we go into the night phase with 8 and since I won't be targeting myself or Are-Sigh since he is more than likely the vig there is at least a 16% chance based off of statistics alone and not including anything else I'll kill a mafia member tonight.

Also, n1 I targeted Nabe and I didn't get a pm back at all which worries me because when I targeted incom last night I got the result that my action failed.

Nabe, what did you do night 1?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Wait...your action failed?

 

[giraffelasergun]

If the person I target doesn't do anything on the night I target them I get the result "action failed".

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Oh.

Wow, I thought that meant that you were roleblocked or something.

 

[BSL]

tsk tsk tsk, strawmanning...

Sketch seems to reverse an action, my roleblock just seems to stop abilities from being used. They're two different things.

2 things.

1) explain how it is strawmanning. dont just say strawmanning. its baseless.

2) how is reversing different from roleblocking, in terms of stopping the kill? reversing also stops it, so my scenario still holds

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

1. Your "evidence" is simply twisting my point an using it as a point. Strawmanning in a nutshell.

2. I actually don't think there's a difference between the roles in terms of stopping them: you would have to target the hitman or the person sending in the kill.

 

[giraffelasergun]

2) how is reversing different from roleblocking, in terms of stopping the kill? reversing also stops it, so my scenario still holds

I don't reverse. If I target the killer they would still kill their target.

 

[Gova]

Hey, so I'm still looking for things to catch up but I have a few quick questions...

It seems like everyone is confused about GLG's role even though he's stateed it multiple times and I'd just like to confirm this. GLG your sketch thing is when someone uses an ability, you get to use that ability on the person that used it correct?

Nabe, if Cello's cop results come up "mafia" or "not mafia" what does that mean for Swiss? Millers aren't mafia so he should have come not mafia unless I'm mistaken.