FF6 Mafia - GAME OVER! Mafia wins!

[M.K]

Considering that he joins the party, its a pretty good guess that he would be town aligned.

Maybe he's some sort of vig who doesn't appear to waysides and trackers.

Horrible assumption.

Based on a few reasons:

1) Cello's statement about Strago.

2) Mod's warning about relying on flavor.

I don't like this assumption in the least.

 

[X1-12]

****, just closed the tab with this post. here it goes again

@ Vanz/Cello. Bump rPSI up that list imo.

MK telling him to claim was terribad play.

X1, would you hammer DH?

Unvote Vote BSL

Yup

Swiss, I'm going to come to you for questions about X1 because I'm being ignored.
Is it like X1 to make a lot of votes in the first day for varied reasons, or is it part of him trying different things like you seem to be getting at here?

There's some things you just gotta do

Anyway Plan:

D1: DH for reasons already explained, looking scummy weak claim, eager to claim. might be bomb and I want to get rid of that possibility now. Lots of info from his flip

D2: Nabe cause
#465: he is just looking for a wagon to hop and jumping on the easiest lynches - same in #300 He also doesn't feel at all involved in the game, just like he's sitting on the outskirts, doesn't remind me of his recent town play either

unvote vote nabe

 

[X1-12]

D3: BSL for this

I feel like I could be purple. Why am I red? Do I fit perfectly in the red category? Or am I just mostly red?

Unvote
Vote: Dark Horse

@DH: Does your role have a name? not Char name, ROLE name i.e

Cyan, _____ ______

like bold/underlined bit

Hello, Sir Bedevere. You are Dr. Wily (Megaman)- Town Tinkerer!

if so then what is it?

Do your abilites have names? if so what are they?


If you answer this I guarantee you will not be modkilled (just don't call it a quote), but if you refuse to answer I guarantee you WILL be lynched

 

[Swiss]

Oh, X1.

Really? Unlucky. Cbf checking the mechanics of it right now. Cello probably will.

 

[Swiss]

K so I looked it over.

Yeah you are willing to hammer when you'll die hammering. How sure are you he'll flip anti-town? Would you hammer right now if we wagoned DH?

 

[X1-12]

Want his answers to my questions first, and I'm under the impression I wouldn't die for hammering him toDay. If this were the case, any of Nabe, BSL or GLG can hammer - in that order of preference.

@DH: If you are hammered toDay, does the one who hammered die? I'm really not clear on it

Incase I'm wrong about DH ability, and because I want his answers before he dies.

Unvote
Vote: Nabe

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Vote X1

I don't like how you're all over the place with your votes. You don't even stick to one long enough to scum hunt. I wouldn't mind you for a Day 1 lynch.

 

[Overswarm]

J (2) - MOD, MOD
Dark Horse (4) - Nabe, Tandora, RocketPSIence, J,
Cello Marl (1) - Meta-Kirby
X1-12 (1) - Sephiroths Masamune,
BSL (3) - giraffelasergun, Vanderzant, Swiss,
Nabe (2) - Zen, X1-12,
RocketPSIence (1) -Dark Horse,
Meta-Kirby (1) - Xatres


Not voting: Cello_Marl, InferiorityComplex, BSL


With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch
A deadline has been set for Tuesday, November 23rd at 3 p.m., EST.

 

[Cello_Marl]

DH's ability is that he can roleblock each Night, and kills whoever hammers him. If he votes for a townie who is lynched, then he loses both abilities the following Day. So, whoever hammers him toDay will die. This is the most sensible way it would be written.

While this means we COULD simply lynch him now and use it as a second lynch, I don't want to because we can determine FOR A FACT whether or not he is lying to us. PROVABLE POWER. Ultimately, he's going to die by proving it. That makes it OK. Conversely, if he WASN'T going to die proving it, that WOULDN'T be OK.

@Tandora: Cyan's 2nd level power is Retort, and is an actual counterattack. His 6th is Stunner, which casts Stop on the target (i.e. roleblocking). Vote for SephMasa with me pretty please with sugar on top? It'll be worth it. Also, when you said "it would be suicide", did you mean that as in you are a high-profile character or it will actually kill you? I was assuming the former, but I could see the latter.

@Vanderzant: The combination of SephMasa appearing to consider the ramifications of DH's claim and yet being willing to lynch him is enough to push my opinion of him over to mafia. He's our best bet for toDay. Our real task at the moment is getting the 9 people we need. You are on board. X1 is inherently unstable, but may be salvageable via Swiss. Convince Swiss to move his vote to SephMasa and to convince X1 to join him. I'll try to work on Tanny, who will work on J. GLG will hammer, so we need two more people. Xatres and InCom are our best bets, maybe MK.

@MK: I'll make you a deal. As long as I'm alive, I'll endorse you as town. The instant I hit the grave, I change my mind to town/indy.

@Swiss: DH claiming was a Good Thing. We can now devote our energies toward useful projects and actually have the time to accomplish them.

@DH: I had actually briefly considered Cyan, but changed my mind for some reason. I'll blame it on lack of sleep. Not like that matters. Anyway, about your roleblocking power, if you can use it toNight, target whoever of SephMasa, BSL, or RPSI that we don't lynch toDay. DO NOT target Tandora, J, Swiss, Vand, Xatres, GLG, or MK, assuming he agrees to my proposal.

Oh, there was one clarification I needed. You said that if you VOTE for a townie that gets lynched, then you lose your powers. Does that only count if you are actually voting for that townie when they get lynched, or if you voted for that townie at any time during the Day?

On that note, assuming that the only two potential lynch candidates for the Day were you or SephMasa, would you be willing to vote for SephMasa?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

@Vanderzant: The combination of SephMasa appearing to consider the ramifications of DH's claim and yet being willing to lynch him is enough to push my opinion of him over to mafia.

Is this your only reason? Because it's kinda hypocritical since you still want to lynch him.

 

[Swiss]

I don't like the way MK did it, Cello. We didn't need a claim out of DH before dropping him. Works out, though.

I'll roll with Seph as a lynch, more due to his #487 than his #438. I shouldn't need to convince X1, town-X1 wouldn't ever forgive Seph for his #487.

Unvote Vote Seph

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

^Can you be more specific? I fail to see why that would make me scummy.

 

[Swiss]

X1 isn't all over the place with his votes. I changed my mind. It's a null tell. Plus his votes have all been substantiated.

Also X1 will take it a massive scum tell that you're willing to lynch him for not scumhunting properly - especially when you haven't been scumhunting.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Can't you see thats what I was trying to do? I usually do my best when it's me going back and forth with another player.

Don't you think it's odd that he votes in almost every post? Just because all of his votes have been on relitively scummy people, doesn't mean that he isn't all over the place.

If I were to say "Oh BSL is scummy lets vote him next!" and then in my next post say "Nabe has been going for easy lynches lets get him!". Would this be a town read for you?

 

[Swiss]

Thinking something odd does not equate to thinking something scummy.

 

[Tandora]

@Tandora: Cyan's 2nd level power is Retort, and is an actual counterattack. His 6th is Stunner, which casts Stop on the target (i.e. roleblocking). Vote for SephMasa with me pretty please with sugar on top? It'll be worth it. Also, when you said "it would be suicide", did you mean that as in you are a high-profile character or it will actually kill you? I was assuming the former, but I could see the latter.

UNVOTE

It's the former. I would have to announce my character to use the ability.

Are you wanting to keep DH alive because you believe he is town or because you think he is a useful tool for later? I'm new to this hand holding thing and don't want to be a brainless lemming that will jump off a cliff just because the guy in front of me did.

For now, I'm going to trust you and take a leap of faith.

VOTE SEPH

 

[Xatres]

@Seph: I can see what you're saying about X1. I've been noticing the rabid vote changing as well, particularly on this page. I'm not sure if it's enough to lynch him yet. I think he and I can still be friends a while yet.

Likewise, I'm not sure if we have enough to lynch you yet. I'd personally prefer it if we put pressure on MK now, since he's been scummier in my eyes than either you or X1. I might be a bit biased though, since he went after me for playing conservative and is now ignoring my posts completely.

@MK: You ask me to make cases on people and then ignore me? What do you think of what I had to say about the way you got DH to claim?

 

[M.K]

Seph has sound reasoning. Opinions should not fluctuate so wildly. Swiss you see nothing wrong with this?

 

[Swiss]

I thought it was pretty obv to be honest.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Oh, there was one clarification I needed. You said that if you VOTE for a townie that gets lynched, then you lose your powers. Does that only count if you are actually voting for that townie when they get lynched, or if you voted for that townie at any time during the Day?

I'm assuming it's the former. OS wasn't specific.

@X1 ROleblocker

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

@Swiss rabid voting isn't scummy.

(I type in white when I'm in a hurry)

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

@MK it might be odd, but how is it a sign of scumminess?

 

[M.K]

Omg Xastres "entitled to response".

Can you chill!? I'm on my phone driving in the middle of downtown Raleigh. Sorry I don't have the time to respond to your "case".

"Mommy I breathed again, I deserve some cookies"

Nah. Ho" dup.

 

[Swiss]

I'm assuming it's the former. OS wasn't specific.

@X1 ROleblocker

Why have you been throwing your vote around so much then? I'd have not voted/votes sparingly.



@ Vanz & Nabe - If I was told to pick a banana every time I walked past a banana tree (regardless of my willingness to pick a banana), would I get paid at the end of the day? How? Why would I be stealing the bananas as opposed to just saying that I had to pick bananas?

On second thoughts, X1, answer that too.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Why have you been throwing your vote around so much then? I'd have not voted/votes sparingly.

The people that I voted for where almost certainly scum ATM.

 

[Swiss]

Rephrase.

Certainly scum then, or now?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Then.

Now for my current vote.

 

[M.K]

I dunno, the vote throwing around. Reminds me of a scum who doesn't have to scumhunt, but simply jump on any suspicious player

 

[Xatres]

@MK: Part of scumhunting is making observations, asking questions, and expecting answers. If you just ignore it when someone says something you do is scummy and asks you to respond, it might make you come off as MORE scummy. If you've got a good explanation for your wording in getting DH to claim or if you just want to admit to being manipulative, let's hear it.

But please don't flip out when I ask you why you ignore something I posted from last night, when clearly you've been able to post between now and then. Unwarranted hostility is scummy too.

 

[X1-12]

@MK: I thought you said you had ok-to-good meta on me. I laugh at you, with scorn.

@Xatres: I meant to ask what your opinion of J was, if you ignore his restriction and treat it as a null tell I think it wasn't very clear as you started talking about OS. NVM can you tell me your thoughts on DH, Nabe, BSL and Swiss. Mainly focusing on if you had to pick one of them for lynch which one would it be. Explain why as well please

I'm assuming it's the former. OS wasn't specific.

@X1 ROleblocker

Answer the question properly

you are Cyan, Roleblocker? Correct?

And the name of your ability is Roleblock? Yes/No

@ Vanz & Nabe - If I was told to pick a banana every time I walked past a banana tree (regardless of my willingness to pick a banana), would I get paid at the end of the day? How? Why would I be stealing the bananas as opposed to just saying that I had to pick bananas?

On second thoughts, X1, answer that too.

Manning up is in order.



Seph is being dumb

Unvote
Vote: Sephiroths Masasmune

MK is being slightly dumb, but less so.

Addition to my previous plan

D4: Swiss

for reasons I'll never be able to explain, I'll give it a shot when I need to

 

[rPSIvysaur]

So Cello, do I vote Seph now?

 

[Swiss]

rPSI - Cello isn't here. But he wants you to - you should do it.


Nabe, Vanz - you can ignore the banana question for now.

X1 - I want a more banana orientated answer. This is me, you'll not get away with it. Assume I'm town.

 

[X1-12]

rPSI - Cello isn't here. But he wants you to - you should do it.


Nabe, Vanz - you can ignore the banana question for now.

X1 - I want a more banana orientated answer. This is me, you'll not get away with it. Assume I'm town.

Ok

Man up and don't pick bananas just because you are told to

If you do pick up bananas, man up and take responsbility for doing so

I thought it was pretty clear and I'm not gonna talk anymore about this its just not helpful

Unvote
Vote: Swiss



@Nabe: What do you think of intentionally winding up players in an effort to scum hunt

Also what do you think of MK (yes implication of linking the above question)

 

[rPSIvysaur]

First, we'll assume that DH didn't make up his role, something I think everyone can agree on. We WANT someone to die, BSL. That will put us to an odd number of people.

Assuming there are two kills per night from either vig or SK, we will go 16:13:10:7:4. With an additional kill from DH's hammer toMorrow or the Day after, we'll probably get to 16:12:9:6:3 or 16:13:9:6:3, which prevents scum from taking advantage of J in 4-person LyLo.

If there is just one, then it's 16:14:12:10:8:6:4. Same basic idea.

Besides, we can choose toMorrow's "lynch", and simply force that person to hammer DH. If they refuse, we lynch them normally and can continue to take advantage of DH's ability to counter-kill. That will get rid of DH AND scum. If we are planning on lynching DH anyway, we're giving ourselves a free additional lynch.

If we screw up and lynch town, we simply lynch someone that isn't DH until we DO hit scum.

I really dislike this. You're assuming too much. First of all, there's no guarantee that J will even survive until LyLo. If he is town, I can see him being an easy target for scum. We assume him to be town (atm at least) and therefore mafia will likely want to get rid of people we are nearly sure of. He's pretty easy as a target because I don't really see him doing much and he makes very few enemies. There's little risk for mafia to take in regards to NK'ing J. If he does get into late game, I would be a little hesitant assuming he's town on the base of his post restriction. It's fine to say he's town early game when we have 16 players and there's other priorities, but I hate deciding whether or not he's truly town early game.

I'm also failing to see how J is helpful for town in a LyLo situation altogether.

There's also a lot of variables that could go wrong in this plan, such as a doctor protecting someone, or a serial killer opting not to kill for one night. It's not in a serial killer's best interest to put J in a 4 way LyLo, so he's not going to cooperate with you.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Bananhuh?

D2: Nabe cause
#465: he is just looking for a wagon to hop and jumping on the easiest lynches - same in #300 He also doesn't feel at all involved in the game, just like he's sitting on the outskirts, doesn't remind me of his recent town play either

unvote vote nabe

Lots of weird things with this post. From the top:

465: went to a funeral, came back, popped off a couple sentences on the current situation and went to bed. 300: answered a question that was directed at me about my thoughts on certain players.

You're attempting to make some kind of point about me looking for wagons and jumping on lynches, when in reality I've kept a consistent vote throughout the game. To back this point up, you bring up a couple posts and don't elaborate on what it is about those posts that you think supports your point.

As for me being involved with the thread or not, I'm not sure what you mean. From my point of view, you're the one who's not involved in the thread. You make votes left and right with sticking to them, and every post I address to you goes ignored.

Then you vote for me. There's nothing unusual there, since I'm the player you keep coming back to. But what is unusual is how you clearly label me as the D2 lynch, and DH as the D1 lynch, in this same post. Yet, you voted for me. Odd.


P.S. Someone else should feel free to respond to this post for him, since he's openly ignoring me at this point anyway. Anyone will do.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

@X - U so silly.

 

[Swiss]

Do you just pick bananas because you have to, or do you eventually get paid for picking bananas?

Who's your ideal lynch toDay again?

 

[X1-12]

If you pick your bananas well enough you will get paid

DH (most likely) need to hear from him since he failed to answer my previous question properly I'm thinking now it might actually be a good idea to get rid of Nabe first though, idk. I would land my vote oh SephMasa if needed idrk. I'd prefer Nabe or BSL methinks. BSL isn't posting much since he got into heat yesterday or day before (irl days) which is interesting to say the least


Unvote
Vote: Dark Horse
Vote can stay there for now

Can someone (you) tell Nabe to drop the whole 'erratic voting' thing he keeps going on at me about?

Rpsi: (lol capz): i dunno what the 'u so silly' post means

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

oh, it talks.

@Nabe: What do you think of intentionally winding up players in an effort to scum hunt

Also what do you think of MK (yes implication of linking the above question)

I'd say that sounds like a pretty poor strategy, unless you were confident of your read on the player you were winding up.

You think that MK is intentionally winding people up?
I don't know if I think that's true, but I'll iso MK tonight and wrap it in a full post.
I don't have a read on him right now, per se. He's the type of player I would look at in D2, rather than D1.

 

[Swiss]

K, I wanted to get a read on X1. But in all fairness him voting a lot is pretty null. Ignore it.

Unless Cello tells you not to.