Fate/Mafia 2 - ENDGAME: And just let him ****ing die? - TOWN VICTORY

[vaanrose]

which might explain why he wanted me to poison oppo or praline ( I think can't remember the latter option for sure)

I wanted to poison Opo. I told you I trust praline.

 

[vaanrose]

What other action do you have?

I'm talking about the mafia kill. Like in mario mafia, whoever performed the mafia kill couldn't use an action.

 

[Opossum]

So what else do we know about Ura?

 

[vaanrose]

So what else do we know about Ura?

That he spent last night trying to take every form of protection for himself.

 

[Ura]

Maven was supposed to die as far as I knew. Oppo didn't wanna posion cos risky town doc kill. Praline risk she could be immune to poisons herself and like I said dunno if she is mafia antidote anymore after the last flips. Vaan is hard to believe would be Mafiafor 5th time in a row and is bussing on 2 mafia members and asked him to lynch me today. So it was you or yellow or praline so since yellow was informative role he was more likely to die so your the insurance policy if maven wasn't mafia and we had no idea who is in the day either.

But 90% mainly thought it would be fun if I posion you after you recharge it been waiting to do it for a while! XD

Your logic is completely wack and quite frankly full of crap.

Unvote: Maven

Vote: White

Screw you.

 

[vaanrose]

Frankly, I'm calling in the mods on this one, because they've changed the rules from how we've done it before without telling us already (PM quoting).

Natz~ @Shishœ

Can a mafia player perform an action and a kill on the same night?

 

[Ura]

That he spent last night trying to take every form of protection for himself.

I was trying to protect Yellow not myself.

Hence me getting praline to use the immunity on Yellow which he never did and getting Opo to tell Maven to make me Mafia's kill. Granted I don't know 100% if Opo is Mafia but that was the purpose of tracking him and Maven. Obv someone didn't want that tracking to go through.

 

[Maven89]

I'm going to bed. I'm going to be incredibly busy tomorrow at work so I probably won't get a chance to post again during the day phase. Last time I was active in the day then had to work hard you guys lynched Bardull so i'm wary

I was entirely ready to just die and not give a **** about the game, but not being vigged and living this long, along with my role, reinvigorated me. Moments like this, when the town PRs are almost all dead, is exactly what my role is meant for, and I'm going to be pissed if I get mislynched because people wanted to trust a blatant independent Poisoner (which is what the role is, a poisoner with the ability to motion detect, apparently) and risk it all over that.

My last thoughts are that White is clearly independent poisoner, who might win by poisiong so many people (and might win tonight), and that the scum lies between Praline and Opossum. if it's Opossum, then that means Yellow was poisoned night 2 and simply died night 3. Main suspicion on that is that we had no poison deaths so far and Opossum claimed a doctor when we already had a jailer.

Praline being scum would be one of the coolest "oh ****" moments I've seen in a scum game. If Praline really only turned people into a dragon for a single night, like a role block, then his role should clearly state that, and he would know it.

I'm going to sleep now. At this point I am the town tracker. I don't know who Opossum doc'd, but it'd be useful is Opossum claimed

 

[Maven89]

Frankly, I'm calling in the mods on this one, because they've changed the rules from how we've done it before without telling us already (PM quoting).

Natz~ @Shishœ

Can a mafia player perform an action and a kill on the same night?

You could in the gorf game at least. It's how mafia is normally always played, I don't think I've seen a game where mafia couldn't do that.

 

[vaanrose]

I was trying to protect Yellow not myself.

Hence me getting praline to use the immunity on Yellow which he never did and getting Opo to tell Maven to make me Mafia's kill. Granted I don't know 100% if Opo is Mafia but that was the purpose of tracking him and Maven. Obv someone didn't want that tracking to go through.

Real talk, targeting Yellow is an obvious play whether they knew who he was targeting or not. Why wouldn't you kill the player who can track you killing anyone else?

 

[Maven89]

If Oppo was supposed to tell me something, he never did. Only people to talk to me last night was Vaan and White. White said he would poison me but never did

 

[Ura]

Real talk, targeting Yellow is an obvious play whether they knew who he was targeting or not. Why wouldn't you kill the player who can track you killing anyone else?

Exactly. Hence my comment about that info slipping to Mafia and them killing Yellow before his results came through.

And now they can deny it all they want. It makes me sick to think about.

 

[Maven89]

Wait, didn’t Ura recharge White?

So shouldn’t white have a second motion detector out?

 

[vaanrose]

You could in the gorf game at least. It's how mafia is normally always played, I don't think I've seen a game where mafia couldn't do that.

In Gorf's game only Swamp had a power role. The rest of us were just goons. And Swamp never used the kill.

I don't doubt if that's the way its normally played, but I've been mafia in two NZone games so far and neither time were we allowed to kill and act. We always had to choose which mafia member would not use their power role to instead perform the kill.

 

[Opossum]

Wait, didn’t Ura recharge White?

So shouldn’t white have a second motion detector out?

From what Ura said last night, it's only for powers that can only be used once. It was why he couldn't let me double-doc.

 

[Opossum]

In Gorf's game only Swamp had a power role. The rest of us were just goons. And Swamp never used the kill.

I don't doubt if that's the way its normally played, but I've been mafia in two NZone games so far and neither time were we allowed to kill and act. We always had to choose which mafia member would not use their power role to instead perform the kill.

I mean for what it's worth I usually allow act+kill so long as SOMEONE specifies who's doing the killing (for bomb purposes and whatnot) but YMMV.

 

[Maven89]

From what Ura said last night, it's only for powers that can only be used once. It was why he couldn't let me double-doc.

But he said his motion detector was a single use, and permanent. That should mean he could put out another one, since he used it up

Opossum who did you target last night?

 

[Ura]

From what Ura said last night, it's only for powers that can only be used once. It was why he couldn't let me double-doc.

I could but I omitted that detail because I was under the suspicion (still kinda am) that you were Mafia. It was apart of my bluff to get Mafia to kill me.

I did have that ability and I used it on Yellow in the previous Day phase. I intended for Yellow to track both you and Maven but alas he's gone now.

 

[Ura]

I should also mention that ability is a one-shot and I can't use it again.

 

[vaanrose]

I mean for what it's worth I usually allow act+kill so long as SOMEONE specifies who's doing the killing (for bomb purposes and whatnot) but YMMV.

Again, this is why we need more coherent, established rules.

Mario Mafia would have turned out pretty differently if we could've used an action and a kill. We were never told one way or the other, and in Capcom mafia we were explicitly told we couldn't, so I didn't even bother asking. I figured that's how it always was.

Either way, I want host confirmation.

 

[Opossum]

But he said his motion detector was a single use, and permanent. That should mean he could put out another one, since he used it up

Opossum who did you target last night?

I protected Vaan.

I could but I omitted that detail because I was under the suspicion (still kinda am) that you were Mafia. It was apart of my bluff to get Mafia to kill me.

I did have that ability and I used it on Yellow in the previous Day phase. I intended for Yellow to track both you and Maven but alas he's gone now.

So I could have protected two people and possibly saved Yellow, and you threw that away.

I should also mention that ability is a one-shot and I can't use it again.

Convenient.

 

[Maven89]

I should also mention that ability is a one-shot and I can't use it again.

Didn’t you say you already used it on white?

Does anyone know of you using it on yellow, there than yellow?

 

[vaanrose]

Opossum who did you target last night?

Why's it matter?

 

[Maven89]

Why's it matter?

He never stated and it could be proof of my jail

 

[Ura]

So I could have protected two people and possibly saved Yellow, and you threw that away.

Oh yeah and run the risk of boosting a possible Mafiaso? Yeah i'll take a raincheck.

Convenient.

It's literally the rule for my Boost ability. I used it on someone who I trusted would get the job done.

 

[Opossum]

Oh yeah and run the risk of boosting a possible Mafiaso? Yeah i'll take a raincheck.

It's literally the rule for my Boost ability. I used it on someone who I trusted would get the job done.

It sounds more like you're covering your tracks. Do you have any powers left at all, or are you just a regular townie now?

 

[Ura]

It sounds more like you're covering your tracks. Do you have any powers left at all, or are you just a regular townie now?

Me? Covering my tracks? Yeah, that's pretty funny.

I do. I only have two usages of my recharge ability that I haven't used yet. My boost power is gone.

 

[Wolfie557]

No way yellow was poisoned he had time to complain and they would probbaly say he died of poisoning.

Real talk, targeting Yellow is an obvious play whether they knew who he was targeting or not. Why wouldn't you kill the player who can track you killing anyone else?

Wth that said why haven't I died?

Maybe cos I've told you its one shot unlike yellow and since at first i said I trapped yellow they were not concerned about me seeing actions on him.

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I revealed to vaan I went and trapped maven in reality. So maven might as well be town.

 

[Wolfie557]

If Oppo was supposed to tell me something, he never did. Only people to talk to me last night was Vaan and White. White said he would poison me but never did

Wait did I talk to u.

I'm checking.

 

[Wolfie557]

Oh yh I did I just ask who he was targeting and jokingly threatened poison lmao

 

[vaanrose]

No way yellow was poisoned he had time to complain and they would probbaly say he died of poisoning.

Wth that said why haven't I died?

Maybe cos I've told you its one shot unlike yellow and since at first i said I trapped yellow they were not concerned about me seeing actions on him.

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I revealed to vaan I went and trapped maven in reality. So maven might as well be town.

You only told me it was one-shot because I asked you straight up to use it again. I was trying to keep you from poisoning anybody.

 

[Maven89]

Hey so who did you target last night I was told you did...

Or else ....I might....shoot ya with poison hehehe

 

[Ura]

I wish there could be a double lynch here. Maven and White.

We'd be taking out at least one very likely Mafia and one guy who outright double crossed me, not to mention plays scummy as hell.

 

[vaanrose]

White has asked me to lynch him. He warned me not to let him be nightkilled because then his role wouldn't be revealed.

Despite me being literally his only advocate, he keeps implying I'm the suspicious one or repeatedly voting for me. Because he wants me to turn against him.

You don't all see something fishy with this behavior? Someone desperate enough for the noose they'll ask for it directly and then try to turn their one ally against them to get it? And he uses the poison on the one person whose skill he'd know to be completely true and thus should trust the most?

 

[Ura]

If White just wanted to get killed he should have just asked for a host kill or something instead of doing something so painfully moronic like what he did.

 

[vaanrose]

If White just wanted to get killed he should have just asked for a host kill or something instead of doing something so painfully moronic like what he did.

I'm saying he wants to be lynched.

He very specifically told me it'd be a bad thing if he was killed at night.

Also incase oppo who has a grudge against me convinces you to kill me tonight.

Know that you won't see my roles and alignment when I die. I've only told this to Pokechu then golden as my backup last night. So I'm telling you now since I trust you the most and to defend myself haha.

Therefore if you wanna help town you would wait until the day to lynch me. This passive skill is inactive during the day. I hate the sun.

In fact if you can do me a favour push me for a lynch tomoz if you don't know who. If I resist A LOT it means I still wanna play but push me anyway.

 

[Ura]

Well couldn't he ask for the hostkill in the Day phase?

Which is why double lynching Maven and White is the best solution. Gives White what he wants and doesn't give Mafia the opportunity to outnumber town.

 

[vaanrose]

Well couldn't he ask for the hostkill in the Day phase?

Which is why double lynching Maven and White is the best solution. Gives White what he wants and doesn't give Mafia the opportunity to outnumber town.

One third party role is the Fool.

Their win condition is to get lynched.

 

[Ura]

I legit never heard about that.

If that's the case then I can understand why White did what he did. To get us to hate him and lynch him.

So with that in mind I don't want White to get lynched. His poison is effectively useless now with praline and Vaan being immune so just let him be.

 

[Maven89]

A jester poisoner is a horrible design choice because it punishes town for playing well

If that’s really the case I’m pissed