Fate/Mafia 2 - ENDGAME: And just let him ****ing die? - TOWN VICTORY

[Ura]

Unvote: White

Vote: Maven

Let's just put an end to this before Mafia can continue to lie through their teeth and buy time.

 

[Wolfie557]

Wait, didn’t Ura recharge White?

So shouldn’t white have a second motion detector out?

I only used up the poison when he did so I got confirmation poison is back.

 

[Ura]

I'm going to be kicking myself that I chose to recharge White instead of Chu in Night 2.

Hindsight being what it is, it was a stupid decision that only lead us to this big mess.

To think this all started because of Nabe's misguided PM that got me to distrust Vaan and Chu so much.

 

[Maven89]

white wasn’t playing like this early on. He was scum hunting and not baiting a lynch. Now at the end he’s being dumb. He probably just doesn’t give a ****

 

[Maven89]

Unvote: White

Vote: Maven

Let's just put an end to this before Mafia can continue to lie through their teeth and buy time.

I’m the only useable PR left guy. You guys never had a reason to scum read me other than me not wanting to play the game your way night 2. That’s literally it. I haven’t gotten a single town lynched or defended a single scum. My night actions always lined up with what I claimed.

 

[Maven89]

Now I really am going to bed

 

[Ura]

Nah, I believe Vaan in him saying that White needs a lynch to win.

Really, the only two people who stood to gain from Yellow being killed were Maven and Opo. It's basically process of elimination.

 

[vaanrose]

I’m the only useable PR left guy. You guys never had a reason to scum read me other than me not wanting to play the game your way night 2. That’s literally it. I haven’t gotten a single town lynched or defended a single scum. My night actions always lined up with what I claimed.

I mean, you did vote for Shiny.

 

[Ura]

And yeah I need to sleep as well. Gonna be busy for most of tomorrow.

 

[Wolfie557]

It sounds more like you're covering your tracks. Do you have any powers left at all, or are you just a regular townie now?

He's no priority. He has time to die of poison he doesn't have anything to use in the night.

 

[Wolfie557]

Well couldn't he ask for the hostkill in the Day phase?

Which is why double lynching Maven and White is the best solution. Gives White what he wants and doesn't give Mafia the opportunity to outnumber town.

But doesn't that mean mafia gets 2 free kills lmao...

 

[Wolfie557]

White has asked me to lynch him. He warned me not to let him be nightkilled because then his role wouldn't be revealed.

Despite me being literally his only advocate, he keeps implying I'm the suspicious one or repeatedly voting for me. Because he wants me to turn against him.

You don't all see something fishy with this behavior? Someone desperate enough for the noose they'll ask for it directly and then try to turn their one ally against them to get it? And he uses the poison on the one person whose skill he'd know to be completely true and thus should trust the most?

I remember being on a team with a mafia recahrger tho

I'm just saying lynch me if u don't want to lynch anyone

I play scummy but I tell the truth. Unless I'm mafia where I play extra scummy and always lose as mafia.

 

[Opossum]

Come to think of it, there are six of us left.

At absolute most there's one Mafia one third party. I'm convinced we have four townies.

If we vote No Lynch, or just don't vote at all, no one dies. Mafia kills someone and five are left. Presumably three townies, a third party, and a Mafia. By then we should have a clear enough idea who the Mafia is to lynch them without fear of LyLo.

Or I'm spouting nonsense because it's late.

 

[Wolfie557]

I legit never heard about that.

If that's the case then I can understand why White did what he did. To get us to hate him and lynch him.

So with that in mind I don't want White to get lynched. His poison is effectively useless now with praline and Vaan being immune so just let him be.

I won my game already. I'm content.

 

[Wolfie557]

I'm convinced there are 2 mafias left.

No 3rd party at all.

 

[Wolfie557]

Vote: Praline.

I'm going back to the thought process from a few days ago.

Mafia should have some protection against poison right.

 

[Wolfie557]

Prove me wrong please......

 

[Wolfie557]

I remember being on a team with a mafia recahrger tho

I'm just saying lynch me if u don't want to lynch anyone

I play scummy but I tell the truth. Unless I'm mafia where I play extra scummy and always lose as mafia.

Also I was just saying best if I live but if I had to choose between night or day kill then lynch.

I asked for me to be lynched cos no idea who mafia is and knew I'd have votes on me anyway .

Mafia have nothing to gain by killing me at night unless maven is mafia since trap is on him. They won't know who's side I'm on but they prob don't need to. I'm most likely not dying tonight unless Vaan kills me.

Me and Ura can't do anything at night. Ura has a death sentence on him too.

I just did not want town to go into chaos if I died at night and didn't tell anyone it's a passive skill NOT a mafia janitor.

I mean my convo with Uni should have told them something but whatever.

My question is.


Why is neither the doc or the vig dead? I thought oppo would be protecting vaan but oppo himself had NO protection.

I'm not convinced on praline but I don't see reason to trust she is town. 50/50 for me. Simply best chances from my view.

This is how clueless I am lmao

 

[Wolfie557]

I think everyone should list their passive skillz. Show me your moves.

 

[vaanrose]

why is neither the doc or the vig dead? I thought oppo would be protecting vaan but oppo himself had NO protection.

Praline can't kill me. She's admitted she's a dragon herself.

Maven had reason to believe he couldn't kill me. I told the whole thread the person I can kill can't kill me.

 

[Wolfie557]

Cool so then why did praline pick yellow over oppo and votes between oppo and praline are very similar

 

[vaanrose]

Cool so then why did praline pick yellow over oppo and votes between oppo and praline are very similar

You mean why would mafia!Praline kill yellow instead of Opo? She was in on the plan for Yellow to track Maven and Opo last night, not herself. You could argue it was to protect an ally, but if it was mafia!Praline doing the kill, mafia!Opo or mafia!Maven would have been cleared by Yellow.

 

[Wolfie557]

You know what?

There is no vig. I am the vig.

My flavour implies I should do a very good job.

 

[Wolfie557]

Just like how there is no cop either.

 

[vaanrose]

You know what?

There is no vig. I am the vig.

My flavour implies I should do a very good job.

Poisoning a townie isn't doing a very good job.

But that's none of my business.

 

[vaanrose]

4 mafia in a 14 player setup isn't out of the question. But with three town roles that can kill (one which takes themselves out, too) I think the potential is too great for the game to end early. I'm leaning more toward 3 mafia.

 

[Wolfie557]

That's because there's 2 town roles that can kill perhaps

 

[vaanrose]

That's because there's 2 town roles that can kill perhaps

Yes, alright, two towns and a third party, White. Still not lynching you.

 

[vaanrose]

If Opo is mafia, he can't be working alone, because he was jailed. Lynching him means there's guaranteed one mafia member left that has to be taken care of tonight. And if he is town, there could be two left. It makes no sense to me to lynch him under these circumstances.

But by lynching Ura, Praline or Maven, there's a chance they are working alone, and the game will end.

Ruling out White because despite his best efforts, I still don't think he's mafia.

 

[Wolfie557]

Ruling out White because despite his best efforts, I still don't think he's mafia.

Well, **** then.

 

[vaanrose]

I'm still, ultimately, of the opinion that Uni flopping Mafia establishes White as Town.

And White getting his poison back helps establish Ura as Town, even if White himself doesn't see it that way. Plus just the general way Ura has played the game, I just never got a scum vibe from him, even when he was super biased against me in the beginning.

I still largely feel that Opo and Maven having no history of claims or actions before I revealed everyone else's on day 3 makes them the most likely candidates for mafia. It's just how I see the game. If you don't trust anyone, all that happens in the end is nobody trusts you.

But I'm going to be voting Maven, for one reason.

Ten minutes before the end of night two, Pokechu gets cold feet about my plan. I have everyone's claim but Maven's and Opo's. Nobody else had either of their claims, either. Almost everyone had shared with me what they'd be doing that night, too. I had Yellow tracking Opo, so all I needed was someone to take care of Maven, and my two biggest mafia reads were covered. But Pokechu runs to Maven, and comes back with this:

well, i think i may have gotten intel on maven's role from someone

and i don't think it's something i should redirect

Pokechu's final message to me. By Maven's own admission, this "someone" was himself.

I’m a jack of all trades backup. I gain a one shot when a PR dies, specifically the jailer, tracker and vig. The only person I told this to was Pokechu, who I told not to tell people. Pokechu said Vaan pressures him so he told Vaan someone else told him my role, but that’s not true.

Pokechu ran to my biggest scum read and told him my plan, was convinced to not follow through with it, and wound up dead for his trouble.

But what really cinches it for me? Pokechu had one of the best roles in the game. Sure, he was one-shot, but Ura had already told people he was a recharger. A watcher and a redirector are both extremely powerful, both capable of ruining the mafia's whole game.

they told me that they themselves shouldn't be spreading it, but they trusted me due to how i went suicide D1

And Maven told Chu he trusted him, believed he was town.

So why then, did Maven not jail him? Maven had access to one of the most powerful roles in the game, capable of keeping a town player safe, and it would have prevented him from wasting his redirect. But he left Chu out in the cold.

 

[vaanrose]

Vote: Maven

#JusticeForChu

 

[Maven89]

Vaan, we went over that previously. You are wrong again because jailing someone counts as an RB towards their roles and one shots that are blocked are not given back.

Vaan is clearly not capable of readjusting, he has the idea I’m scum and he’s going to force the puzzle piece to fit no matter what he has to misread or ignore. Why am I alive Vaan? Can Praline block poison or not? Why would a townie be able to poison people? Why is white saying he already met his objective? Why is Uni flipping scum proof of White being town? I don’t expect him to answer, and if he does I have no doubt it’ll be riddled with errors or colossal leaps of logic to keep his earlier conclusions. So whatever. Lynch me all you want, at least this way I can point at vaan in post game and laugh as white or scum win

 

[Maven89]

I honestly believe Praline could post right now going "Sorry i got my role wrong I'm actually an RB teehee" and Vaan would still push me instead

 

[praline]

If I’m a role blocker that’s news to me. I mean I guess it’s possible but it literally says nothing about it.

 

[Ura]

Gonna be gone for most of the day but will most likely be back an hour before the day phase ends.

 

[Deleted member]

Frankly, I'm calling in the mods on this one, because they've changed the rules from how we've done it before without telling us already (PM quoting).

@Natz~ @Shishœ

Can a mafia player perform an action and a kill on the same night?

A Mafioso can kill and act on the same Night

 

[Wolfie557]

As far as I'm concerned vaan praline oppo and probs maven haven't proved their roles.

All of Mavens questions are completely valid.

 

[Wolfie557]

Oh apparently he couldn't kill maven anymore cos praline and or vaan conviently didn't make sure it will work.

 

[Maven89]

If I’m a role blocker that’s news to me. I mean I guess it’s possible but it literally says nothing about it.

I wasn’t calling you a role blocker, I was using that as an example